I've been practicing the tracks and for example got my Blackwood time down to 1.12, which lets me keep up. Driving round on your own is no good though, I thought I'd use the AI to practice racing skills but they seem to hit me a lot. Are they that stupid or am I doing it wrong? I've noticed they crash into each other without me there so I'm leaning towards the first option. Obviously sometimes it's mistakes but often they just seem to ignore my being in the way.

They are stupid and incomplete at the moment.

They are being worked on.



Heading online is a better alternative though, just be courteous and you'll get the experience.

1.12 with what car? i'm guessing you mean the fxogtr...


i'd reccomend getting good with a slower car 1st like the gti... just like i reccomend people drive the f08 or fox before the bf1... but nobody ever listens

It's the FXR, yes. I just like it. I can't drive the BF1 properly yet.

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They are stupid and incomplete at the moment.

They are being worked on.



Heading online is a better alternative though, just be courteous and you'll get the experience.

I try but it's embarrassing being the only one who can't do it... Driving fast and racing are quite different.

Go online anyway, the faster you learn the less time you spend embarrassed Besides, being embarrassed is being a bit paranoid. Other drivers will hopefully be concentrating on their own driving instead of picking on you

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I try but it's embarrassing being the only one who can't do it... Driving fast and racing are quite different.

Not to mention, those that have now read the above statement and this thread will surely remember you when you enter the servers. I'm sure you'll get your fair share of help from this great community. If you have any questions online, just don't hesitate to ask. Just hesitate long enough for the current race to be over. Once you're online though, you will improve 100 times faster seeing the fast guys ahead of you than you will having the AI run you off.

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will surely remember you

People do, I find. It's a shame it's not in a more positive way. Still, I'll have to now, won't I? I wonder if the missus will accept it as an excuse for hours on-line?

I've found everyone online is super helpful sending setups and giving tips on the best lines and stuff... so thanks to you all guys! you make a beginner's life that little bit easier...

MP games: OMG! STFU NOOB! etc., etc.

LFS: I think you'd do much better if you tried this...

I like this game.


Must sleep. Maybe just one more lap first...

I've only ever done a 1:12 at Blackwood. Mind you I havn't been back there since I was new to the game, but I doubt I would beat it by much even now.

You dont have to be fast to be quick.

That's the thing. It seems to me that getting round the track fast is one thing, that's a start but to race you have to do it whilst passing. That's much harder. Doing it without getting in the way, without hitting people, without taking stupid risks is another. I know there's no real risk but I think it's much more fun once you can join in properly and make a positive contribution to the atmosphere. That's why I want to get better. It's also much better for your ego if it wasn't too easy to beat you.

That was me last night in Westhill with you (NightHawk, see in the signature). You may want to try driving with the mouse rather than the joystick like you said you were using. I think you may get a bit better steering control using the mouse. I don't know how you were throttling and braking using the joystick, but the biggest downfall to using mouse is having strickly an on/off throttle and brake.

There is alot more mouse/keyboard drivers out there than joystick drivers. You may get some good help with setup if you switched to mouse. Of course, ideally, you'd want a wheel. A wheel gives you very precise control of steering and pedals (obviously) and makes it much easier to "race" with others.

Track awareness, or racecraft as others call it, is very important when you start to get involved with closer racing. This is knowing where your opponent is at all times without needing to hunt for him when he moves out of your view. Gaining experience and track layout knowledge is the key so that you can look away from the track left/right without loosing your focus of driving your racing line. It all comes down to knowing the tracks real well and experience.

Sorry I couldn't help ya out any more than I did last night. I never drive that car, and I have no idea on how to setup for joystick driving. I pulled out in the FXR those few times, but being an FZR fan, I was clueless on how to fix up the setup to help you out, LOL. Out of almost 6000 laps in LFS, I think I have only 10-15 of those in the FXR.

I thought it was you. Thanks, you helped a lot.

