The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function and everything seems linked to that failure...watch what arithmetic is telling us: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... p;list=PL6A1FD147A45EF50D

Looks like ppls have decided to stop thinking and they prefer to believe comforting lies than troubling truth.

So, how do you stand Fram, beliving the government, or not? Just curious?
Btw, I don't belive on most of the stuff the government tells, but I'm quite happy with how things are now so I canot complain either.

Believing is something you do in a church!

I think there are no good or bad info, but there are for sure good and bad interpreters, personally I watch news from 6 different countries (France, Netherlands, England, Belgium, Canada, Switzerland) and I am well aware that everyone seems to have their own ways of seeing, interpreting and presenting news, so there seems to be many truths depending on where you live. Info’s are so manipulated today that it is very hard to be sure about anything, so I just analyze and research to the best of my abilities before I make up my mind. When I am unsure and I need to make a choice, I tend to go for save. So I think the climate model has many flows, global warming can’t be attributed to men only, but we have an undeniable negative impact on it, so I have decided to take action and I have reduced my consumption of energy by 33% in 3 years, I am very careful about products I buy and I recycle as much as possible. I do know that I can’t change the world alone, but that’s the way I am, I don’t need to follow or to be followed to make up my own mind… I am no society person, I am a natural person with free will, I only respond natural lows, so governments have close to no impact on me, whatever they say or do…

When you put things in to perspectives and draw a line 5000years before and after fossil fuels, this period we are living in is only a very small bump in the road, but we will remain in the history a very long time for our greediness, selfishness, collective blindness and stupidity….

Brilliant spoken, and I completely agree with you. If only everyone did think like that, the world would be better

And no, I am not christian sorry

I just don't understand all the fuss about so called man made global warming right NOW of all times. Europe is on the brink of destruction, greece is looking at 25 percent unemployment, spain is not far behind, germany and other countries that actually contribute money to the eu are going to have to start printing money based on nothing. Germany did this before and it was the main cause of wwii. Lack of trust in democracy and capitalism are rampant (see all the hammers and sickles at riots?) due to the utter incompetancy of our leaders, a sociopolitical environment that spawned the third reich. You guys are worried about a possible increase of a third of a degree and are willing to be taxed beyond your wildest imaginations to stop it? Get your priorities straight, when the eu gets hyperinflation, so will the us.

And as always, taxes are not charity. Giving gladly and under your own accord is charity.

Racer X....another post that's just

Americans perceive this as a partisan issue. The world is bigger, and doesn't.

well good the rest of the world can foot the bill.

Its a big world after all.

There has been a new round of leaked eMails, thought to have been obtained at the same time as the ones leaked originally, leaked.

Slashdot.org

Guardian UK

There are download links to the eMails contained within the links from the Slashdot article, but I won't post a direct link here.

I'm pretty over climategate by now, but check out Keith Kloor's latest posting if you like...

http://www.collide-a-scape.com ... -and-its-sequel/#comments

Can find a range of views over there.

Also, Steve Mosher's comments in an earlier thread there seem the most interesting to me. He co-wrote a book following climategate called 'Climategate: the CRUtape letters'.

http://www.collide-a-scape.com ... limategate/#comment-88626

Quote :

"are there any new mails that CONTRADICT the narratives I laid out. In other words, we have more context ( See brian Angliss’ complaint) does any of the new context contradict what people like me claim the mails show.

That would be interesting, showing that Mosher and Fuller got something WRONG by looking at a limited sample.

The only narratives that matter are the following

1. hide the decline mails
2. Ar4 chapter 6
3. denying FIOA
4. Gatekeeping

everything else is color commentary and boring "

Sorry Australia, good to see your good little climate change slaves according to Julia, be interesting to see the next election results there from what I'm reading.

Anyone want to see the British climate ministers second house ? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new ... tprint.html#ixzz1eDFwAAv6

He cares, yeah right !

And a look at this. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new ... obal-warning-scandal.html

And Al is well on the way to becoming a billionaire from this scam.

Yes, please clean up pollution, stop filling the world with s**t, but do you need to pay these criminals to do it ?, no.
Carbon exchange, credits are just a moneymaking scam for those who don't run a bank.

Why does earths temperature change ?, it's called the sun. It's the large glowing thing you see in the sky during the day thats proven to vary in intensity and output.
This theory accounts for the rise in temperature on all the other planets, please check easily accessable information on this.

But that's no excuse for you not to stop polluting the world with s**t !

...and somewhere a'midst all the shouting and vitriol, the money and the politics from all sides, the reality of the situation is lost. And it'll probably never be found, the scientific debate has been forever muddied by politics, human greed and passions.

Essentially the only way we'll discover the true nature of the climate now is to sit and wait to see what happens, place your bets.

