Read "appropiate" as "too long to make it on 100% fuel and fresh tyres".
Vain
Read "appropiate" as "too long to make it on 100% fuel and fresh tyres".
Vain
compulsory pitstops are there for adding a little strategy into the game, it's only really any use with anything over 10-15 laps, and only then when R2s are used.
I don't like using them when it's only a short 10-15 lapper, simply because there are too many people out there who'll take advantage of something that would be seriously frowned upon IRL, most real series have a pit window to stop things like this happening.
I don't like using them when it's only a short 10-15 lapper, simply because there are too many people out there who'll take advantage of something that would be seriously frowned upon IRL, most real series have a pit window to stop things like this happening.
Well no. I have a problem with generalisations like this. let's look at FE club compared to FE Black. 20 laps on each are two vastly different events. Pitting on the last lap at Club is a no-brainer, but pitting on the last lap of Black is probably a risky strategy. Therefore it isn't always going to be true that those who chose to take advantage of a last lap pit'n win are going to succeed, nor will those who start with half fuel and get fresh tyres be back markers, as it were. Black can be easily completed with one set of tyres.
neither yay nor nay, its gay.
It's ok to do it, just because it's possible to do it. That's the argument some seem to be supporting.
Well it's also possible to warp to the pitlane and do your mandatory stop on lap one and it's also possible to smash your way to the front of a race. It's even possible to have a team-mate smash the leader out of first place on the last lap.
Completing a mandatory stop on the last lap is obviously a "cheat", but are we meant to think that because LFS does not penalise us there can be no unwritten rules on public servers?
Well it's also possible to warp to the pitlane and do your mandatory stop on lap one and it's also possible to smash your way to the front of a race. It's even possible to have a team-mate smash the leader out of first place on the last lap.
Completing a mandatory stop on the last lap is obviously a "cheat", but are we meant to think that because LFS does not penalise us there can be no unwritten rules on public servers?
IMO if you can only win by bending the rules and taking advantage of a loophole like in LFS, then you are a complete a**h**le. the only person you are kidding is yourself.
win the race and then get aroused, but you are a LOSER.
same as schumacher, he won because someone didnt do their job.........and his team found a loophole.........well done to them and him..........
i have more respect and admiration for a driver who shows his class and talent by winning fair a square, not by bending and breaking rules then getting a way with it.
win the race and then get aroused, but you are a LOSER.
same as schumacher, he won because someone didnt do their job.........and his team found a loophole.........well done to them and him..........
i have more respect and admiration for a driver who shows his class and talent by winning fair a square, not by bending and breaking rules then getting a way with it.
HelloI just play this game for fun. Don't care if i come 1st, 5th or last. All i'm looking for is a good clean race with fair minded drivers.
I'm reasonably quick in the FOX, (infact, quite a lot quicker than you, but who cares) and in everything else i suck, so, when i do actually go online, (which is'nt very often these days), i tend to drive some of the everything else cars.
To me, this game is a release from the pressure's and stress of everyday life, so why would i want to put more pressure on myself by trying to win every race i take part in, by fair means or foul.
Because of certain limiting factors i know that i'll never be one of the really quick guys, so i dont try to deceive myself by thinking, well if they can drive that fast then so can i.
But thats just me, and it's the way i live my life. But it doesn't mean i'm a sap just because i dont have a win, win, win, me, me, me mentality (anymore
)Pit every time... for me winning a race using last lap pit would make me feel like the biggest loser in LFS.
What prize do we get when we win?.
John
Forced pits are fine BUT it should be in a window of laps that do not include the start lap or the last lap.
It can add strategy to a race in that if you are fighting for position but are being help up by slower racers you can pit early and hope it buys you open track to make better time on so you can try and gain position when the slower people pit later in teh race.
There are even some race series where you have the option to replace tires OR add fuel but you are NOT allowed to do both in a single stop. Again, adds more into the mix
It can add strategy to a race in that if you are fighting for position but are being help up by slower racers you can pit early and hope it buys you open track to make better time on so you can try and gain position when the slower people pit later in teh race.
