Quote from Spudster :

i have a feeling iDi have changed their tags....

they aren't in S2 (although remember when Cleanracer1 said they were in S1 & S2 because they had wrecked him, when he was a demo racer?)

Quote from th84 :

AFAIK idi are demo loser's only. I dont think any of them are licensed. However, this new "team" may very well be the new and licensed idi!! i hope not!

Scawen has already shown his dislike of the iDi, so once they've spent their £24 they would just be banned

Quote from SamH :

Hmm.. Eric, did you get the right replay? The one I have was S2 licenced (BF1s on Blackwood), with S2 licence names on Ctrl+Shift.

Let me know if something went screwy. The report Joen submitted was definitely S2.

[EDIT] I gather there's a little confusion. In the intervening time, until we get our full, server-independent system up and running, other servers are receiving ALL our wrecker reports.. Demo server reports as well as S2. Perhaps I can do a bit of quick coding to filter out the Demo reports and only forward the S2 server reports. I'll take a look at that today (once I've had some sleep.. been an all-nighter for me again )

Don't worry about it too much with the demo reports, we can handle the load for now. I can see in the future where it could get to be too much though so a filter would be nice to have. We are happy to be participating in this cooperative effort. I think it will eventually help to make LFS better for everybody.

We did get Joen's report and although the MPR was very short and only showed one incident, it was enough to confirm that those guys did intentionally wreck other cars. They have been banned from our servers.

Great stuff! I've changed the form today so that it's now generic (and not at all pretty) but it's now usable/referrable by anyone and just happens to be on the "TeamCCUK" website, which by default is no longer visibly hosting S2 servers now we've migrated to the new "ukct.net" name.

Now it's possible to report wreckers at www.teamccuk.com for any server, not just one team's server.

Our database backend should soon follow, where it will be possible for admins to review previous bans and confer with other teams on banning policy etc.

Joen's MPR was indeed brief, and I wished it had been longer. It was apparent to me that blatant, deliberate organized wrecking was occurring, and as joen said he had "a bad feeling" about them.. I definitely felt this too. The MPR confirmed that sense IMO, though.

Quote from Jakg :

Scawen has already shown his dislike of the iDi, so once they've spent their £24 they would just be banned

Any bans asserted on an S2 licence would have to be based on behaviour ON S2, rather than any history of behaviour on Demo. If the idi losers were to migrate to S2, theirs would be a brief appearance because of bans asserted by S2 server admins. While there is provision on the licence agreement that poor behaviour CAN result in an actual licence being revoked, I don't get the feeling that the Devs would be quick to take action on that. That's not a problem, because we're building community barricades to achieve the same result

Quote from SamH :

Great stuff! I've changed the form today so that it's now generic (and not at all pretty) but it's now usable/referrable by anyone and just happens to be on the "TeamCCUK" website, which by default is no longer visibly hosting S2 servers now we've migrated to the new "ukct.net" name.

Now it's possible to report wreckers at www.teamccuk.com for any server, not just one team's server.

Our database backend should soon follow, where it will be possible for admins to review previous bans and confer with other teams on banning policy etc.

Joen's MPR was indeed brief, and I wished it had been longer. It was apparent to me that blatant, deliberate organized wrecking was occurring, and as joen said he had "a bad feeling" about them.. I definitely felt this too. The MPR confirmed that sense IMO, though.

Hmm, I think I may have sent you the wrong mpr then SamH. I have about 4 of them, and one was indeed quite short (also because most races we're very short because of the constant restarts), but the other ones we're longer IIRC.

I guess you don't need them now since they're already banned, but if you want them anyway let me know and I'll make sure you get them. BTW I also got a response from Krutch who sent the replays to the admin of the server it took place on.

Quote from joen :

if you want them anyway let me know and I'll make sure you get them. BTW I also got a response from Krutch who sent it to the admin of the server it took place on.

Good news on Krutch!

Yes please, if you could let me have copies of other supporting MPRs. The more supporting info the better, for us. As time passes, the memory of an incident fades, but the MPR remains the same. If you could attach one or two more to the wrecker report form, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks!

Consider it done In one of the replays I will send you can clearly see them talking about another guy racing there (in their language), and after that going after him in the first turn after the long straight on BW. And they talk (in english all of a sudden) about voting to ban one of the other (good) guys. Which they don't though.

I hope you got all of them, because I had the feeling it didn't send my last two, page loaded very quickly after sending, maybe a flooding protection on the submit function ? There should be 5 of them

Quote from joen :

I hope you got all of them, because I had the feeling it didn't send my last two, page loaded very quickly after sending, maybe a flooding protection on the submit function ? There should be 5 of them

I have 5 of them, two of which you submitted 2x but no prob.. it only took one of the longer replays to confirm that the original ban decision was a good call. The votes from our admins are now all in, and CRG is history. It's one of the best examples I've ever seen of team-based wrecking. Two CRG members attempt to destroy the field, to enable the third to win a race. Quite amazingly sad!

Hello,

Now its time for me to involve as a CRG team member.

First of all, the name has not got anything to do with crashing.

Yes in that one session 2 of our members got mad to the other players because they were voting at our members constantly without reasons so 2 of our members started crashing but i was not involved to that.
I came usually out of the corner in position like 1-5 partially because they took out some guys but mainly because im good at first corners, so it wasnt like sam suggested there.

Quote from haisupeppu :

Hello,

Now its time for me to involve as a CRG team member.

First of all, the name has not got anything to do with crashing.

