http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/the ... drugs_debate_hots_up.html

I figured this out for myself 20 years ago but there it is in black and white (or rather, rainbow-effect bar graphs).

Alcohol is a filthy drug and i don't even know why its legal.

Its even worse when people that go out drinking every weekend try to tell me what im using is bad for me. And that because alcohol is legal, its instantly "safe" and "harmless"

FFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

What you're using IS bad for you. It's just not as bad for you (or especially for society) as alcohol.

Now where's my beer?

LSD is only physiologically dangerous if you have some mental instability.
Not lethal until you dose over 5000 times equivalent of one hit


Maybe everyone should just smoke DMT which is a class A drug not on that chart.
How they can possibly outlaw DMT is beyond me seeing as your brain naturally produces it to make you dream every night.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

What you're using IS bad for you. It's just not as bad for you (or especially for society) as alcohol.

Which is my point...

Its sheer ignorance that someone comes up to me and tells me not to swallow pills once every 3~ months when they're downing alcohol every weekend.

And when told that alcohol is worse, they go "Nah man, if it was it wouldn't be legal you're an idiot"

Quote from FPVaaron :

LSD is only physiologically dangerous if you have some mental instability.

LSD certainly is psychologically damaging at high doses. I personally know a few perfectly mentally healthy people that have acted weird after.

Granted they even out after a few weeks / months, it still shows it can warp your views, opinions, and perceptions on things, which is a little scarey.

It's interesting reading however I can't see peoples urge to do drugs anyway.

Personally I've never been drunk and for the last 2 or 3 years, the only alcohol I had was 2 of those little glasses of Baileys. While I did do drugs at one point, that was because I was a mess and had nothing else to turn to (take my word for it) and even then I was like "What the **** am I doing to myself?" and stopped after about a week.

I agree that Alcohol is the most dangerous drug. Some girl I know actually died at a houseparty because she got so drunk (she didn't normally drink..) and as if that wasn't enough, one of my closest friends got raped at a party by some half drunk guy. All you need to do to see how dangerous Alcohol can be is to watch one of those stupid cop shows on Bravo, Traffic Cops or Night Cops. While many people enjoy just a relaxing pint or two, perhaps with a meal or with friends, the larger majority unfortunately will have 5-6 pints (as a starter) and then carry on with whatever shots and leftovers they can find till they are unable to walk unaided, or at least control their actions which means they would refrain from violently assaulting people.

With all the resources we have to spend in terms of rehabillitation, police on the streets, prosecuting, jailtime for crimes performed while under the influence, surely the government would save money by just banning Alcohol. But no, the greedy bastards don't care about us at the end of the day.

The only reason Alcohol is legal is because the government get so much money on the tax from it, because they can control it to some extent. The only reason LSD, Mushrooms, Cannabis, etc are illegal is because the government can't control them.

But back to my original topic, drugs are a way to escape. If you have a good life, a happy family, kids, girlfriends, whatever, a good job, money in the bank and what not, I see no reason to take drugs other than to try and fit into a crowd. You don't need to get high because you're already living a 'good life' and have no reality to need to escapae from..

Take 10 young people (say from 11-21) from the deepest slums of London or some back street alley in America and 10 people of the same age from one of those posh and stuck up areas (like Cheshire or some posh place in London) and I'm pretty sure the majority of drug users will be those who have the poorer quality of life. And while yes, alot of 'richer' kids/people do drugs, they'd never admit it, neither would their parents who want to believe their kid is perfect.

I'd rather someone smoked weed or whatever then got drunk.

On LSD: I had to joy to work with a man who took LSD once, about 30 years ago. And still suffers from psychosis caused by it. So I wouldn't generally advise taking it.
Same with shrooms. They're very hard to properly dose, as the concentration of the chemicals can vary strongly, which in turn can cause a severe psychological aftermath when ODed.
But then, I am an advocate of either allowing all kinds of drugs (which would eradicate lot's of small and big time crime at one swipe, make the consumation safer if the contents were federally controlled AND would generate a lot of income for the state, similar to tobacco taxation) or be consequent and prohibit alcohol, tobacco, coffee and chocolate too.

