It occurs to me that a worthwhile addition to the LFS garage would be a CHAMP car or INDY CAR. We have,after all an oval track already to race them on. From the developer's point of view it might more racers from the U.S.A to join the LFS community.
Champ Car?
We already have 3 single seater cars, which is perfectly fine. We don't need another similar one to be drivin around the stupid oval 24/7.
Can't see the need for another modern single seater, maybe some 1930's to 1960's GP cars would be nice though. Indy/Champ cars have been suggested before I think, probably in the correct forum as well 
can't see any reason for sarcasm mr. batterypark
To be honest, they are right, we don't exactly need a Champ Car... besides, they aren't any different than our FO8 or BF1... we have enough single seaters.
If you want to attract US drivers, you'd need a Nascar, Dragster, and to really attract them... some very old classic muscle cars with lots of beef. That would bring in lots of interest from around here. But it not being any official licensed Nascar stuff, and the fact that what we would have would probably be a fantasy Nascar stock car, it wouldn't be all that interesting. But fun I guess.
If you want to attract US drivers, you'd need a Nascar, Dragster, and to really attract them... some very old classic muscle cars with lots of beef. That would bring in lots of interest from around here. But it not being any official licensed Nascar stuff, and the fact that what we would have would probably be a fantasy Nascar stock car, it wouldn't be all that interesting. But fun I guess.
I would have a Plymouth Superbird clone, call it a Portsmouth or something like that, and have a stock car version of THAT
You think one car could attract all americans here? If we had something like a Indy or Nascar car they would want 37 different kind of ovals, lets not just go there okay?
lol
And Americans are a bad thing.?
illepall
illepall What is the deal with ovals anyway? How challenging is it to keep the throttle bolted down and keep the steering one way? Is that kind of challenge giving any driver ANY satisfaction? "Yeah i took that turn really gracefuly" ?
If you want more Americans it's easy, just model a f150 ute with a shotgun on the rack & a can of bud on the dashboard.
The pro's can have a set of steer horns on the bonnet
The pro's can have a set of steer horns on the bonnet
Oval racing is challenging. Anyone who thinks otherwise is NOT a true racefan as far as I am concerned. Of course, having said that, The average oval is easier to drive than a road course by yourself, but add in a full field and it becomes every bit as challenging, and possibly even more difficult because of the close quaters, and more cars in closer proximity.
I am not a NASCAR fan though.. Too commercial and too many damn drama queens. Saturday night stockers and modifieds are sweet tho
While I'm not an American, so my opinion doesn't count in this case, I'd rather take an MGD in a bottle. Bud sucks! (of course, if you're going to put a GOOD beer on the dashboard, it's gotta be a Canadian beer. Alexander Keith's for the win!
)OK - Make the can skinable
The challenge is to go one tenth of a second faster than the next fastest driver, and this is difficult.
Regarding champ cars, they don't run high speed ovals any more, almost all road and street courses these days (maybe 2 medium speed ovals). I don't think they have two types of noses or wings anymore (one used for high speed ovals, the other for road courses). Indy Racing League and Nascar are the only cars running high speed ovals any more.
Regarding Indy cars, they only race ovals, and except for Indinaoplis 500, there's virtually no televised coverage on a network station of Indy car events anymore, only on cable stations. Part of this is due to the increase in popularity of cable and satellite usage though.
Back in the days when there was just CART, the cars were going very fast. At California Speedway, the top 3 qualifiers had average lap speeds over 240mph (386kmh), and were reaching 265mph (426kmh) at the end of the straights. Paul Tracy recorded a trap speed of 257mph (414kmh) during a race at the Michigan 500. At these speeds, ovals are challenging.
Since the split between IRL and Champ cars, open wheel racing in the USA has lost a lot of the viewing audience, while Nascar has picked up quite a bit.
I don't think there's much you can do to significantly increase USA interest beyond what's already been done, which is include faster cars (assuming LFS doesn't plan on adding scantily clad umbrella girls to the game).
Personally, I've lost interest in online racing, as there are so many good games (racing and otherwise), that I don't have the time to spend mothns with just one game. I started online racing back in 1999 with NFS4 - High Stakes. I continued with the NFS series, during this time, I got Grand Prix Legends, and spent 7 out of 9 months mostly with GPL to get my GPL Rank negative. I went online a few times with GPL, but unless you join a league, the racing isn't very close, as the skill levels are very wide with GPL. I got F1C99-02 and NR2003. I tried NR2003 online for a couple of months, but at 30+ minutes per race, it was just taking too much time so I quit. I also ran LFS S1 online, but not S2. I played NFS8 - Underground 2 long enough to get "elite" in all modes, but when NFS9 - Most Wanted was released, I had quit racing online completely.
I like racing games, but my favorite games have been the Tombraider series, mostly because the main character has so many moves, and the exploring part of the game with large landscapes is interesting to me, so I'm not a true racing simulation fan.
