yea- running into that problem. trying to find way to make it keep the changes when i log off and then come back in.. for now i just do small test on my wifes computer as mine is getting upgraded. so for now. back to building cockpit.

24GB. Whats the point jeez. I didnt even know it went past 12GB.

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24GB. Whats the point jeez.

It all depends what you want to use your machine to do. With that much 'extra' RAM (i.e. much more than you really need to just run the OS and a few apps) you can do cool things like create a RAM drive which can massively increase the performance of I/O intensive applications (e.g. video editing, database, image rendering, (some) gaming).

INTEL I5 [email protected]
2GB DDR3 Adata Dual channel
Gigabyte P67A-UD4
Nividia xfx 8500gt fatal1ty edition
1TB HDD+80GB
Samsung B2330 (23")
Creative Speakers

Im hijacking this thread again because I fail too much to deserve my own thread, but can anyone recommend Overclockers UK (or some other PC company if your think there is a better one)?

OCUK seem to have bad reviews on t'internet (e.g reviewcentre), but every company does.. I get the feeling this is just a small proportion of people who have had bad experiences and want to vent their anger and get 'revenge'

fail:dunce:

i used to use dabs.com but bad customer service made me switch to ocuk. i've never looked back. i live in N.Ireland so next day delivery takes 3 working days for me. ocuk know this and they have refunded any "special" delivery options i may have asked for but could never receive. their customer care agents are dummies but that's why i always call their tech support if i ever need to RMA something.

i've been using ocuk for the past two years and i'm quite happy with the service i get from them.
dabs don't have call centres so they do everything (badly)via email.

I've used eBuyer and dabs extensively over the last 7+ years (I added up all I'd spent and wished I hadn't (wished I hadn't added it up, that is )) and I would have to say I've had a better experience with eBuyer. Dabs certainly haven't been bad by any stretch (far from it!) but eBuyer have generally had better prices and customer service. I've only used Overclockers UK, Scan and Aria sporadically (e.g. when I couldn't find some specialist hardware on eBuyer or dabs or I could get a significantly better price), so I can't really comment on them on any long term basis. I haven't had any bad experiences to speak of, though.

I've added links to all sites mentioned for anyone who can't use Google

in my case, it took dabs 6 months to send a courier out to pick up a broken item (gpu i think). and because it took so long, they didn't have that product in stock so they gave me a refund. they refused to compensate me too (i asked for free delivery on my next purchase).
that was my last dealings with them. ATC Franky put me onto ocuk i think. i've not turned back since.
i treat ebuyer in a similar way as amp treats ocuk. but it's like most things. you'll keep buying from a shop until you have a bad customer experience with them. then you'll move onto the next one.

Quote from JO53PHS :

Im hijacking this thread again because I fail too much to deserve my own thread, but can anyone recommend Overclockers UK (or some other PC company if your think there is a better one)?

OCUK seem to have bad reviews on t'internet (e.g reviewcentre), but every company does.. I get the feeling this is just a small proportion of people who have had bad experiences and want to vent their anger and get 'revenge'

fail:dunce:

Apart from a few items that were not in stock on ocuk I have used them for my whole build. Personally I cannot fault them for their service, everything I have ordered came when they said (apart from last one but that was dpd's fault) and rma'ing my ram a couple of times was a breeze. Both posted on sat, they would of received it on mon and tuesday I had new ram. After second time it was suspected my motherboard was faulty and 'killing' a stick of ram so were willing to rma my mobo for me too, but second set it working fine.

Sounds like a suck up post but ocuk and specialtech are the only two sites I trust for buying pc stuff from these days and use without a moments worry.

Edit: Forgot to mention, dpd lost a parcel somewhere in the whole snow problems but a minute call to ocuk another was issued and received the next day.

Well i managed to get my new system up and running nothing special but seeing as it cost me all of £60 + parts from old machine i am happy

New stuff
Intel Core 2 Quad Slacr 2.4ghz should be able to get it to atleast 3ghz on air with tunig tower 120
Corsair Dominator 4gig Ram going to set at 1066mhz
Gigabyte G31M-ES2L Motherboard

Old stuff
Audigy 2 soundcard
320gig sata hdd will also add 60gig ssd in the new year
Geforce 7600GT which will also get upgraded in new year


All in all just happy i have it up and running

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Apart from a few items that were not in stock on ocuk I have used them for my whole build. Personally I cannot fault them for their service, everything I have ordered came when they said (apart from last one but that was dpd's fault) and rma'ing my ram a couple of times was a breeze. Both posted on sat, they would of received it on mon and tuesday I had new ram. After second time it was suspected my motherboard was faulty and 'killing' a stick of ram so were willing to rma my mobo for me too, but second set it working fine.