Quote from ColeusRattus :

On LSD: I had to joy to work with a man who took LSD once, about 30 years ago. And still suffers from psychosis caused by it. So I wouldn't generally advise taking it.

There's some one around here who just walks the streets all the time supposedly took LSD 30 years ago and never fully recovered.

I've taken LSD 15 times, with one bad trip that was pretty terrifying, I felt a bit weird after wards too, until finally coming to the conclusion that the only way to get peace of mind with it was to take it again.



It's a very interesting thing LSD, to describe it would be to philosophically describe life it self.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

But back to my original topic, drugs are a way to escape. If you have a good life, a happy family, kids, girlfriends, whatever, a good job, money in the bank and what not, I see no reason to take drugs other than to try and fit into a crowd. You don't need to get high because you're already living a 'good life' and have no reality to need to escapae from..

I come from a middle class family. None of my family take drugs or are heavy alcohol consumers. I had a normal life, though my highschool days were on the shitty side.

I don't use it as an escape, and i take it for fun.
Look at it this way.

You have option A) Going to a rave sober, enjoying the music, dancing a bit, talking to a few people - Fun night.

Then you have option B) Going to a rave, having a few pills, Loving the music, Dancing ALOT, Socialising ALOT, meeting random new and amazing people, the loving empathy you feel to your closest friends, and people you've only just met, the content feeling of the world being absolutely perfect - Absolutely fantastic amazing night that you would NEVER forget.

Heres a shit anology, but the above is like choosing between taking a ford festiva and a Ferrari around a race track.
Would you not choose the Ferrari to get more out of the experience and have a more exhilirating and intense enjoyment? Its the same thing.

Quote from FPVaaron :

It's a very interesting thing LSD, to describe it would be to philosophically describe life it self.

Truth be told, i don't think its actually possible to describe what acid is like.

I thought i knew what i was getting myself into when i first did it, as my best friend described as close as he could what its like.
I was not prepared at all and was completely blown away by the experience, and i still hold it as one of my most favourite nights i've EVER had.

In the morning we reflected on it and had a discussion about it, and we both came to an agreement that no matter how much you try to explain it to a person thats never had it, they'll never fully understand what its like.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

It's interesting reading however I can't see peoples urge to do drugs anyway.

But back to my original topic, drugs are a way to escape.

It's a shame, but a lot of the general public share this condescending viewpoint. Decades of propaganda and social conditioning have a powerful effect.

After using soft drugs since my 15th age, and hard drugs not much later. I have came to a moment in the beginning of 2010 to think about quitting drugs.

After a though period of kicking off, I finally succeeded!

I'm now clean for 5 months, and don't even feel like using anymore.

I used to do drugs, just to feel better, since I've had such a shit life. Which caused me to get addicted.

Luckily everything in my life is now on it's feet.


I'm starting up a multimedia team within a company, we are already having some useful things to do for our employees.

What started from a custom Joomla website order from a company, now also teaching our employees GameMaker, Photoshop, Visual Effects, and soon we will start on a serious project, being the of creating a Racing Simulator.

The base engine is already there, and the concept is very nice. Sadly I can not go into detail yet.

But it promises to be something nice.


Now I'm interested in YOUR personal experiences with drugs of course, cause these drugs, almost, ruined my complete future.

Quote from rockclan :

After using soft drugs since my 15th age

You mean your actually older than 15?

Quote from Jakg :

You mean your actually older than 15?

19, almost 20

Edit:

Not everyone, normally, acts like them real selves on the internet, especially fora.

I used to act like a moron, cause I just didn't want/could act like the real me, but I've learned from my mistakes.

Quote from rockclan :

Now I'm interested in YOUR personal experiences with drugs of course, cause these drugs, almost, ruined my complete future.

