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LFS needs to be on TopGear
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Quote from Tege :More power?! Now it has better power to weight ratio than for example Ferrari 360. With 150 hps more it would be close to Ferrari Enzo and with those tyres and with no downforce. What is the point?

But yes I like to see RA on Top Gear after the new car is finished. Problem is who pays.

Sorry, I didnt mean it literally. But if there was a car in LFS that TopGear absolutely couldn't resist to present in the show (RAC is not one of these), chances for LFS being in the show would be better.

And please don't get me wrong, I love RaceAbout, it's a great piece of art! <3

OFFTOPIC: is the new version of raceabout black?
Quote from Primoz :Um anyone forgot about LFS's problem of 'open' tracks? Or did you just forget Top Gear is a figure of 8?

As the test course has a predefined route, that shouldn't be a problem at all. Also, I doubt the track would be very detailed (in comparison to a city track, for example) so it would probably be possible to render the whole track all the time.

You have to understand, the 'open track problem' is only existing if you don't know what route the driver might be taking, like in a open city. The city environment would also have to be pretty detailed to not look like complete crap, and when you combine a high polygon count with being unable to have a proper visibility check, THEN you have a problem. A figure 8? No problem.
On the other hand you could always make a big area, autoX style and just put grass to some places, leave the tarmac where it's supposed to be and viola, you're done. You just draw some lines (hammerhead), put some tyres (chicago) and you have a TG test track. The fans know very well how it goes so yeah. :>
Quote from S14 DRIFT :personally I think top gear should do a feature on LFS - the publicity probably would be very much welcomed by the devs, and if they did a feature on Mr Arcade Smug Racer GT4, then why not LFS?

I'm sure it would be welcomed by the devs/lfs community, but most Top Gear viewers probably couldnt care less about PC racing sims. Although LFS is more realistic than GT4, it is still nowhere near as popular, because GT4 is more accessible and has all the real-life cars/tracks to begin with, which is probably why they featured it previously.
Check out this thread,

Apparently the topgear guys have already been invited to try lfs, hooked up to a cybersat to boot! But sadly they didn't do it. well i guess it's worth another shot.

MPH'05 Show and Live for Speed
Quote from S14 DRIFT :Yes they are faster but (cant remeber where) apparently the way a game on PS2 runs is much different that a PC game *which seems to be why games out on PS2 takes a while to arrive in PC*
Apparently, a ps2 games reads its memory and graphical stuff diferently to the pc game. And dont forget even if you got it working you couldnt change the graphics

Just a quick Q - I believe the Xbox 360 has 3x3.x ghz pentuims, so if you had like to x1900xt in crossfire and like 4 gb ram do you reckon you could get say, PGR3 working on a pc?

The 360 uses PPC, not x86.
#32 - Jakg
Quote from S14 DRIFT :Yes they are faster but (cant remeber where) apparently the way a game on PS2 runs is much different that a PC game *which seems to be why games out on PS2 takes a while to arrive in PC*
Apparently, a ps2 games reads its memory and graphical stuff diferently to the pc game. And dont forget even if you got it working you couldnt change the graphics

A. nope, a pc is faster, but the PS2 works in a competely diff way, the reason why they look good is because the devs know the exact hardware it will be played on, meaning their never needs to be a comprimise
B. the delay isnt because if that, (im going on the case of GTA:SA, PS2 november, PC, July next year!) its because the console company (Sony in this case) paid for exclusivity, and even though the PC version was done, they werent allowed to release it

Ok, just read your thing bout the 360 using 3x3.x Pentiums, thats completely wrong, they are IBM processors, and although they have a high clockespeed, they lack other bits, so 3 ghz means nothing
Quote from Jakg : [...] the reason why they look good is because the devs know the exact hardware it will be played on, meaning their never needs to be a comprimise [...]

i believe you're right, but it's fun how, regardless of this, some games (occasionally) stutter on the ps2
Quote from felplacerad :i believe you're right, but it's fun how, regardless of this, some games stutter on the ps2

That's because the dev boxes have a tad more power, and lazy dev's. Many dev teams don't care for what the testers say because it means more work. Or the worse side of the fence, the pubs force the game out, no matter if it's ready for release or not. Look at Street Legal, and Street Legal Redline, neither of the games were finished, but the first was rushed out, and the second was forced out unfinished because EA was going to sue Activision for "stealing their idea".
#35 - Jakg
Quote from felplacerad :i believe you're right, but it's fun how, regardless of this, some games (occasionally) stutter on the ps2

is it me or is GTA:SA incredible dark on the PS2? on the pc its a little overcast but i could barely see where i was going on the PS2!
Quote from Jakg :is it me or is GTA:SA incredible dark on the PS2? on the pc its a little overcast but i could barely see where i was going on the PS2!