Sounds like a suck up post but ocuk and specialtech are the only two sites I trust for buying pc stuff from these days and use without a moments worry.

Edit: Forgot to mention, dpd lost a parcel somewhere in the whole snow problems but a minute call to ocuk another was issued and received the next day.

ebuyer is an absolutely brilliant site

my soon to be(on christmas) system.
AMD Athlon X3 3.1Ghz
AMD 880GM motherboard
Kingston ValueRam 4GB DDR3 1333
EVGA Geforce 460 SE Video card 1GB
Western digital 500GB 7200 RPM Harddrive
LG black 24X Dvdburner
Antec Earthwatts 650W powersupply

Acer 18.5" monitor(1366x768)

lol you don't need a 650W power supply for that system, 400W is more than enough. Also 18.5" monitor? I didn't know they still made them that small....

Quote from shiny_red_cobra :

lol you don't need a 650W power supply for that system, 400W is more than enough. Also 18.5" monitor? I didn't know they still made them that small....

A 650w would be more efficient at about 50% load than a 400w would be at 80% load, and let you upgrade to a more powerful GPU at a later date without upgrading the PSU as well.

(at least as FAH'er. I know most people will be idling 95% of the time though, but hopefully people set their power settings correctly and put it in standby!)

Quote from shiny_red_cobra :

lol you don't need a 650W power supply for that system, 400W is more than enough. Also 18.5" monitor? I didn't know they still made them that small....

the monitor i already had and i don't have any money left to get a new one.

Quote from mutt107 :

the monitor i already had and i don't have any money left to get a new one.

Maybe you would make vice choice, buy lower power supply and maybe you don't need that much save money for new monitor....

Quote from shiny_red_cobra :

lol you don't need a 650W power supply for that system, 400W is more than enough. Also 18.5" monitor? I didn't know they still made them that small....

i have a similar setup and i burned out a 700watt ocz psu that I only bought in June.
if his psu is only 80 efficient, then he'll only get ~520 watts which means he might be running his psu at peak, all the time. that what happened to my psu.

when it comes to psu's, imo, it's better to have too much power than not enough.

A 650w PSU at 80% efficiency will delivery 650w (however that was tested, peak, load etc, you get my point), but draw 812.5w from the wall.

Quote from Jakg :

A 650w PSU at 80% efficiency will delivery 650w (however that was tested, peak, load etc, you get my point), but draw 812.5w from the wall.

so you're drawing 812watts from the wall, to power a 650watt psu? is it just me or does that reak of blown psu? doesn't a 650watt psu at 80% (peak)efficiency only give you 520watts of power?

The Wattages on the PSUs are the total output power of them. The maxmum Watts are different on the various voltages too, but the sum of them is eg. 650W wich is the 80% of the input power (assuming a 650W psu with 80% efficiency). And the efficiency it not a constant. It depends on the load too. So it may be worse or better.

i was speaking from experience. the guy has a similar setup to me and i had a more powerful psu. that psu only lasted 5-6 months. it was a branded psu so the myth of branded psu's being better was also put to rest (for me).

Yeah the 80% efficiency is from pulling from the wall to the components, the 20%+ is lost to mostly heat.

Some PSU manufacturers rate their PSU based on peak output, but some also put it as the lowest constant they can output. Most seasonics and corsairs can put out a lot more than their label for short periods of time.

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so you're drawing 812watts from the wall, to power a 650watt psu? is it just me or does that reak of blown psu? doesn't a 650watt psu at 80% (peak)efficiency only give you 520watts of power?

I dont quite think you understand the use of efficiency - the wattage stated is what it actually outputs, however the efficiency decides what it takes from the wall.

i.e. if we said an engine was 50% efficient and made 200 BHP, it's making 200 BHP, but wasting so many joules through heat.

Let me rephrase that, 1000w amp at 50% efficiency delivers 1000w of sound but will require 2000w of power to do this.

NOT 1000w amp generates 500w sound / 500w waste, draws 1000w.

i appreciate that you're trying to explain this to me but tbh, you're not helping lol. the method I've been using has never failed me.

in fact, my method should have been enough to tell me that my 700watt ocz was going to blow up soon enough.
using my method that 700watts (@ 80% efficiency ) psu would only give me 560watts at peak. my system uses 596watts at 90%peak (100% peak is going to be higher). this in itself should have shown me that the 700watt psu was not going to last very long. 6 months later, my branded psu shat itself.
using your method, my psu would still be here working today. simply because it's output is higher than my requirements by over 100watts. but that's not the case. i have to RMA my psu because it failed. so, speaking from previous experience (building and repairing pc's for 10 years) i should have never bought the 700watt and went straight for an 850watt.

now, i might be wrong but at the end of the day, given my situation, my method should have warned me (at the point of purchase) the the 700watt was going to blow.