There are even some race series where you have the option to replace tires OR add fuel but you are NOT allowed to do both in a single stop. Again, adds more into the mix
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Steady
Actually, a while ago you posted something about dodgy rev's in the XRR, i had a look at your replay and realised i'd never actually driven that car. Had a quick go and wow, dont know if its the new patch or what, but, it's fast becoming my fave. Cheers Kev
Few weeks ago had an insane couple of minutes and decided to have a go in it around SO long, and within about 20 laps managed to get into the mid 32's, which i was pretty chuffed about.
And thats part of the fun for me, it's finding a new challenge, see how quick i can get, but make sure i'm not taking myself too seriously while i'm doing it, and stuff the result.
That must be one of the best posts I have seen in a long time - good on ya mate.
Life is to short and you only get one chance to take it and have fune with it, that's what I say
See, that's exactly the way i look at it. I just want to have a fun race. I win sometimes, and i come in dead last sometimes. Winning by 30secs isn't really that enjoyable. I'd rather have a close race to the end fighting for 10th place, than win by a mile. It's just a videogame afterall, i don't see how anyone takes it so seriously that they are desperate to win win win. I guess their e-penis feels bigger or something
I think that the assumption pitting on the last lap is a win win win attitude thing is wrong. It's simple mathematics, i'd loose out if I didn't.
Firstly I should state i've very rarely found myself on servers which have compulsory pitstops. I tend to stick to either the next league race track or a quick blast on the cduk servers around SOC, ocassionally I go elsewhere for a bit of fun and it's when I make these ocassional forays into the other goodies LFS offers I sometimes find compulsory pit stop servers.
When I find them I note that a sizeable proportion of the field pits on the last lap, I see a time advantage in doing this, so I do the same.
I also ocassionally experiment with a first lap stop if i'm quick on the combo, but mostly I save the stop until i'm damaged and if not stop on the last lap.
Now in this thread so far i've been slated for my outright speed twice, and it's been suggested I have a win win attitude and am using such "exploits" and "cheating" to counter my ability shortfall.
I'm not the fastest driver in LFS, i'm quick enough to usually place in the top 3 on arrive and drive Fox races, and in league races usually take the steady option and by doing so am 7th in my first full league entry - flamers should note that i'm still a rookie, every event is a first time combo for me. So whilst i'm not out there setting WR's, I am still quite competetive. I do a low 42 in SOC, the quickest guys do a high 41. So i'm fast enough to win on pace alone - just not as often.
As for the win win attitude, I enjoy motor racing and love a good battle. I have the most fun side by side with another car - which is one reason I dont like compulsory stop servers anyway because it meens I can pass people in pit stops.
Having said that, when I do race compulsory stop servers i'm not fast enough to give away 15 seconds.
Maybe i'm win win, or maybe i'm just a racer who enjoys a win when it happens.
Firstly I should state i've very rarely found myself on servers which have compulsory pitstops. I tend to stick to either the next league race track or a quick blast on the cduk servers around SOC, ocassionally I go elsewhere for a bit of fun and it's when I make these ocassional forays into the other goodies LFS offers I sometimes find compulsory pit stop servers.
When I find them I note that a sizeable proportion of the field pits on the last lap, I see a time advantage in doing this, so I do the same.
I also ocassionally experiment with a first lap stop if i'm quick on the combo, but mostly I save the stop until i'm damaged and if not stop on the last lap.
Now in this thread so far i've been slated for my outright speed twice, and it's been suggested I have a win win attitude and am using such "exploits" and "cheating" to counter my ability shortfall.
I'm not the fastest driver in LFS, i'm quick enough to usually place in the top 3 on arrive and drive Fox races, and in league races usually take the steady option and by doing so am 7th in my first full league entry - flamers should note that i'm still a rookie, every event is a first time combo for me. So whilst i'm not out there setting WR's, I am still quite competetive. I do a low 42 in SOC, the quickest guys do a high 41. So i'm fast enough to win on pace alone - just not as often.
As for the win win attitude, I enjoy motor racing and love a good battle. I have the most fun side by side with another car - which is one reason I dont like compulsory stop servers anyway because it meens I can pass people in pit stops.
Having said that, when I do race compulsory stop servers i'm not fast enough to give away 15 seconds.
Maybe i'm win win, or maybe i'm just a racer who enjoys a win when it happens.
Now thats a better post One that i think a lot of people will echo.
