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MG cost to insure: £4000+

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Will check out the old saab tomorrow but head is killing me keep suggestions coming mate ta.
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looks like you can buy a 2000 focus ZX3 standard for 1250 pounds and insure it for only 1000 pounds per year!

shit wrong country sry
Quote from Jakg :(don't look at the ZR / ZS - much more to insure. And much, much worse).

How much of a fanboy are you? The ZS is the best of the Z range. It borrows it's floor plan from the Honda Accord so has double wishbones all around, setup for a slightly sporty car and if you look around you can get one with the Honda engine (easy to spot as it is in backwards), so you can enjoy petrol fun and not worry about the head imploding like you get on the K-Series.

The ZR and ZT are the worst of the range for sporty characteristics, the latter being like trying to race around in a barge, chuck in the heavy diesel lump and you're understeering everywhere. The only advantage to the ZT is Barry hasn't molested many of them so you can still get one in original spec.

That all said, you have to be stupid to by a Rover in drag.
I can vouch for the Renault Laguna and Ford Focus.

My brother had a 2006 Renault Laguna 120 DCi Estate. It was a lovely car, with great spec and good performance from the Diesel engine. Reliability wise, they are not great but not terrible either. Common issues are the Diesel injectors will pack up and will result in the engine running badly. Can be quite costly to fix.

The Gearbox is not great. The feel is OK, but can be notchy. Also, the gearsets are hand finished when built in the factory. This usually results in noticeable Gearbox whine when doing high speed. Bare in mind though that it is not loud and can easily be ignored, and some cars gearboxes will be louder than others, depending on the mileage and quality of the hand finish. Also, the output shaft on the gearbox sometimes like to split. It's not very common for them to do this, but isn't unheard of. They are pretty nice cars to drive. The seats are comfortable, the steering is good and the clutch is nice. My only issues were the ride can be a little crashy at times (My Brothers did have the large 17-inch wheels though.) and the stereo wasn't great. This may not bother you, but I am a huge audiophile so I wasn't impressed with it at all. My Brother had no issues with his apart from his Air-Con pump packing up, which was a pig of a job to do. I'm not aware of the Air-Con pump being a common issue with the Laguna diesels, but if it does happen to you and you don't have the tools/skills to fix it yourself, prepare for a big bill from a garage to repair it.

As for the Focus, these are fantastic cars. I had the pleasure of using a 2009 1.8 5-door model while I searched for another car to buy while my Accord was (and still is! ) off the road, and I loved every second of driving it. It may just be a Focus, but they are seriously underrated. The steering is electric (Only on the Face lift models I believe?) but don't let this put you off. It has great feel, and you can adjust the level of resistance/weight. The ride comfort is pretty nice and certainly good enough for every day driving. There can sometimes be a lot of noise intrusion when going over bumps, and the model I was driving had the smaller 16-inch wheels, so bare that in mind if you buy one with the optional 18/19-inch wheels.

The Gearboxes on these cars are lovely to use. The feel is nothing short of fantastic, providing very smooth yet involving gear changes. The only time I have ever felt a gearbox as nice as this was in my Accord, as Honda have always made nice gearboxes. The Engine was good for a 1.8. It provided plenty of poke and loved to rev, yet was very economical. I can't really think of any common issues on these. I would suggest avoiding the TDCi though. While I know the temptation of effortless torque is hard to resist, bare in mind the TDCi's love to eat injectors for breakfast. Providing your insurance is not too expensive, go for a 1.8 or 2.0 petrol. They are a much better all rounder.

Hopefully that is of some use to you. I can't really think of any suggestions on any other cars to buy. The only think I could suggest is that if you are going to be spending £6000 on a car, don't spend it on a tiny hatchback. Get something larger that would be easier to live with for years to come. A larger car does not necessarily mean a larger insurance premium.
Quote from Nathan_French_14 :[Laguna Stuff]

Having worked on a few Lagunas from the last 8 years, the biggest problem with them is Renault made a lot of parts to destructively sacrifice themselves if the engine meets requirements which _could_ result in disaster. One of the cars I had in had blown most components of intake and exhaust and had broken the camshaft fail safe, if a piston hits a valve the stress snaps a small pin which turns the cam into a free wheeler. Took an age to sort out, most because I was unaware of this until that point. And the engine bay is very inaccessible. I had to remove damn near all of the front end to get to where I needed to be and for one Laguna I had in, the book said you had to remove the front of the car (bumpers, grills, cross members, etc) which made a rad change every expensive.

