Lucas Ordonez, last year's GT Academy winner driving on Nurburgring in the Tuned 370Z I think. Nice,the sounds are audible and sound pretty good
He lost control twice as well
I typed this on another fourm - but I thought it's relevant here too
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I play all the major PC racing sims too and I think the GT5 Time trial compares well, and better the PC games in a few areas physics wise and loses out in some areas. But if you consider where PD has come from and where GT4 was, it's progressive
Physics in each game takes a while to get used to, but once you do they suddenly feel a certain smilarity for a funny reason, when it felt so alien when you first played it
Even in all these PC games they all feel different, so who is to say which is correct? I mean none of them really feel like real life.
I played GTR Evolution a fair bit a few weeks back, it feels pretty arcadey and simple compared to the GT5 Time trial so I'll leave it out. R-Factor has the same basic physics engine as it, and I'm not dedicated enough, hardcore and drawn to it enough to go fiddling under the bonnet like I would when it comes to modding other PC FPS and strategy games I love.
NetKar Pro feels very good, right up there with my best, but the cars are hard to relate too and I haven't played it in a few months so I'll leave it out
Now I have played LFS, iRacing and the GT5 Time Trial long enough to get a feel for each, and a week ago I played all 3 back to back.
LFS feels like the odd one out. iRacing and the GT5 TT feel pretty similar with a few differences
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Overall the reason why I like the GT5 Time trial the most, because it's the only game that gets me into the zone, locked into the screen like I did when I was churning out laps for 2-3 hour stints, where I really feel like I'm driving a car, banging up through the gears, the engine screaming, steering the car around. And I have good control and connection to the car.
I get that a bit in LFS, especially online. I haven't so far in iRacing, and I've done quite a few official Time Trail events, qualifying sessions and races. The steering feel and force feedback is the best of the bunch, so I don't know why, but something is not right. I never really feel like I'm fully in control of the car or it has much weight. The way it looks, the way it sounds and how it controls plays a part I guess. And the cars you get to drive, or lack of. I really like the debris and smoke effects they added recently though, much like what we have seen in GT5. It really adds to the feeling when you race - eye candy like this makes a difference for all the naysayers out there who poo poo eye candy....
The GT5 TT also seems to be the only game where the rate you apply the throttle makes a big difference, not just how much. It matters a little in iRacing, but not to the same degree. In LFS it doesn't seem to matter wether you mash the pedal quickly or wether you ease into it.
There is not only slip angles, but slip curves to work with.
At first I hated this and it felt alien, and I couldn't figure out why the car was losing control , but like I said before once you get used to the physics it feels second nature and I can read what the car is doing and make it dance.
As far as force feedback goes, you can turn off centre spring force, to make the PC games function like they should but you can't in the GT5 TT, so your stuck with good weight transfer effects (feels exactly like iRacing) and a few bumps, but everything else seems to be masked by the centering force. If you turn the FF up, you just get more centring force.
I can feel a bit of the natural wheel positioning when you over steer, but it's nowhere like as strong in LFS. Maybe LFS is exaggerated though. iRacing is somewhere between the 2.
Most PC games have canned FF to communicate grip, engine vibration, braking and other stuff etc, but a real life car doesn't work like that. You get that with the seat of pants feeling. iRacing has more realistic steering and FF effects, like a real car.
So GT5 TT is more inline with that, but feels somewhat vague and lacking some stuff. I can see the bumps in the cockpit, but I can't feel all those high frequency bumps like in iRacing, except for the major ones and going over curbs etc.
You can feel ABS pulsing in LFS through the wheel, which is pretty cool.
LFS has the best connected to road feeling, and that your actually driving something with air filled rubber tyres, but cars don't feel weighty, and the overall physics feels quite soft and doughy. Throttle response is pretty poor, and you never really feel the power and torque of the engines. I have used the LFS tweak tool to up the engines up to 500-600 hp, and it never feels like it.
GT TT feels like your driving on solid rubber tyres as opposed to air filled ones, but weight of car feeling is good.