I haven't played it on the ps2. Just increase the TV brightness And afaik most games have gamma settings.
#37 - Jakg
Quote from felplacerad :I haven't played it on the ps2. Just increase the TV brightness And afaik most games have gamma settings.

i must say that i dont own a PS2 so i cant check, but i did have a peek on the options, and didnt say anything about brightness
Quote from Jakg :i must say that i dont own a PS2 so i cant check, but i did have a peek on the options, and didnt say anything about brightness

you've always the option to increase the brightness on the actual TV.
Um... you do realize that sony, like all console engineering companies, uses software emulation to design the ps2, before creating the physical object?

it is highly probable that a middle-to-bottom of the line cpu nowadays has more processing power than the ps2.
Thanks for all the response!

The two aspects of this idea that interest me are:
  • Exposure for some righteous software. (ultimately good for me, the LFS user)
  • I really want to see how fast I can go around that damn track!
I run a 3 man software company as well, and I am constantly trying to brainstorm ways to spread the word for no money. (read Seth Godin’s blog if that sort of thing interests you.)
The reason I think Jeremy and company might not be too harsh, is because it would add such a great element to the show. That’s what pays the bills!

Sure there are reasons that it might not work, but if you paid attention to such things you’d never leave the house.
I agree that some sort of Top Gear exposure would be great for LFS and the devs, and I'd be happy to see it. But I'm not sure that LFS would really appeal to Top Gear's presenters or audience. Top Gear seems to me to be about cars as thrill rides and ego accessories, rather than driving as a skill. I think it's no accident that they featured GT4: it's exactly the right game for their audience.
Aye, easy. Add to the fact that Sony have big pockets, so more then likely paid to have it featured.
Perhaps it would be better on 5th gear?
And i dont think there should be a problem with LFS not having real cars or tracks. They could just do it like they would any other road test because all the cars in lfs have their own distinct handling characteristics, so they could just treat it like they are test driving new cars.
I can just imagine the stig sitting at a desk dfp in his hands. And he's off! It's a little skittish comming out of the first corner, but the stig bring it back undercontrol. Lets see what the stig is listening to; o right nothing, it's a computer. etc...

I think it would be great.
+2, i want to be able to drive the tg track at home.
Quote from Fetzo :jeremy would totally crush lfs for its sound .

yeh he'd be all like "i could race this FZR thing all day, but just listen to it, it sounds like a cross between a lawnmower and a hummin'bee!
Quote from rubberbrush :Think of this: model the topgear track, model whatever crap car they use, give that version away for free on the TopGear site.
The drivers with the top 4-5 times get to come out to the taping and drive the real car on TopGear. I'm guessing that the laptimes on the LFS version would be very close to those of the real car, a strong endorsement of the program.
It would be good for TopGear, but more importantly it would be wonderful exposure LFS.
How many people watch TopGear every week? Multiple millions I would guess.You can't buy exposure like that.
How say you?

That's a great idea.. I still can't believe how realistic the physics are in LFS!
Is it possible that someone could create this track for LFS S2? I would love to try and beat the celebrity times in the current test car they have

Here is a layout of the test track. Althogh i'm guessing it would be hard to work out the total distance of it.

http://robots.org.uk/stuff/top-gear-test-track.jpg
It's been done, many times. But due to the sizes of the tracks, it wasn't 100% to scale.
I really like the idea of bringing lfs into such media
and i am as well a big fan of the topgear program.
I like the fact that the moderators tend to name the pros and cons of the stuff they talk about just as like as if they were talking to their biggest mate!
So (almost) no manufacturer will get "faked PR" which makes it all very interesting to look at.

Also i see the fact that Jeremy, as the leading guy of the team, is heavily interested in the "joy and fun of motoring" (as he would probably say himself) That's a reason why we really should set something up with those guys.

But i think that probably we should consider better talking to all three of them, plus the stig, maybe setting up a LAN race, let's say, battling the best 10 british lfs drivers AND/OR having them race against some studio guests in realtime. James and Hammond once were sent to that scene with the teenage girl racing real-life remote-cars inside some kind of "mud-hole" -- and got lapped.

So why not just asking them out for a ride?

Maybe when S2 is in it's final stage? That would give them and the community a little time to figure out the best way to present lfs on such a program
I emailed Top Gear last year with info about LFS and how fast online racing is growing, I didn't get any response. I get the impression they are old in the head and think gaming is for schoolboys, as does most of the mainstream media.

If you want LFS to be featured, I think some kind of challenge will have to be thrown down.
Quote from o000o :If you want LFS to be featured, I think some kind of challenge will have to be thrown down.

Like reading the whole thread perhaps

LFS needs to be on TopGear
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