I have steering on the X-axis, throttle and brake on the Y-axis. Every time I change anything it all goes haywire but maybe I should sort out what's best now before I get too used to it. I'll try the mouse thing.

I had a go in the GTI too, my Blackwood time drops to 1:42 then. Still some learning to do then...

Well, decisions get made for you... the plan was pass the exam, get MCSE, get a job, buy 7900GTS. Now it's the same but I also buy a wheel to replace my broken joystick.

Meh, skip the gfx card and lower your res. I play at 800x600 on a TV, which means a geforce 5200 is perfectly powerful enough...:P

TV looks good at low res. My 19 incher (I don't get to say that often ) makes low res look awful.

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I thought it was you. Thanks, you helped a lot.

I have steering on the X-axis, throttle and brake on the Y-axis. Every time I change anything it all goes haywire but maybe I should sort out what's best now before I get too used to it. I'll try the mouse thing.

I had a go in the GTI too, my Blackwood time drops to 1:42 then. Still some learning to do then...

There is the slight problem with joysticks. If you are full throttle, the joystick is as far forward ps possible, but if you go found a bend, the joystick moves left or right and isnt as far forwards as possible. Obviously means at time when you could be full throttle you wont be. Will obviously cost time, how much though i dont know.

It is said all the time on this forum - You shuld get a wheel. It is over said and i didnt really believe it would make that much difference but it does.

I noticed that - it also tends to pull to one side when you brake. The joystick eventually developed a twitch, so that as you brought it back to centre after the corner it would suddenly jump from full lock to full lock, very fast. Not good.

I'm looking at something like this

Not much good for flying a plane though.

IReallyHateBureaucracy, if those 3 wheels are the only ones you've looked at or seen, then buy the one in the middle, the Momo. The other 2 are just toys compared to the Momo. The 2 most popular are Momo and Driving Force Pro (I underline Pro because there is a just Driving Force, which is just a toy compared to those 2). Both Momo and DFP give you more precise steering and feedback compared with others.

And if you're into flight simming as well, then you really need dedicated controllers for the 2 different sims. Pick up another joystick as well.

I should have picked a shorter name. I was filling in the form and I tried a few things which were all taken, then found my form-filling threshhold, which isn't very high, I'll admit. Given the choice, I'd rather poke myself in the eye with a stick than fill in a form.

I think I'll go this way

http://www.logitech.com/index. ... ,CRID=2217,CONTENTID=6030

rather than this

http://www.logitech.com/index. ... CRID=2250,CONTENTID=11097

I just don't like the DFP's looks.

Ive got a dfp but never tried a momo so cant talk about it. It seems the community is (mainly) split between the dfp and momo for good wheels.
I all comes down to personal preference really and which you prefer is the one you should get.

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I just don't like the DFP's looks.

Hi, IRHB, nice to meet you, welcome to LFS etc.

Just wanted to note that the above is a regrettable reason to favour one wheel over another. I am not a DFP owner but I know that the many people who recommend the DFP are doing it based on its superiority as a subtle control input device, rather than any perception that it looks cool. Wheels are not all created equal, I assure you.

Buy the DFP and re-skin your onscreen wheel if looks matter.

imo its just a great experience having to turn the wheel a realistic ammount. the adjustable steering lock is great (via ffb)

i'm really looking forward to the g25. imo you should start saving up for that its alot better than the dfp. and miles ahead of the momo

If all wheels were the same then appearance would be a valid basis for preference. I'm getting the impression they're not. Once I buy a wheel I'll most likely turn off the screen wheel.

The DFP is more sensitive than the MOMO then? I looked in the 'wheels' forum but didn't get a clear impression, other than that people ask the question a lot. Objective evidence is hard to come by. I imagine someone will now direct me to the post I was looking for. :rolleyes:

At the moment the UK selection at Logitech doesn't include the G25. I'll write to them, I'm sure some lying scumbag - sorry, salesperson will be happy to send me loads of blurb.