But, i'd just like to point out that neither myself or the other chap actually "slated" you in any way for your pace. He just said you were midfield, which to be honest is true
. And i said i was quicker than you, but quantified it with a statement that, i didnt see it as an issue. (if your doing low 42's at SOC after only a couple of months, you've got to be doing something right)
As for the win win attitude, absolutely no suggestion was made to indicate that it was directed at you, rather an analogue between "racers" and "backmarkers"
And indeed, my post was centred around the "either you're a REAL racer or a backmarker" (paraphrasing) statement, and surely you can understand why such an assertion, may get a few backs up !.
A lot of us on here would aline our attitudes with your very last statement "maybe i'm just a racer who enjoys a win when it happens", but, the tone of your original post would suggest that that means we'd be considered backmarkers, i.e no hopers, and who wants to called that.
I actually quite like you Becky Rose, your a very spirited feisty young lass, and most of your post's are worth a read, I may disagree with 98% of what you say, but, what would life be, if we all agreed with everything and everyone else. And i've raced you a few times and your clean and "fair", just don't let me catch you pitting on the last lap though
[edit] that last bit wasn't a come on btw
One that i think a lot of people will echo.But, i'd just like to point out that neither myself or the other chap actually "slated" you in any way for your pace. He just said you were midfield, which to be honest is true
. And i said i was quicker than you, but quantified it with a statement that, i didnt see it as an issue. (if your doing low 42's at SOC after only a couple of months, you've got to be doing something right)As for the win win attitude, absolutely no suggestion was made to indicate that it was directed at you, rather an analogue between "racers" and "backmarkers"
And indeed, my post was centred around the "either you're a REAL racer or a backmarker" (paraphrasing) statement, and surely you can understand why such an assertion, may get a few backs up !.
A lot of us on here would aline our attitudes with your very last statement "maybe i'm just a racer who enjoys a win when it happens", but, the tone of your original post would suggest that that means we'd be considered backmarkers, i.e no hopers, and who wants to called that.
I actually quite like you Becky Rose, your a very spirited feisty young lass, and most of your post's are worth a read, I may disagree with 98% of what you say
, but, what would life be, if we all agreed with everything and everyone else. And i've raced you a few times and your clean and "fair", just don't let me catch you pitting on the last lap though [edit] that last bit wasn't a come on btw
The "i'll show you a backmarker" comment is more of a real racer mentality thing, in club level racing it's all very fair and sporting - but if an engine retune costing £500 gives you 0.05 seconds a lap then everybody turns up at the next race with the retune.
Ocassionally you'll speak to another driver in the pits and perhaps have a drink on the way home, but if you mention an advantage found with a particular brake and pad combination on certain tracks then dont be suprised if that person is trying that combination at the next test session.
At club level go kart racing the average endurance kart has an onboard computer, pit lane linkup to a laptop, pit car radio and runs on average 20 hours testing per hour of race time.
This is why I say I dont like the current ruling and dont want to use it, but for as long as it is allowed I will do so. I'm a racer, and i'll take every advantage I can get. I already bought a new computer because low framerate at the start meant I couldnt control wheelspin and make fast starts with the graphics options I wanted (although a new PC was sort of on the cards anyway).
I'll use car reset even though the concept of it I find abhorrent! Just because it's faster to recover my position with.
I wont shift-s if the car still drives if I get taken out/crash at T1 - i'll carry on and salvage the best result I can with a damaged car rather than throw the race with a pitstop.
That's racing.
Ocassionally you'll speak to another driver in the pits and perhaps have a drink on the way home, but if you mention an advantage found with a particular brake and pad combination on certain tracks then dont be suprised if that person is trying that combination at the next test session.
At club level go kart racing the average endurance kart has an onboard computer, pit lane linkup to a laptop, pit car radio and runs on average 20 hours testing per hour of race time.
This is why I say I dont like the current ruling and dont want to use it, but for as long as it is allowed I will do so. I'm a racer, and i'll take every advantage I can get. I already bought a new computer because low framerate at the start meant I couldnt control wheelspin and make fast starts with the graphics options I wanted (although a new PC was sort of on the cards anyway).
I'll use car reset even though the concept of it I find abhorrent!
Just because it's faster to recover my position with.I wont shift-s if the car still drives if I get taken out/crash at T1 - i'll carry on and salvage the best result I can with a damaged car rather than throw the race with a pitstop.
