Let's say a leading car spins out and bites the dust (literally) and a back marker - who's equally quick or fast enough - passes him. Let's say the lead car recovers quickly and gives chase, and the two cars get close enough to warrant a blue flag situation. Let's say both cars are in competitive positions on track. Who's race, rule-wise, gets doomed now - lead car or back marker?

My suggestion: lead car gets a red card, a few spankings and a week's confinement in the gravel. The driver gets a woman's cosmetic set, even more spankings and is buried on the gravel, neck-down, alongside the lead car with make-up on. Daily booooo's from the crowd would be a plus.

Slower car has to let by hack driving a GTR or something, GTR guy throws it in the gravel at the next corner then re enters the track, slow car has to let him back past again, GTR guy throws it in the gravel again at the next corner.

Repeat lap after lap after lap, argggh. :doh:

Yerp.

No matter what, you got to let him past.

Neither - in pretty much everything except F1, a blue flag just means be aware there is a quicker car behind you, so stick to your lines and don't do anything really silly. It remains up to the faster car to find a way passed.

Blue flag does NOT mean get out of the way.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Neither - in pretty much everything except F1, a blue flag just means be aware there is a quicker car behind you, so stick to your lines and don't do anything really silly. It remains up to the faster car to find a way passed.

Blue flag does NOT mean get out of the way.

Thanks for the clarification.

It obviously depends on the rules of the league you are racing in. Blue flag situations are usually covered in the ruleset of every decent league.

In public racing, almost all races are too short to have a "real" blue flag anyway and if you have one it most likely means that you joined the race mid-way and you should get the hell out of the way quickly.

The only thing we now need is a super retarded or unlucky fellow driving the ferarri F1 team and repeating this lap after lap to warrant a rule change. We must promote Kobayashi up the ranks, so that his front wing can come off in each lap.

Quote from zeugnimod :

It obviously depends on the rules of the league you are racing in. Blue flag situations are usually covered in the ruleset of every decent league.

In public racing, almost all races are too short to have a "real" blue flag anyway and if you have one it most likely means that you joined the race mid-way and you should get the hell out of the way quickly.

That usually happens in lfs multiplayer. Thanks for the info.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Neither - in pretty much everything except F1, a blue flag just means be aware there is a quicker car behind you, so stick to your lines and don't do anything really silly. It remains up to the faster car to find a way passed.

Blue flag does NOT mean get out of the way.

Blue flag does not mean get out of the way in some series, but some still had the authority to "order" the driver being lapped to allow the faster car pass, somehow. XD

But as far as I could remember, in pretty much everything other than the American series, the guy being blue flagged usually make life quite easy for the faster guys to pass.

Quote from hereticlohani :

That usually happens in lfs multiplayer. Thanks for the info.

So it'll depends on the rules on the server you're racing on.

But because us LFS players ain't really professional racing drivers, most servers ask drivers being shown the blue flags to allow the leaders pass. It is not really a "get out of the way" thing, one can always allow the others pass safely on the straight while staying on the racing line...

Depends whether its a waved or stationary blue flag.

A stationary blue flag simply means someone is about to, or is in the middle of overtaking you, they could be on the same lap or not.

A waved blue means someone is coming up to lap you, it dosen't necessarily mean 'dive out of the way' but you shouldn't really try to race the other car or make it harder than it really needs to be to pass, the other driver will appreciate it if you do get out of the way if possible.

In LFS blue flags are only shown when a waved blue would be shown in real life anyway.

But please, if you must drive a powerful car in a race full of various car classes, can you make sure you can actually control it first because you actually get in the way of the slower car's race when you crash at every corner.

Quote from 5haz :

A stationary blue flag simply means someone is about to, or is in the middle of overtaking you, they could be on the same lap or not.

A blue flag when the other car is on the same lap?

Doesn't that ignore the basic definition of "blue flag"?

Quote from zeugnimod :

A blue flag when the other car is on the same lap?

Doesn't that ignore the basic definition of "blue flag"?

No not at all, if someone makes a passing move on you in real life, or they're following closely or catching you, then they throw out a stationary blue flag no matter what lap they're on.

The flag rules in LFS are a bit simplified (and even then most people can't understand them!), LFS only does waved blue flags, just like there are waved and stationary yellow flags in real life too but LFS only does yellow flags.

Ok. I have never seen a blue flag for a car on the same lap in any racing series yet, though.

Quote from zeugnimod :

A blue flag when the other car is on the same lap?
Doesn't that ignore the basic definition of "blue flag"?

No, from the MSA's rule (blue) book:

261-278 Section (Q) Circuit Racing
Flag Signals (5)
15.1. Officials’ Signals will be conveyed to drivers by the
following flag signals (15.4, 15.5):
(b) Blue flag – Stationary: Another competitor is
following close behind.
(c) Blue flag – Waved: Another competitor is trying to
overtake.

and:

14.4. A car alone on the track may use the full width of
the track. however, as soon as it is caught by a car
which is about to lap it the driver must allow the faster
driver past at the first possible opportunity. If the driver
who has been caught does not seem to make full use
of the rear-view mirrors, flag marshals will display
waved blue flags to indicate that the faster driver wants
to overtake. Any driver who appears to ignore the blue
flags will be reported to the Clerk of Course

You are too late again!

Quote from zeugnimod :

Ok. I have never seen a blue flag for a car on the same lap in any racing series yet, though.

Trust me, it does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... Vp4EA&feature=related

Watch about about 1:08 onwards, when Alesi goes to pull a passing move on Senna the marshals give Senna a quick flash of the blue flag without waving it. Although I'm sure Senna would've noticed already.

Would I lie to yah?

Quote from 5haz :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... Vp4EA&feature=related

Watch about about 1:08 onwards, when Alesi goes to pull a passing move on Senna the marshals give Senna a quick flash of the blue flag without waving it.

Ok, I'm persuaded. I was 4 then so I didn't see it and am excused.

Quote from 5haz :

Would I lie to yah?

It's impossible for me to answer that question honestly without offending you.

Quote from zeugnimod :

Ok, I'm persuaded. I was 4 then so I didn't see it and am excused.

It was the only example i could (be bothered to) find, sorry. (Plus its a great race anyway)

Quote from zeugnimod :

It's impossible for me to answer that question honestly without offending you.

Quote from 5haz :

No not at all, if someone makes a passing move on you in real life, or they're following closely or catching you, then they throw out a stationary blue flag no matter what lap they're on.

Never knew that one, thanks for the info.