Wrong. And it's not a pertinent argument when almost all online servers with more than two tumbleweeds racing are either demo, cruise, drift, and the only exceptions are overused combos. Even if you've just started on LFS, those combos will get old quick; the state of things leads to exactly what you denounce those "5 percenter" players for. Nothing that hasn't already been said further up-thread.
That said, I finally caved in and tried the cargame server, and it's not hard to see why it's popular. It has much of what LFS is missing: lots of variety so that you're almost guaranteed to find at least one or two others racing something in the class you want to race, and almost everyone gets to make passes (gratuitous gratification). There's enough quality that most people care enough to drive sensibly.
On a tangent, I think this proves something I argued a while back: You don't need perfect class balancing, given a dense enough car class. With a dense enough performance cloud, everyone in the car class stays in touch enough that you feasibly can catch up to some faster cars in the class duking it out ahead of you.
about iracing i tried it before but somehow its sucks for just a per track in $100??! but somehow LFS is not getting bored but some racing servers aren't around now its the best thing if the LFS S3 comes out so some old best racers will comeback racing.
To you: inadequate reading comprehension. The reason your reply is bunk is clearly explained before your reply.
I've said my piece, considered and replied to apparently every proper argument, and though the OP problem seems to have no solution I found a couple of things to keep me satisfied in the mean time thanks to replies in this thread. I have nothing else to add to the topic, and if nothing constructive but another string of these bonehead kneejerk replies is all anyone's got to say anymore, the mods can lock this thread as they see fit.
That makes my point.
Valuable opinions are those that actually resolve contention. To wit: I replied to your previous post by a proper argument whereas your reply above is just some truism. An "****" opinion would be me replying with another meaningless truism that "seems" to contradict; tit for tat.
What I care about is having fun with a game that I know can be fun, but (when I wrote the OP) is under/misused. If all there was to it was giving up, i.e. "not playing" like a couple of geniuses pointed out, I wouldn't have started this thread. That's not all there is to it (I still love the game). I already said this and that. I don't think I have anything more to add. I found what I was looking to trigger with this thread.
Thanks to those that supplied it.
I'll PM a mod to lock the thread if non-constructive (incl. dissenting) replies keep bumping this up. Those are part of what's "boring" about LFS.
if this were true, you would have seen the light hearted side to my post (which wasn't aimed at you in the first place)
let me get this straight. it's ok for you to be sarcastic and have a little giggle at someone elses expense. but as soon as somone else tries it, you have issues with it. sorry buddy, it doesn't work that way.
so are you just ignoring the posts from users that have discussed their points in a valid way? remember, this is a public forum, if you want a private discussion, use email or skype.
even if you ask nicely, this thread will not get locked. simply because the thread has not completely run its course. other users have points to add, they have their opinions and experiences to share. so to say you are going to get this thread locked is actually quite selfish.
It stands to reason you'd quote the guy you're replying to, to make it clear who you're talking to if you reply with other people tween you and that other guy.
The context to "having fun" was RE: the state of LFS and why I made this thread. You actually chopped up that quote yourself, so that it fit your reply to what you wish I'd said. Can't blame me for that. Or for probably not replying if you keep convolving and derailing this topic into this here irrelevant tangent; which BTW has nothing to do with the topic nor is interesting to anyone else reading this and thus probably qualifies as "something to do over email or skype".
I have no idea where you read what you describe.
Huh? I replied to everything, salient and bogus.
I'm selfish, like everyone. My selfish interest is for an LFS with more variety, more good racing, for a forum with less childish bullshit, etc. This thread's title was purposefully worded (actually I just wrote it that way carelessly, and didn't edit it cause I retrospectively saw it worked that way) to kick people in the pants about the sorry state of things (nothing but demo/drift servers populated, etc), this impetus being a kind of guarantee that I'd get replies. It's an ambiguous title that fits both what I really think (LFS is boring because players make it so) and what anyone else wants to read it as (LFS itself is boring). It catalyzes debate, which I can't see turning out any other way than concluding LFS is a great game that's underused - provided there's actual debate, not bonehead stuff like "so stop playing" or "go play NFS you noob".
And I said no longer ago than my previous reply that if this thread turned into yet another mindless dribble of LFS bashing, or anything not-constructive, I'd point it out to mods so they'd lock it, just like every other previous useless waste of space on the forum. Explicitly said constructive comments included dissent; I.E. I implicitly say I'm done with the thread (since I found fun in LFS again) and welcome people to carry on as they see fit, incl (esp.) dissent, provided it's done right. In fact you can probably pick any post I've made in this forum since day one as all-inclusive and actually encouraging proper debate, not just token bulshitting. Except for a few very obvious exceptions.
it stand to reason you would have enough mental capacity to understand that my comment was aimed at everyone (since everyone has an opinion).
were you being sarcastic when you said "geniuses pointed out"? because it came across as sarcasm (which would fit nicely into the mindless dribble category)
for me, some of the suggestions that you dismissed were actually quite valid.
if you're bored with LFS, play a different game.
if you're bored with the servers, host your own.
if you're bored with the forum, stop visiting so often.
why are these points not valid?
for me, what makes LFS boring is threads like this. full of moaning and bitching.
you're dismissing other peoples points of view simply because they don't match your views.
so what if they come across as childish, i hate to inform you but children also play LFS.
the reason i called you selfish is because it seems that now you've gotten your point across, you feel there is now no further need for this thread. so only your opinion matters? sorry dude, that's not the way it works.
and having a thread titled "LFS is boring" will help increase LFS' usage?
come on man, you're talking the talk, but you're not walking the walk.
again, opinions are like ****s...... of course people will bash LFS. your carefully thought out title has instantly set the mood so low that it becomes very easy to bash LFS, its forum and its users.
so if you include bigger words onto your mindless dribble of LFS bashing then it's ok? some people will actually see your comments as LFS bashing.
here's the problem LFS does not revolve around you. you are not the only user on this forum. you will not be able to agree with all of the other users.
you can't ask for a thread to be locked just because it didn't flow as you expected.
this thread will die it's own death when it's ready, you can't hurry that up.
