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the way they regard F1 talent.
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the way they regard F1 talent.
don't you find its kinda stupid how luck is regarded as talent by most and being unlucky is regarded as poor driving?
Only truly unlucky situations I can see is being struck from behind by an out of control car or having lost control, stalled, and being hit by another car. If you have a view of the person you crash into/who crashes into you and you have control of your car, it's your decision that ultimately decides whether or not you try to occupy the same space.

One example is a kart race I had last year. I was in 4th streaming down to turn 2. 2nd pulled out to pass 1st, and 3rd pulled out on 2nd, trying to go 3 wide into a corner that is difficult to take 2 wide at the best of times. The guy to the far inside spun, I reacted poorly and tried to jink to the outside (I actually thought he was locked with another kart). Once in the marbles, I ended up going off track and tagged a tire barrier with my rear wheel, spinning me around and putting me well behind but undamaged.

Spectators told me I was unlucky, but I told myself it was just a poor decision. If I tell myself I was just unlucky, then I don't learn from the situation and more bad decisions will accumulate stupidly. Rather, I consider myself lucky that the tire barrier didn't bend my axle.

Believe you are lucky, you will be lucky. Believe you are unlucky, you will be unlucky. It stems from confidence, and confidence can generate proper split-second decisions.
mechanical problems is the main issue im talking about.
Quote from Mustafur :mechanical problems is the main issue im talking about.

That's purely to do with the builders of the car and the team that maintains it. Again, not luck - there are no random failures. If it was a defective part, someone didn't QC properly.
Quote from MadCat360 :That's purely to do with the builders of the car and the team that maintains it. Again, not luck - there are no random failures. If it was a defective part, someone didn't QC properly.

not driver related.
Quote from MadCat360 :Believe you are lucky, you will be lucky. Believe you are unlucky, you will be unlucky. It stems from confidence, and confidence can generate proper split-second decisions.

I can't say I agree 100% with the first part of your post, but I do believe the quoted bit is accurate. Your mindset absolutely defines the split second decisions you take, and hence influences the outcomes.
Are we talking about media portrayal of events here? Generally they are skewed and twisted to fit whatever is needed at the time. For example "Button masterfully wins as Hamilton has nightmare weekend" is certainly a better headline and story than "Button has a bit of luck with tyres but drives well as Hamilton also drives really well despite a team strategic error"

Motorsport is one of the most exclusive sports on the planet so mass public/media opinion can be discarded pretty easily. The fact is 90% of motorsport is an illusion so I wouldn't worry too much about what people regard as talent or not. That is unless you're invested in the sport in some way
Quote from Intrepid :Are we talking about media portrayal of events here? Generally they are skewed and twisted to fit whatever is needed at the time. For example "Button masterfully wins as Hamilton has nightmare weekend" is certainly a better headline and story than "Button has a bit of luck with tyres but drives well as Hamilton also drives really well despite a team strategic error"

Motorsport is one of the most exclusive sports on the planet so mass public/media opinion can be discarded pretty easily. The fact is 90% of motorsport is an illusion so I wouldn't worry too much about what people regard as talent or not. That is unless you're invested in the sport in some way

I would kinda agree with you there however button made the choice him self which probably shows hes experience on how he thought the tyres would work.
"Button wins Grands Prix, whilst Hamiltons let's team lose it for him"

Accurate headlines are rarely popular...
Quote from Mustafur :I would kinda agree with you there however button made the choice him self which probably shows hes experience on how he thought the tyres would work.

You're giving drivers too much credit! I don't know how many times I've stood on grids and gone "errrm...slicks?". When it works you're some sort of god, and when it fails you're an idiot. winning a Grand Prix on going "**** it what have I got to lose" isn't a mark of experience. This isn't just for Button but for every racer out there. In these conditions sometimes you gamble and it pays off and it's a so-called "mark of brilliance" (as AS put it). Only a fool though would actually believe that.

Having said that the mass public think F1 represents the best driving talent, so who gives a shit about the intricacies of certain events in one motor race when the whole thing is just one big show!
#11 - 5haz
For every successful racing driver there are 100 others saying "If only I'd had the luck and the money back then, then I could've been...".
money and talent are almost symetrical in the racing world.
Quote from 5haz :For every successful racing driver there are 100 others saying "If only I'd had the luck and the money back then, then I could've been...".

But unlike other sports those statements have quite a large amount of validity!
Quote from Mustafur :not driver related.

If the driver abuses the car it sure is.

Quote from tristancliffe :I can't say I agree 100% with the first part of your post, but I do believe the quoted bit is accurate. Your mindset absolutely defines the split second decisions you take, and hence influences the outcomes.

What don't you agree with? The "if you're in control, it's your fault" bit?
Quote from Intrepid :But unlike other sports those statements have quite a large amount of validity!

LOL

April fools was yesterday.
#16 - JCTK
Quote from Mustafur :I would kinda agree with you there however button made the choice him self which probably shows hes experience on how he thought the tyres would work.

But according to Button his decision wasn't a hard one because he had no options but to pit, his inters were destroyed, while somehow for all others it was still ok~

(He then added if the track was dry enough to destroy his inters, it meant it must have been dry enough for slicks, which obviously turned out to be true and it was a pretty smart decision)
He was still the first car out to do it.

the way they regard F1 talent.
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