/i like tator tots
You know, it's all turned way too sour.
PMD9409, There was nothing wrong with your first reply and I tried to address your points in mine. Some people are just not very good at debating in the written word and it appears that I am one of them.
I did not say you called us idiots, if you thought I did then maybe I wrote it wrong for which I apologise. I did not mean to insult anyone and aplogise if I did.
PMD9409, There was nothing wrong with your first reply and I tried to address your points in mine. Some people are just not very good at debating in the written word and it appears that I am one of them.
I did not say you called us idiots, if you thought I did then maybe I wrote it wrong for which I apologise. I did not mean to insult anyone and aplogise if I did.
I for 1 have always enjoyed my racing on these servers ...
@ CSF love your avatar , a special site for "angry stereotypical PC nerd avatars" ?
PS for whats its worth ... I also think less is more when i comes to multi class racing
@ CSF love your avatar , a special site for "angry stereotypical PC nerd avatars" ?
PS for whats its worth ... I also think less is more when i comes to multi class racing
Nah it's LFS' very own Dekojester in an angry mood one day... ok I mean in an angry mood every day.
+1
Never had problem on the server, personally I like racing where everyone drives the same car,the huge speed differences that come with multi class racing detracts from the simple and very satisfying one on one pleasure that come from everyone racing the same car.
But good luck to you and thanks for hosting
But good luck to you and thanks for hosting
To get the discussion back on track, the multi-class server was intended to emulate a "Le Mans" style of racing. So personal preferences of same-class one-on-one is not really the focus. You can find that on almost any server.
Does it work? Yes and no.
Is it the best racing? Depends on your own opinion.
One thing I can say is that the advent of multi-class (more than 2 classes anyways), has greatly increased some people's awareness of what's in their mirrors.
I took part in setting up the insim configs to facilitate what happens on IHR, and even though I may not totally agree with having such a great variety of cars on track at once, I can say that it has taught alot of people how to go about the often ignored Blue Flag rules.
Fact is, there are over 900 servers available, and more added on what seems a weekly basis. You just gotta find your niche.
Does it work? Yes and no.
Is it the best racing? Depends on your own opinion.
One thing I can say is that the advent of multi-class (more than 2 classes anyways), has greatly increased some people's awareness of what's in their mirrors.
I took part in setting up the insim configs to facilitate what happens on IHR, and even though I may not totally agree with having such a great variety of cars on track at once, I can say that it has taught alot of people how to go about the often ignored Blue Flag rules.
Fact is, there are over 900 servers available, and more added on what seems a weekly basis. You just gotta find your niche.
I'd like to add a few comments too, maybe even suggestions.
Personally I never had problems with clean driving. It was just the style that one can expect on a popular public server. Expect shortcomings of average drivers (such as me) and you'll evade (usually) major collisions. Expect everyone to drive like a veteran and you'll end up being crashed.
From my perspective (and I have some experience in this regard) server popularity is defined by what average and below average drivers like. They are the clear majority in LFS and where they go the rest follows. I've seen so many failures when disregarding this principle in an attempt to create "pro" servers, both Demo and S2.
In my view, the introduction of the lowest required LFS Experience Index of 200 to allow any kind racing at IHR had a substantial negative impact, probably much larger that one would expect. This attempt to improve racing quality excluded everyone new to LFS and quite large user base was lost. It is up to admins to decide if it was a good move.
Most people were coming to race. The lots of car categories are not a big problem while they are unavailable to most people. New people use STD cars (well, unless you cut them out with LFSEI), many other join them because you can have very nice racing in this category, great fun.
Some people go for TBOs, well, usually causing troubles with these heavy cars. Still, great racing is possible in this category, when everyone knows how soon he needs to brake and how to drive not to kill the tyres in one or two laps.
GTL cars are also great to have, not too much faster than STD cars. If there happened to be a few people able to use these cars, cool racing was again possible.
But in my view adding other categories on one server is counter-productive. People would be (were) using various cars, leaving the major categories empty (STD and TBO), especially when faster cars were available based on LFSEI. Newcomer must have LFSEI of 200 and even then he's almost alone in STD and that is no fun. Another large part of user base is lost, the remaining people are scattered, just hotlapping.
Well, these are just my views and I realize they can be completely wrong. Still, I'd suggest doing major changes: 1) Lower the minimum required LFSEI to say 50 to exclude only complete LFS beginners that never even raced in demo. 2) Limit car categories to say 3 (STD, TBO, GTL) on one server to compact the race field. 3) Use higher LFSEI allowing to jump directly into TBO/GTL, say 500/700.
Well, good luck!
Personally I never had problems with clean driving. It was just the style that one can expect on a popular public server. Expect shortcomings of average drivers (such as me) and you'll evade (usually) major collisions. Expect everyone to drive like a veteran and you'll end up being crashed.
From my perspective (and I have some experience in this regard) server popularity is defined by what average and below average drivers like. They are the clear majority in LFS and where they go the rest follows. I've seen so many failures when disregarding this principle in an attempt to create "pro" servers, both Demo and S2.
In my view, the introduction of the lowest required LFS Experience Index of 200 to allow any kind racing at IHR had a substantial negative impact, probably much larger that one would expect. This attempt to improve racing quality excluded everyone new to LFS and quite large user base was lost. It is up to admins to decide if it was a good move.
Most people were coming to race. The lots of car categories are not a big problem while they are unavailable to most people. New people use STD cars (well, unless you cut them out with LFSEI), many other join them because you can have very nice racing in this category, great fun.
Some people go for TBOs, well, usually causing troubles with these heavy cars. Still, great racing is possible in this category, when everyone knows how soon he needs to brake and how to drive not to kill the tyres in one or two laps.
GTL cars are also great to have, not too much faster than STD cars. If there happened to be a few people able to use these cars, cool racing was again possible.
But in my view adding other categories on one server is counter-productive. People would be (were) using various cars, leaving the major categories empty (STD and TBO), especially when faster cars were available based on LFSEI. Newcomer must have LFSEI of 200 and even then he's almost alone in STD and that is no fun. Another large part of user base is lost, the remaining people are scattered, just hotlapping.
Well, these are just my views and I realize they can be completely wrong. Still, I'd suggest doing major changes: 1) Lower the minimum required LFSEI to say 50 to exclude only complete LFS beginners that never even raced in demo. 2) Limit car categories to say 3 (STD, TBO, GTL) on one server to compact the race field. 3) Use higher LFSEI allowing to jump directly into TBO/GTL, say 500/700.
Well, good luck!
Cargame.nl does this, but it also depends on your safety rating...you need both to skip categories (600 LFSEI + 90% safety = GTRs iirc)
Yes, the rating is also a nice limiting factor. 
But generally my suggestion would be not to add new cars, rather to limit or cut down on the existing ones. That way IHR can again become a racing and not hotlapping server, hopefully. 
But generally my suggestion would be not to add new cars, rather to limit or cut down on the existing ones. That way IHR can again become a racing and not hotlapping server, hopefully. I totally agree with you now, EQ.
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