Tyre model lacks acceleration grip, and has too much braking grip.
Best feeling of throttle response and screaming engine.
iRacing cars don't really feel heavy, or your driving on tyres to me like in LFS, but it models that skipping across the road surface, when the tyres don't bite properly extremely well. Engine sounds not so good. Tyres make as much noise as the GT5 TT as well
Like I said before, if PD improves the tyre model and force feedback, it's gonna be a sweet ride. And best overall package by far.
According to the Irish lads who raced in the national final, there was little or no slipstream in their races. Read here... they were also told that the version of the game they played was a different "code" and there was a possibility it could crash. Obviously their race would be restarted if that happened.
How can they have different slipstreams in each of the finals? Isn't that a thing that should've been done (right) long time ago, not at the end of the game production..
I disagree with the majority of what you've concluded about iRacing and how it compares to other sims in your post. I don't understand how you can say the engine sounds are poor. With the exception of the Mazda, which to me seems like a bit of a bodge job, all of the engine sounds in iRacing are very very accurate, but you do need to turn your volume up once you're ingame. They are also being worked on too, so could improve even more in a near future update!
I'm a fan of the GT series, but this has got to be trolling surely? You can't have given iRacing a serious go if you think rate of throttle applies less than in GT5, especially from the Time Trial demo which has all of 2 variations of the same car. What car(s) from iRacing are you even drawing comparisons from? None of the cars in iRacing are very likely to handle like a tuned or stock 370z.
Some of the things you say about LFS are kind of true, but I still don't think it's fair to say that you can just mash your foot down in LFS and get away with it.
I'm just generalising off course. It is sometimes hard to put feelings and experience into words
The 2 different types of 370z in the GT5 time trial feel so different they may as well be different cars - tight, grippy and fast vs slow, loose and soft. Kinda like the Radical SR8 and Solistice in iRacing
I keep bouncing off the limiter in iRacing, the engine sounds just don't communicate anything to me. They just dont scream up at the redline like they should. They're not very immersive to me. I never get a feeling like I'm driving a race car.
At the end of the day these are all very subtle things we are comparing. Your still braking to get car around a turn, and stepping on the gas to make the car move forward. How a car game feels is still fairly subjective.
The two cars you've tried in Iracing all have very little torque compare to the amount of grip available, hence there's not much instant burst of power to upset the dynamics.
The Z even tuned is still very different from the radical, it weighs half as much, is a lot smaller and with a very different engine, it isn't going to handle remotely similiar.
Those stands ^ are Nordschleife stands not GP circuit stands, so I'm not sure what you're implying with that one :P
Well, I'm pretty sure they are... but that looks like the Nordschleife pit lane - which would warrant garages. The start line (and thus pit area) wasn't moved in Spec II compared to GT4 was it?
Another video from the Osaka Auto Messe 2010 - On Fuji vs the Data Logger ghost. If you listen closely, you can make out the new improved throbby V8 sound of the Lexus IS-F. And the new improved grass and dirt around the curbs etc
The guy playing is a pretty experienced GT5 Prologue player and he still spun out, but he did manage to hold that drift a lot longer than I have in the GT5 Time trial with a wheel, maybe things have improved there tyre model wise. That's with the traction control on, as indicated by the HUD. According to Tiff Needell the IS-F is pretty oversteer happy
Though he did run over the dirt section just before the back end came out, which may have coated the tyres enough to reduce grip
looks like power on oversteer caused by one wheel on the curb and some very bad recovery. (sounds like he kept it FLAT), no stock road cars will have neutral oversteer at such speed and cornering radius or it will be absolutely scary.
Looking at the tuned Viper shot - if there's one beef I have with GT5('s game engine) it's that PD has overdone the lighting effects a little bit imo... if you've played Prologue and driven High Speed Ring at all you know exactly what I mean *cough* exiting the tunnel *cough*
GT4 had that problem too, some of the track surfaces were absurdly reflective (Tsukuba's second hairpin and the last corner at Opera Paris spring to mind)... if the lighting was toned down *just* a little bit those GT5 shots would be perfect.