Yes in that one session 2 of our members got mad to the other players because they were voting at our members constantly without reasons so 2 of our members started crashing but i was not involved to that.
I came usually out of the corner in position like 1-5 partially because they took out some guys but mainly because im good at first corners, so it wasnt like sam suggested there.

*cough*yeah right!*cough*

Quote from haisupeppu :

Hello,

Now its time for me to involve as a CRG team member.

First of all, the name has not got anything to do with crashing.

Yes in that one session 2 of our members got mad to the other players because they were voting at our members constantly without reasons so 2 of our members started crashing but i was not involved to that.
I came usually out of the corner in position like 1-5 partially because they took out some guys but mainly because im good at first corners, so it wasnt like sam suggested there.

No deliberate wrecking of any kind is permitted unless of course you've entered some destruction derby server. I can guarantee you 100% that if someone started wrecking in vMax as a team we'd kick them out. I've seen someone deliberately crashing into other karts while I raced karts and they had their MSA racing license ripped up, not sure what happened with that person in the end.

They deserved to be banned and if a team is willing to keep them in their team after deliberate wrecking, will the whole team deserves to be banned. Funny how if they are old enough to drive they wont be slamming into other cars because they got `mad` .... wait a minute they probably do ...

Nice to see this system seems to work quite well

Keiran

Quote from haisupeppu :

Hello,

Now its time for me to involve as a CRG team member.

First of all, the name has not got anything to do with crashing.

Yes in that one session 2 of our members got mad to the other players because they were voting at our members constantly without reasons so 2 of our members started crashing but i was not involved to that.
I came usually out of the corner in position like 1-5 partially because they took out some guys but mainly because im good at first corners, so it wasnt like sam suggested there.

oh, well if they voted at you, then wrecking is ok!illepall

Quote from haisupeppu :

Hello,

Now its time for me to involve as a CRG team member.

First of all, the name has not got anything to do with crashing.

Yes in that one session 2 of our members got mad to the other players because they were voting at our members constantly without reasons so 2 of our members started crashing but i was not involved to that.
I came usually out of the corner in position like 1-5 partially because they took out some guys but mainly because im good at first corners, so it wasnt like sam suggested there.

I saw every session (it wasn't just one) since CRG entered until the moment everybody had left because of the CRG people.

Your statement about other drivers constantly voting to ban without reason is simply not true. So if you weren't there at that time, you were misinformed by your members. If you were there, you're lying.

There was wrecking and crashing going on from the very first moment you guys entered the track.

And even if there was a voting going on (which there wasn't) that doesn't make any difference. You just don't go crashing into people just because you feel a vote is unfair. It makes you look very childish.

When your members hit another driver the reaction from you guys was as follows:
That doesn't seem like a reaction you would expect if your actions were done out of frustration.

As a matter of fact two of your members were talking about banning another driver there without reason.

Don't take my word on anything, but if Sam and admins of several servers have reviewed the behaviour in those "races" and all concluded you were wrecking, are all those people wrong?

If this is about getting attention, spare me please.
If your intentions are good, look for another team or get members above the age of 12.

Not to mention that haisupeppu means smelly butt, nomen est omen...

Yea, i watched all the replay's also, and it looked like intentional wrecking from the start. No matter the reason, it's childish to wreck other's. For that reason, every member of your "team" that was on any of the replay's, is not welcome on our servers.

haisupeppu, the replays show you wrecking as well. All the members of CRG who were wrecking (all 3 of them, including you) have been banned from the ukct.net servers. We will not risk the races of genuine LFSers by allowing you or your teammates to enter our servers.

If your post, including the blatant nonsense contained within, was intended as your appeal against the ban, then I must inform you that your appeal has been unsuccessful at this time.

I was pushed in the first corner at one point.

Quote from haisupeppu :

I was pushed in the first corner at one point.

Maybe because you have a smelly butt?


Only Finns understand... or Babelfish!

Quote from haisupeppu :

I was pushed in the first corner at one point.

Adult racers however do not see that as an excuse to start wrecking. Shit happens and another race will start in 10 minutes. Live with it and turn the other (smelly) cheek

haisupeppu, are you aware that every single race is recorded on LFS in a file called an MPR, which can be saved and given to ANYBODY who owns LFS, and which can be replayed from ANY angle, at ANY speed, right down to 0.125x speed slow motion?

Quote from SamH :

Now it's possible to report wreckers at www.teamccuk.com for any server, not just one team's server.

Our database backend should soon follow, where it will be possible for admins to review previous bans and confer with other teams on banning policy etc.

You deserve some kind of award! Nice work

Quote from AeoIus :

Adult racers however do not see that as an excuse to start wrecking. Shit happens and another race will start in 10 minutes. Live with it and turn the other (smelly) cheek

I'd totally agree, except that it's even more simple than that. haisupeppu was the one that ran someone else off the track, not the other way around.

I'm absolutely NOT in the business of naming and shaming, but haisupeppu has identified himself. Anyone who subscribed to this thread with email notifications probably got a chuckle out of his pre-edited last response claiming he wasn't even there. Perhaps he then remembered that LFSWorld also records a history of servers you join and the races you run.

if you really think the CRG are blameless, you wont mind posting the replays

Quote from haisupeppu :

I was pushed in the first corner at one point.

You must be one of the most dim witted numpties I've ever come across. Good luck in life - I think you're gonna need it.

Sorry, I shouldn't laugh at other peoples misfortune.

Hi

I'm a wrecker and I think my actions are defensible. I have hormonal/puberty issues and bi polar depression and sometimes I just want to ruin your day too.

Thank you.