I am looking for a laptop and i have been looking around the past 2 weeks, but i still have got some questions where im not 100% sure about.

First of all my budget is around the 1000 euro, maybe 1100 hopefully 900 euro

Why do i need a new laptop:
my battery only last 10 min
i can't play dirt 2 and games like that.

What do i have now for laptop:
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch ... o-vgn-fz31m.html#tab:info

The New Laptop Must Have:

And Hopefully my new Laptop will have:

as you can see my wish list is pretty easy but, the problem that i am facing is the new Core i5 , Core i7. What is good and what is bad.

Basically i have found some laptops that looks allright, but because i am not having a 1700 euro butget i can not get the best of the best. so i will need to make some chooses. do i need a Core i5 with good GPU or a Core i7 with a not that good GPU ?

some examples ( if you find more , feel free)
ASUS N71JQ-TY002X (i7 ,but a Radeon Mobility HD5730)
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch ... 71jq-ty002x.html#tab:info

ASUS G60JX-JX032V( Core i5 430M, GTX 360M)
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch ... 60jx-jx032v.html#tab:info

SONY VPC-F11M1E/H (Core i5 520M , GT 330M)
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch ... pc-f11m1e-h.html#tab:info

Anybody can help me with this problem, or just got some more information ?

We want to look primarily at GPU. The 360M will prevail over the 5730. By how much? Well, you get probably double the memory bandwidth (both on 128 bits, the former on GDDR5 and the latter on GDD3 - clocks are probably similar), and you get around 17% more theoretical SPs on the 360M. You'd therefore get a similar increase in processing output. In addition, the 360M with nVidia has better drivers, and you have CUDA, PhysX, and all that sweet candy.

To be honest, I doubt the CPUs will affect you that much in terms of gaming. I run a E2180 @ 3GHz with a 5770. This setup will kill a E8400 @ 4 GHz or even a Ci7 with a 8600GT. You can play games with a subpar CPU but you will be more limited with a subpar GPU. Anyways, the Ci7 and i5s don't have that much difference. The lack of cache here or there, but you can easily make that up with overclocking. That is harder to be said with a GPU. If you want high resolution, the GPU is a definite advantage. That extra bandwidth will be the world. You may be in the 768, 1050, 1080 area... should be fine... =)

GenesisX

EDIT: You can compare it to a GTX360M being a 8800GT and a 5730 being a 4670. I believe its a difference of about 10 - 20ish% with a similar setup. You however will have a crappier CPU on the 360... so... you can look at other stuff. Monitor size/res, keyboard size, HD size, HD speed, aesthetics, external connections (HDMI, VGA? #USB?), prepacked OS, RAM, ventilation, warranties, brand names, are all good things to look at.

I'd check out the new MSI range of gaming laptops too.....

I'll take a look what's out there.... I'll also mentionit to Niels in RSR who was recently looking and lives in Holland...

Oke here goes :

[url="[url]http://www.laptopshop.nl/product/88884/asus-g60jx-jx032v.html[/url]"]Asus G60JX[/url]

[url="http://www.laptopshop.nl/product/86175/hp-pavilion-dv7-3160ed.html"]HP Pavilion DV7[/url]

[url="http://www.laptopshop.nl/product/88970/toshiba-qosmio-f60-10m-azerty.html"]Toshiba Qosmio[/url]

I think these will fit in nicely.
Good luck to find a new one.

Gaming and Laptop don't really go together. Most gaming laptops don't last even one hour when playing a game and the extra price you pay compared to a normal pc is pretty steep.

I decided to get a not too expensive MSI http://www.azerty.nl/1-1237-24 ... -radeon-hd-4670-giga.html

It actuallly runs rFactor a lot better than I thought, which is a bonus, 11500 3dmark 2005 and 2.3ghz 'turbo' setting. I found that while there are much faster laptops, the 3dmark gain vs price increase wasn't favourable. It also has a 1680x1050 screen which I greatly prefer over the usual 1280x800 or 1366x768.. Vertical scrolling gets really annoying on those.

First of all thanks everybody with the comments!

am i correct saying that when we are talking laptops, that the GPU is more limiting the gaming then the CPU ?

If so then the ASUS (with gts360m) looks like the best deal or not ?

@niels1, have you allready got the laptop where stable is talking about :P?
ifso what type ?

Yes I bought one. But I didnt needed a gaming laptop.
I needed a laptop were battery duration was the key.
I use it for work to order parts and seeing exploded views.
So mine was around 600 euro`s but suites me perfectly.

I would say the Asus looks bloody nice.
A fine piece of machinerie.

Quote from niels1 :

Yes I bought one. But I didnt needed a gaming laptop.
I needed a laptop were battery duration was the key.
I use it for work to order parts and seeing exploded views.
So mine was around 600 euro`s but suites me perfectly.

I would say the Asus looks bloody nice.
A fine piece of machinerie.

Ah okey , yeah think so too :P

If you want a gaming laptop, buy a gaming laptop, which means: forget Vaio, HP, Dell, etc and buy a laptop designed for gaming.
Also forget about playing using the battery. If you have a decent hardware, it needs too much power, so gaming for more than 45 minutes is kinda hard. Besides, usually graphics cards are underclocked when using battery.

I got a MSI GT627 (Core2Quad Q9000, 4GB DDR800, 9800GTS 1024mb, 320GB 7200rm, Bluray, HDMI, 15.4" 1680x1050, etc) and quite happy with it. They main use is design (2D and 3D) but I also play sometimes. I'm used to have nice desktop computers and play with everything maxed out, and that's something I still can do with my laptop with the games I've tried: Dirt 2, Operation Flashpoint 2, Call of Duty MW2, GTA IV and many others. The score in 3DMark06 is 9700+. I personally always have the laptop on a table at home, just like if it were a desktop pc. I only use the portability when I need to take it to the school, but for the rest of the time, on a table pluged to the wall is the better way to have it. The battery is supposed to last around 2,5 hours, but don't ask me if it's true because I've barely used it.

So from my point of view, go for Asus, MSI, Sager, Deviltech, Kobalt or Cizmo, those are designed for gaming.

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Anyways, the Ci7 and i5s don't have that much difference. The lack of cache here or there, but you can easily make that up with overclocking.

you forgot about the lack of hyperthreading. plus, the mobile i5's only have two CPU's, whereas the i7's have four. also, the mobile i5's only have half the cache of the i7's, so that's a little more than "a little".

Quote from NitroNitrous :

If you want a gaming laptop, buy a gaming laptop, which means: forget Vaio, HP, Dell, etc and buy a laptop designed for gaming.

dell did have some kickass gaming laptops last year, i imagine they're still selling them... only problem is, they're god awful expensive.

I stand mistaken... Oooh, yeah... Sorry. But actually, I just checked Intel's website. It's not 2 threads (2 cores) vs 8 threads (4cores) as in the i5 vs i7, but in fact it is 4 threads (2 cores) vs 8 threads (4 cores). Yes; the cache is split in half. The difference isn't small, but isn't detrimental.

Regardless, the impact of a GPU in gaming is usually higher (depends on game) than a CPU. At this level though, it is usually GPU. All the games that can't be played right now are all because GPUs don't have the firepower to pump out the picture on your monitor. Hey, you can FOLD better on a nVidia card anyways =P