Humans have an amazing ability to adapt. No matter what we do now, there WILL be a hot period, maybe even as hot as the Cretaceous period. After that there WILL be an ice age where a sizable portion of the Northern Hemisphere will be frozen and enormous glaciers may form and gouge a completely new terrain. The human politicians and scientists who are fighting about this now will be long dead before any of them are proven right or wrong. Islands will be submerged in water, new land masses will be uncovered by changing sea levels. By that time humans will have already accepted the climate and environment they live in as normal, and it will not change significantly during their lifetimes. Living today with fear and anger over what the planet will be like centuries from now is as irrational as ancient humans getting pissed because mammoth fur is itchy to wear and it got damn cold.

Remembering the 2 billion in funding, the number of countries that have 'climate taxs', not to mention increased charges for companies meeting these taxs, you'd like to think that there is some level of responsable science.

The emails, and the following open letter make clear that it's a scam.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/201 ... f-the-uea-cru/#more-52007

The science seems to involve deleting information, lying, and completely perverting science so money can win.

Sounds like a religion to me.

Bear this in mind as you pay you climate tax.

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The emails, and the following open letter make clear that it's a scam.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/201 ... f-the-uea-cru/#more-52007

The science seems to involve deleting information, lying, and completely perverting science so money can win.

Sounds like a religion to me.

Bear this in mind as you pay you climate tax.

I think you're confusing the sloppy work and fragile egos of a select group of scientists for something larger and more nefarious.

This select group of scientists did the initial research which became the basis for the politics of man made global warming. Climate change is simply not a severe enough problem to justify millions in grants and taxation. The public is gullible enough to believe that paying extra money to buy gas or drive in a city will help to change the climate of our planet. Where ego comes into it is when scientists actually believe that humans can destroy our 5 billion year old planet in only about 220 years since the industrial revolution.
When I was taught about climate change in school, they used the now debunked "hockey stick" graphs and Al Gore's film which used all of the data that is now known to have been tampered with. Soon a second generation of children in schools will be taught about climate change with no one to present science opposing that theory of which there is plenty. This education of school children is vital if the government wants to continue using climate change to issue new and increasing taxation on the public, and to continue giving grants to scientists who do most of their work in front of legislative bodies rather than in a laboratory.

Acting like mans inventions and decisions have no effect what so ever on the world around us is just being ignorant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... p;feature=player_embedded
http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarm ... MmBgKK7g7MCFQMFnQodZHMAFg

How about you sheeple stop listening to the Mainstream media which is owned and controlled by the elite 1% of the world and listen to the people who actually know what they are talking about and don't have financial interests in keeping this cycle going.

Common sense, pollution and airborne particles get trapped in the atmosphere causing the suns rays to be trapped in the lower atmopshere thus heating the earth and causing global warming.

Although local temperatures fluctuate naturally, over the past 50 years the average global temperature has increased at the fastest rate in recorded history.

This image is from NASA.



The governments want you to keep spending and using energy like we will never run out because most of them have some sort of interest in the energy markets. WAKE UP. As little as 1 degree change can melt ice if the conditions are right.

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The governments want you to keep spending and using energy like we will never run out because most of them have some sort of interest in the energy markets. WAKE UP. As little as 1 degree change can melt ice if the conditions are right.

Yes the governments DO want you to keep spending and as such they charge high for the price of guilt.


FEEL GUILTY ABOUT USING ALOT OF ENERGY SO YOU WON'T DISPUTE THE INCREASED COST!


It's mainstream media that tell us mostly that global warming will kill all our children. Or is it Global cooling now? Oh no, now they just call it climate change...

If you look at the image for more than 2 seconds you should notice the entire northern half of the globe recorded surface temperatures of atleast 0.5 degrees or more, with the highest changes being recorded in the arctic and north pole. All directly above the largest populations on the planet.

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with the highest changes being recorded in the arctic and north pole. All directly above the largest populations on the planet.

Are you for real? Or did suddenly China move to the north pole?

Quote from BlueFlame :

Are you for real? Or did suddenly China move to the north pole?

Are you stupid?
I said directly north of the largest populations.

The earth is round remember, last time i check that means that above china and india would be north, and the last time i checked heat rises so if the earth is round and heat rises where would all the changes be seen? Directly at the north pole and arctic due to the fact that physics don't lie.

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I said directly north of the largest populations.

The earth is round remember, last time i check that means that above china and india would be north, and the last time i checked heat rises so if the earth is round and heat rises where would all the changes be seen? Directly at the north pole and arctic due to the fact that physics don't lie.

1] You actually said ABOVE, not North. There's a difference and 2] Heat doesn't flow north, it flows upward and outward to the core of the earth until it cools down enough filter with the rest of the matter in the sky.

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it flows upward and outward to the core of the earth until it cools down enough filter with the rest of the matter in the sky.

It has to pass through the ground to reach the core and that would mean it would have to SINK into the ground and not RISE into the atmosphere. You don't know what you are talking about and its very apparent.

Ill put up the dumby friendly picture for you.