My friend complained about LFS and he can't be arsed to post the complaints himself so I'll post for him. These complaints has nothing to do with me. Give some constructive comments, he believes there are fanboys here who just attacks back without proper feedback.

(This is my translation from finnish to english so there might be some errors)
So.....

1st: ABS. The car just keeps going on while pressing the gas and brake at the same time in high speed.

2nd: XRT's boost pressures. It takes 0,8bar @ 6000rpm e.g in first gear, the turbo doesn't give pressure early enough.
Really the car tires would just spin through the whole 1st gear if it gave pressure. Also in 1st and 2nd gear the pressures would be higher because it didn't close the wastegate in time. It feels like the car doesn't get boost pressure.

To add, the tires starts spinning if you turn the car like 1millimetre but if you keep it straight, nothing happens.

3rd: Sense of speed. Too slow.


That might be all of it.. Remember, constructive feedback, please.

Quote from Tomba(FIN) :

My friend complained about LFS and he can't be arsed to post the complaints himself so I'll post for him.

You shouldn't have bothered, really.

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Remember, constructive feedback, please.

Constructive feedback is only available in response to constructive improvement suggestions. This random bunch of complaints doesn't exactly fulfil that requirement.

Yeah but is he wrong/right/wth about the XRT's pressures? I've been trying to explain him that there is nothing wrong with LFS but I'm out of answers because he knows quite a shitload more about cars than me. Yes he is an adult and owns a car and actually repairs them so I can't believe that he is making pointless complaiments. But I can't really say anything.

Quote from AndroidXP :

You shouldn't have bothered, really.

Constructive feedback is only available in response to constructive improvement suggestions. This random bunch of complaints doesn't exactly fulfil that requirement.

Stupid fanboy...

He is pretty right, i also found theses "bugs", abs is just default setup mistake? (more braking power)

That boost system sucks ass, "boost" i mean...

That why i drive irl or Forza 3.

Quote from puliukk0 :

Stupid fanboy...

AndroidXP posts graphs and shit. Proper graphs with data and stuff like that. I mean, like, maths and stuff. I've no idea what any of it means but bloody hell I bet it's clever.

Bit more valuable than a grumble about the way the turbo on the XRT doesn't feel right, especially when that's been posted numerous times over the years.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

AndroidXP posts graphs and shit. Proper graphs with data and stuff like that. I mean, like, maths and stuff. I've no idea what any of it means but bloody hell I bet it's clever.

Sounds like an Armstrong and Miller pilot...

Quote from thisnameistaken :

AndroidXP posts graphs and shit. Proper graphs with data and stuff like that.

Yo, graphs 'n shit is my business, dude!

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I mean, like, maths and stuff.

Wait, actually it isn't. I guarantee my graphs involve no mathematics whatsoever (at least not from me!) since I'm a complete failure when it comes to maths.

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I've no idea what any of it means but bloody hell I bet it's clever.

Heh, not so sure about the latter part.


But seriously, I'm just sick of seeing the same effortless moaning / complaints repeated over and over. Everybody knows that LFS does not simulate every aspect of racing correctly (heck even the arguably best one - physics - is bad enough that Scawen decided it needs a complete overhaul); any "improvement suggestions" consisting solely of pointing that out are worthless.

Quote from Tomba(FIN) :

2nd: XRT's boost pressures. It takes 0,8bar @ 6000rpm e.g in first gear, the turbo doesn't give pressure early enough.
Really the car tires would just spin through the whole 1st gear if it gave pressure. Also in 1st and 2nd gear the pressures would be higher because it didn't close the wastegate in time. It feels like the car doesn't get boost pressure.

i dont know what back yard turbo shit box's ur mate drives or works on but in EVERY turbo car i have been in or driven u cant get close to full boost in first at ALL even a pulsar GTI-R running 18 psi 4WD couldnt hit full boost in first only managed around 12 psi with 4 wheels spining.

most turbo cars will achive max boost in 3rd 4th 5th gear (manuals) due to engine load and alot of other things.

tell ur friend to spend a few years driving turbo'ed cars and replacing them tuning ECU's power curves and eletronic boost controlers and then come back and see if he still thinks this

the boost in lfs is alot better now then it used to be

Thanks, this is the feedback that I wanted

Quote from MAD3.0LT :

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most turbo cars will achive max boost in 3rd 4th 5th gear (manuals) due to engine load and alot of other things.
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My car (see avatar) can reach full boost (0,8 bar) in second gear if I push it enough but my turbo spools a little faster than stock. Stock turbos in Starions reach full boost quite slowly(narrow and widebody) and XRT is partly based on widebody Starions. Widebody Starions protect the gearbox by not letting turbo pressure to build up fully before 4000 RPM.

Sorry im "bit" drunk, but i have (sh*tty?) Escort RST (200bhp) and i have 1 bar all gears. First and second burn rubber but whatever...

My mates ex 200sx (and size of hx50 turbo) got 1.2 first and second gear and 3-5th gears 1bar. Setup was 1bar. Also it burn rubber at 3rd gear easily etc...