That's racing.
Pitting on the very last lap is just plain boring, and even though it's an almost guaranteed winner, I never do it.
Now since people are talking about why/how they race, let me give you an idea of how I do it
I always race with a goal. If I crash out of the race on the first lap for some reason, I quickly pit and get into the race again. Then I set myself a goal for my finish of the race like "4th position, <15s behind leader", and if it gets to easy I change the 15s to 12s or something like that, so I'm always achieving the best possible.
If I manage to get off the line without crashing (I race a lot of SO Classic/FOX), I race by Ayrton Senna's saying “Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose.”. I always aim for first, because I know that I have the speed.
Now since people are talking about why/how they race, let me give you an idea of how I do it
I always race with a goal. If I crash out of the race on the first lap for some reason, I quickly pit and get into the race again. Then I set myself a goal for my finish of the race like "4th position, <15s behind leader", and if it gets to easy I change the 15s to 12s or something like that, so I'm always achieving the best possible.
If I manage to get off the line without crashing (I race a lot of SO Classic/FOX), I race by Ayrton Senna's saying “Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose.”. I always aim for first, because I know that I have the speed.
I'd just like to clear up, if it's a server rule (ie: shift-s at oval junkies) then i'll obey it - otherwise i'll take the free time, begrudgingly.
I've only ever had 1 black flag in my racing career and that was when the clerk of the course didn't know the rule book properly and the penalty was dropped post race ... although it was a bit late by then i'd already "retired" ! lol...
EDIT: Took a time penalty once too when bits fell off the kart in a crash and I came in underweight.
I've only ever had 1 black flag in my racing career and that was when the clerk of the course didn't know the rule book properly and the penalty was dropped post race ... although it was a bit late by then i'd already "retired" ! lol...
EDIT: Took a time penalty once too when bits fell off the kart in a crash and I came in underweight.
Well, thats gotta be the first time i've ever heard a woman complain about being underweight
If i'm complaining, then i'm not complaining about the weight - but the accident that resulted in the penalty! We lost the championship by 1pt as a result of the penalty and I broke 3 ribs and lost my job (I was temporary labour at the time). I think i'm entitled to a moan !
I think i'm entitled to a moan !if the rules allow certain maneuvers then everyone is entitled to take advantage of them. if the rules presently allow finishing a race in the pits then anyone is obviously entitled to do so.
let's have a moral debate when the next tax declaration is due. as if noone would take advantage of the rules there (and even break some) :-)
personally i would immediately vote for a change of race rules in a way that finishing in the pits results in a penalty of some sort. a race should be finished with someone waving a checkered flag and not a screw driver at me.
let's have a moral debate when the next tax declaration is due. as if noone would take advantage of the rules there (and even break some) :-)
personally i would immediately vote for a change of race rules in a way that finishing in the pits results in a penalty of some sort. a race should be finished with someone waving a checkered flag and not a screw driver at me.
well im not going to read all the posts, but in TOCA3 if you try to pit on the last lap it DQ's you :/
I dont think pitting on the last lap should disqualify you - it may be you have a last lap tussle and take the pit route to complete the circuit out of the way of other racers.
Currently the lap is complete as you reach the pit exit, this is fine.
The "exploit" is that in a compulsory stop race you do not need to navigate the pit exit (from the point you turn the limiter off) and get up to race speed, it's actually quite a considerable saving of time, but the "exploit" only effects this circumstance.
A pit window would be the ideal solution, I think only stops between 25-75% distance should count and a text message for "pit lane open" and "pit lane closed" should appear onscreen.
Currently the lap is complete as you reach the pit exit, this is fine.
The "exploit" is that in a compulsory stop race you do not need to navigate the pit exit (from the point you turn the limiter off) and get up to race speed, it's actually quite a considerable saving of time, but the "exploit" only effects this circumstance.
A pit window would be the ideal solution, I think only stops between 25-75% distance should count and a text message for "pit lane open" and "pit lane closed" should appear onscreen.
well ive already said that this is gay, but i have a lil something to add, try and pit in the last lap at fe green rev and see what happens, the finish line is before or very close to the pit in :P
TOCA 2 used that feature a few years back, I'm glad they did that
.That sounds ideal to me too...
Pitting on very last lap, yay or nay?
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