It really depends on the person in my opinion.

I've had nothing but positive and amazing experiences with my experimenting, however, i do have friends that have gone down a bad path, and its not fun to watch since you can't help them if they don't want to help themselves.
If you have an addictive personality, stay away from anything drug related, its not worth the risk.

Quote from Klutch :

It really depends on the person in my opinion.

If you have an addictive personality, stay away from anything drug related.

I've had nothing but positive and amazing experiences with my experimenting, however, i do have friends that have gone down a bad path, and its not fun to watch since you can't help them if they don't want to help themselves.

Yes I got a very strong addictive gen in my body.

Sadly, I once started drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, coffee, energy drinks, etc...

I now quit drugs, next step is quitting energy drinks.

I drink energy drinks like its water, but that being said i despise sleeping for some reason

Quote from Klutch :

I drink energy drinks like its water, but that being said i despise sleeping for some reason

I drink energy drink like it's water as well, and as you could have seen at my posting times, if you would have checked some of my posts, you would know that I almost never sleep.

i want peoples to ban smoking completely so that maybe i would has an excuse for stopping.

"Official: Just do mushrooms"

Heh. Imagine the ad campaign for that

Quote from Electrik Kar :

"Official: Just do mushrooms"

Heh. Imagine the ad campaign for that

Yeah, but, well... It's funny. How can something so mind-obliteratingly extreme as magic mushrooms be - statistically - several orders of magnitude safer for both the user and wider society than booze?

Surely if everybody went out and tanked up on shrooms every weekend those statistics would quickly swap ends, with thousands of shitfaced tripheads all over the country laughing their tits off and blundering into oncoming traffic.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Yeah, but, well... It's funny. How can something so mind-obliteratingly extreme as magic mushrooms be - statistically - several orders of magnitude safer for both the user and wider society than booze?

Surely if everybody went out and tanked up on shrooms every weekend those statistics would quickly swap ends, with thousands of shitfaced tripheads all over the country laughing their tits off and blundering into oncoming traffic.

I used to frequently imagine what society might look like in the absence (not prohibition, just absence) of alcohol, and I'd come to the conclusion that things would be 'better'. When I think about a society where mushrooms have swapped roles with alcohol as the most prevalent drug, I really can't imagine what that would be like.

Imagine if MDMA was legal and alcohol was illegal.

The club and nightlife scene would change so much. No more bashings or glassings, no more violence.

Quote from Klutch :

Imagine if MDMA was legal and alcohol was illegal.

The club and nightlife scene would change so much. No more bashings or glassings, no more violence.

Unstoppable spread of AIDS(and other std's) would result probably.

Quote from Klutch :

Imagine if MDMA was legal and alcohol was illegal.

The club and nightlife scene would change so much. No more bashings or glassings, no more violence.

I agree. Really, if I had the power to decide alcohols replacement as societies number one drug of choice, I would probably choose MDMA. By that I don't mean that instead of Friday night beers you'd have your Friday night pills... but, yeah.

Kev is right though. Out of all of the drugs on that list, mushrooms have to be the most intensely affecting as an experience. I can certainly say that my most intense drug experience ever was with mushrooms (I have done most psychedelics). Not sure how I'd frame that experience in terms of 'harm' though, so I can sort of understand its position on the list.

Quote from FPVaaron :

There's some one around here who just walks the streets all the time supposedly took LSD 30 years ago and never fully recovered.

I've taken LSD 15 times, with one bad trip that was pretty terrifying, I felt a bit weird after wards too, until finally coming to the conclusion that the only way to get peace of mind with it was to take it again.



It's a very interesting thing LSD, to describe it would be to philosophically describe life it self.

It's impossible to describe LSD to somebody that hasn't taken it, it really is a fantastic experience, and not just the straight up tripping, the way your mind works is unexplainable.

By the way, if anybody's never seen Limmys show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr0eJIW4gPI