I wonder what the future of PC based gaming, racing and non-racing will be, with all the competition from consoles. By the time S3 is released, what will the competition in other racing games be like?
Look... any timed activity can be a challenge when people start taking part... you can make a timed apple peeling contest and people will start developing techniques, do practice, etc... but it is still apple peeling. How gratifying can it be? Maybe for fun...
Those who enjoy oval racing are shallow people.
The king is naked.
There, i said it.
Those who enjoy oval racing are shallow people.
The king is naked.
There, i said it.
Dude.. seriously, that's not cool. I know some pretty close-minded people, but honestly....
shallow? how so, you should see how much the IRL guys and NASCAR guys and everyone else.. you should see how LONG they work on those cars.. the newest IRL guy some guy, dont know his name who is 23 now crashed his car during practice the other day, and his team didnt have any spare parts so they went around to other teams asking for parts and the team stayed up all last night creating the destroyed car from scratch to race... just to get 33rd spot.. at least
and the nascar guys .. speak about the spectators, but the teams work hard long hours trying to make it or break it..
im all for another car to stick on the oval, im not an ovaler, but i still think the ovalers deserve some type of car that should go on there.. including an indy car and nascar type car
and the nascar guys .. speak about the spectators, but the teams work hard long hours trying to make it or break it..
im all for another car to stick on the oval, im not an ovaler, but i still think the ovalers deserve some type of car that should go on there.. including an indy car and nascar type car
i've enjoyed some great oval racing in nr2003.
haha :up:
I am not a NASCAR fan but do watch it sometimes. I think the trouble is you have no idea what you are talking about. When loads of cars are doing 200mph bumper to bumper it will never be easy. A small mistake that means you get loose is enough to cause a huge pileup.
There is loads of racing and passing and a huge amount of strategy in every race. To think otherwise is very shallow of you.
I would say pick up a copy of NR2003 and give it a try. You might find it takes the same amount of skill keeping the cars on the edge as any other form of motor sport.
Oval racing is fun and definitely not just a floor-it-and-go kind of motorsport. There are different tactics, lines, setups etc just as there are in circuit racing. However on your average LFS public server it's plain to see that many people don't really have a clue how to go about it safely. A lot of people seem to think that normal racing rules don't apply at all, i.e. there's no such thing as allowing racing room, no such thing as driver courtesy or racecraft, you can pass wherever and whenever you want regardless of whether its actually a good idea, etc.. they treat it like some street drag where all you do is floor it. If racers at public ovals could behave like people (mostly) do on circuits and show some respect for their opponents it'd be a lot more pleasurable, and much less frustrating, to hop into an oval server now and then.
As for the CART style car, I'm not sure if it's warranted, considering there's already two high-powered open-wheelers available and more than enough oval carnage happening with them at this point.
I reckon racing UF1s at the oval rules anyway. Horsepower's overrated
As for the CART style car, I'm not sure if it's warranted, considering there's already two high-powered open-wheelers available and more than enough oval carnage happening with them at this point.
I reckon racing UF1s at the oval rules anyway. Horsepower's overrated
I could start a discussion about the philosophical nature of these issues, about whether ther is any point in going round and round and how even apple peeling can have lots of strategy and be risky etc... but i have just this question:
How do you measure "strategy" ? By volume?
huge amount isnt always related to volume buddy..
if you would like.. i can look up the definition for you...
if you would like.. i can look up the definition for you...
Nah, let him Wiki it
Look up what exactly, on Wiki? The definition of strategy? Being a greek word, and me being greek i already know more about the word, the meaning, it's etymology and its significance than you, except if you are a literature or history major. How it is measured? No way one can find info about that on wiki, strategy is not quantifiable.
I am still waiting. How do you measure "strategy"? You said "huge amounts of strategy", therefore you have a means of not only measuring "strategy" (as if it were quantifiable) but also of comparing different amounts of "strategy".
I still think that NR is shallow. If not absolutely, then at least relative to racing that has both left and right turns. I've watched nascar, i understand the risks... doesn't differ too much from running in a straight line for a predetermined distance.
I am going to create my own, new, sport: reverse racing: you have to race, in reverse. Let's see, will you say that it, too, has lots of strategy, or will you understand that, yes, these are pointless things?
I am still waiting. How do you measure "strategy"? You said "huge amounts of strategy", therefore you have a means of not only measuring "strategy" (as if it were quantifiable) but also of comparing different amounts of "strategy".
I still think that NR is shallow. If not absolutely, then at least relative to racing that has both left and right turns. I've watched nascar, i understand the risks... doesn't differ too much from running in a straight line for a predetermined distance.
I am going to create my own, new, sport: reverse racing: you have to race, in reverse. Let's see, will you say that it, too, has lots of strategy, or will you understand that, yes, these are pointless things?
Champ Car?
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