*cue "Circle of Life-Elton John*
you can help steer a thread but you can't really control where it goes or who posts in it. dismissing comments as mindless dribble just because you don't agree with it is not the way to steer a conversation. in fact, you're only feeding the fire. so to summarise LFS isn't boring, neither is its forums. it's actually its users that are bored that's the problem. me personally, when I'm bored, i do something else. play RFactor, play PES11, play Arma2, play Vegas2.
the fact that you're bored and doing nothing about it is actually your problem and nobody elses.
And again proving my point: this thread is now definitely boring and not likely to attract any further debate on the OP topic. In fact I'm only replying cause I lack discipline.
1) Tit for tat
2) More tit for tat. That was sarcasm and it ain't dribble cause it's cogent: "go play NFS" type replies miss the point.
3)
a) I do play some other games. None of them are both sim racers or sim racers that give me the same fun as LFS does when LFS is done justice. I said this already, but I guess I have to separately repeat this to you, in this reply, for you to get it.
b) Hosting another server that'll go empty does no good. I said this already and anyone who's looked at the server list in the last couple of years knows this already.
c) Another unrealistic because uncomprehensive solution. Diamonds in the rough and all. Plus, how do you know the fridge light is off when you close the fridge?
d) "Not valid, why" - See above
Why are you reading and replying if this is so boring? Cura te ipsum.
I ain't moaning or bitching. Or maybe bitching a little, but not the moaning kind. The hungry for a fix, anxious for a proper solution type of bitching. Others can't be held responsible for your misreading.
"Children" - You don't hate to inform me, you love to. You get off on this little obsessive not-seeing-the-forest-for-the-trees argument. If kids read this forum and make childish arguments, what responsible adult would not set them straight, given a chance to? Whether or not I like them or their immaturity is immaterial to the fact that the arguments they make are childish, IE naive, inaccurate, biased, unrealistic, inconsistent, and so on.
Show me where I dismiss anything just because, by principle, it don't match my views. If you actually believe this you either never got out of school with any useful reading skills, or you're actually trying to goad me into another reply to this retardedly convoluted and useless tangent.
Yes, now that I've both gotten my point across and gotten the feedback/reality check I wanted, AND since this thread ain't attracting any further feedback to the OP (since OP is wrong and no one cares about OP), I do expect this one's run its course. Maybe someone can argue with you about that once I stop replying.
It's one thread title written by one guy. Said guy clarifies that it means LFS is as boring as its players, and that's a fact not an opinion. Yes it was ambiguous. I'm selfish enough to exploit that ambiguity. Sue me.
It's like you can't help but be as vague and obtuse as possible so conversations keep going on and on. I don't have the patience for it.
Don't see those excessively big words in anything I've said, if you mean that.
Don't see where I said that using big words makes valid arguments that otherwise were dribble, if you mean that.
They're wrong. Too bad.
Never pretended or thought so. Does the forum revolve around you? And yet many other people replied to your posts.
WTF does this truism have to do with anything?
Incorrect, see above
Incorrect, the thread is worth locking if all anyone adds anymore are "go play NFS" snipes.
And it occurs to me now that if someone else doesn't post something back on topic soon and I keep hammering your bullshit for what it is, it'll get locked presto.
Again putting my name to things I didn't say.
Is this where I point out I never said so? That's what I did previous reply. You didn't get it then and you're probably not gonna get it now or in any future replies.
Seriously? You didn't read any of this thread. Meaning what preceded this excuse for a side argument.
And looking at this post, it's way too long for way too little useful or interesting content. Over & out
how many times have you said you're not going to post in this thread any more? please stick to your word.
if you can't see that you're part of the problem then how can you have a grown up discussion about any subject on this forum.
yes you can ask for a thread to be locked, but getting it locked is a completely different matter. to then say that you'll just flame people until it is locked really shows your maturity. it also shows people how you would act if you don't get what you want.
don't forget to pick up your dummy once you spit it out
Oh but you can. Just edit the opening post > go advanced: you would see the current thread title and you are able to edit it. Of course the "last edited by..." message would appear at the bottom of the post.
E: Beaten by Flame by the time I tried if it worked
To all who are bored with LFS and don't play with a wheel, I thoroughly recommend you get one!!! I've been playing with keyboard for a while but like a lot of other people, got bored with content and the seemingly lack of development progress LFS by Scavier....but driving with a wheel has made it feel so much better for me! So much more control/feedback/fun!
if you are bored with lfs, i am a demo racer. i have 0 money in my bank acc. i have two kids, and i would love to play lfs s2. can i please have someones account if they dont want it anymore?