My friends got some, drift spec R33 GTST, Audi S4, Ibiza FR's, Cosworth's etc and some na cars (e39 M5, Z3 M, rally cars etc). Many other cars also.

You can get in neutral full boost in lc.
You can get in 1st and 2nd gear full boost, so whats that problem?
You can get nicely tuned turbo engine, but it also goes well in city.
All you need is nice setup, good turbo etc.

Btw, SR engines are bit laggy/hi revving...

I dont wanna say that lfs sucks or something. Its good, but many game is catching that "lead". Just telling my opinion...

Quote from tristancliffe :

Sounds like an Armstrong and Miller pilot...

It's these cheap parachutes man. They're the sort of parachutes your mum would buy you at the market if you were a gypsy or some shit like that. If your mum bought you a gay parachute like this you'd be taken into care.

"Isn't it though"

"I bought some really nice trousers in Camden. They is well hardcore, with all pockets and shit."

Quote from Tomba(FIN) :

3rd: Sense of speed. Too slow.

How do you actually suggest this be improved? Make the car go 200mph when the speedo says 100?

Try playing with the FOV settings.

This is a failure of a thread that should have remained hiding in the depths of the web, but I'm bored at the moment.

Turbo pressure and them all silly complains: What gear ratios are you using?
Sense of speed: Yes it's a game! As suggested change FOV, you can achieve good results with the latest patch addition (3 or more virtual screens, angled, on your single monitor)
Spinning tyres and such: Using a locked diff aren't you?

Try Bob Smith road going setup, increase overall stiffness a little bit and report back.

Quote from puliukk0 :

Sorry im "bit" drunk, but i have (sh*tty?) Escort RST (200bhp) and i have 1 bar all gears. First and second burn rubber but whatever...

My mates ex 200sx (and size of hx50 turbo) got 1.2 first and second gear and 3-5th gears 1bar. Setup was 1bar. Also it burn rubber at 3rd gear easily etc...

My friends got some, drift spec R33 GTST, Audi S4, Ibiza FR's, Cosworth's etc and some na cars (e39 M5, Z3 M, rally cars etc). Many other cars also.

You can get in neutral full boost in lc.
You can get in 1st and 2nd gear full boost, so whats that problem?
You can get nicely tuned turbo engine, but it also goes well in city.
All you need is nice setup, good turbo etc.

Btw, SR engines are bit laggy/hi revving...

I dont wanna say that lfs sucks or something. Its good, but many game is catching that "lead". Just telling my opinion...

so ur friends car was boost spiking what kinda controler was if it was acuator controled was it internaly gated or externaly?

my car used to spike with a old boost controler that was shit it was to slow and would spike 4 psi over thats 18 psi while spining the tyres

both my car and my brothers car (mine RB30ET) (his RB25DET) wont hit full boost in 1st mine cant hit full boost in 2nd his can with 265's but our tq curves are stupidly differnt i got about 300 RWHP 5800 RPM and 550NM of tq 4500 RPM on 14 psi he has about 400 RWHP 6900 RPM and 470 nm of tq 5800 RPM 14 psi. I run a custom boost controler bleed valve, he runs a power FC and AVCR on a HKS-GTRS

it comes down to so many things but im a little scared of a 200sx hitting that boost in first gear (on the limiter?) (nos?)

what was the turbo AR/trim?

Quote from Mille Sabords :

This is a failure of a thread that should have remained hiding in the depths of the web, but I'm bored at the moment.

Turbo pressure and them all silly complains: What gear ratios are you using?
Sense of speed: Yes it's a game! As suggested change FOV, you can achieve good results with the latest patch addition (3 or more virtual screens, angled, on your single monitor)
Spinning tyres and such: Using a locked diff aren't you?

Try Bob Smith road going setup, increase overall stiffness a little bit and report back.

You are a failure. All except you have actually answered the way I wanted. So full of guys like you. And to add, I shouldn't be bothered to comment here at all, as this isn't "my" thread even I made it.
Shut up and let others discuss. And btw, the turbo is actually all wrong, so what the **** are you on about?

Please remain courteous in your answers, resorting to swearing / insulting does not convey your messages any better and alters your reputation around here.

I was suggesting that you isolate the different parameters first before going into the turbo model issues.
Namely:
Setup issues (gearing, diff, suspension)
Tyres (pressure, grip - read some enlightening posts by AndroidXP, Bob Smith, BBT... even Scawen admitt implicitly that there are isseu by rewoking the whloe system)
Game limitations (grip of the road surface, car rigidity...)

It seems to me that the turbo model inaccuracy is only a minor shortcoming overall, within this work in progress.

Keep smiling!

Quote from Tomba(FIN) :

You are a failure. All except you have actually answered the way I wanted. So full of guys like you. And to add, I shouldn't be bothered to comment here at all, as this isn't "my" thread even I made it.
Shut up and let others discuss. And btw, the turbo is actually all wrong, so what the **** are you on about?

Are you serious?

He is actually almost the only poster making suggestions on how to improve those "complaiments".

well, a friend of mine has this itching between his legs because he did that cheap hooker last night when I... I mean he was drunk...

Quote from Mille Sabords :

Keep smiling!

Will do Can't be arsed to read your post, too long for me