[edit: Just remembered there are also a few parts on the engine which WILL break when you take them off, which is annoying if you've just fitted a new part then find you have to remove it again to get to something else as it will break so you have to get another one. EGR springs to mind as a prime candidate.]

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :[Focus Stuff]

A bit of injector cleaner goes a long way with the Focus diesel, but the engines are tanks, they will out live the body (thanks to Fords being rust prone). The biggest issue I've every come across is the EGR getting bunged up (a blast down the motorway with high revs for about 30 minutes is the Ford way of fixing that problem) and the turbo shitting the bed.

Quote from Nathan_French_14 :A larger car does not necessarily mean a larger insurance premium.

This is very true, as insurance involves a lot of numbers in a hat, a unusual car that Barry won't have had many crashes in will bring down your premiums as you're suddenly a smaller risk than if you hopped in a Corsa or something of the sort.
Have insurance rates suddenly shot up for 19 year olds or have you only recently passed your test? I had a Ford Puma (1.6) when I was 19 @ £1500ish a year FC. Cheap to buy and insurance is reasonable, maybe worth a look?
Hi guys thanks for the info.

I think the Focus diesel would be be for me because I do 50 miles a day and would reduce running costs.

I have been looking at Golf Mk5 1.9 TDI SE/Sport (105) as these all seem to have cruise control (which would be a good feature for me) and also from Googling, you can easily have iPod fitted, at the expense of losing the CD player (which if I had the iPod would not affect me). I'm really getting into the idea of having one of these.

These are between £4250 and £5250 to buy, depending on milage, I can find plenty of FSH Golfs which have done around 85k and had the timing belts changed, in good nick, for under £5000, and these would cost me £3200 to insure. I'm leaning towards one of these as I also like the look, image and general feel...will be checking Audi A3's etc but not holding out hope as they seem to hold their value better.

Not really wanting a Ford Puma Ti, basically they are a Fiesta and I'm looking to buy a car I can keep for years with low day to day running costs which I could sell in a few years without losing a fortune because of rust!
That is a hell of a lot for insurance, have you searched around a lot? Tried going fully comp with a reasonable voluntary excess etc?

The mk5 Golfs are good in general, feel solid etc (I've got a mk5 GT TDI myself).

Focuses are supposed to be very good to drive for the money too.

Be careful though, just because buying a newish car is cheap, they can be fairly pricey to fix if they go wrong. I bought my Golf with ~30k on the clock and that had a couple of things go wrong this year that cost £1500 to fix. You just can't tell how things are going to work out.

Also, after owning the diesel for a year I definitely want to get something petrol and fun to go alongside it. Sure the my engine is punchy as hell, but it's not a very fun drive. Bear that in mind
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I'm gonna take a stab in the dark here, but I think it may be because he is going to be doing a lot of Motorway driving to/from work, and the Corsa is not suitable. If I remember rightly, his Corsa has been lowered (most likely with cheap eBay springs) so I wouldn't be surprised if the ride is crashy and tedious after a while. Also, I doubt a Corsa like his would have things like Cruise Control/Climate Control and all these other creature comforts he wants.

IMO though, I think he should seriously avoid getting something tiny like a Hyundai i20. If I was him, I would buy something much larger but still cheap to insure. I doubt these are too bad on insurance...

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2425472.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2412384.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2372978.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2394121.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2233699.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2367223.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1805764.htm
He crashed it.
Quote :Not really wanting a Ford Puma Ti, basically they are a Fiesta and I'm looking to buy a car I can keep for years with low day to day running costs which I could sell in a few years without losing a fortune because of rust!

All very good points actually!
i think a generic taxi is in order.

toyota avensis with the d4d and leather would be ideal and far more pimpin then a corsa.
Quote from Nathan_French_14 :http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2412384.htm

I'd advise against a Mondeo Mk3. The rear subframes like to ruin their bushes, the last one that came in where I worked was an '02, had only done round town miles, around 65k for an 8 year old car it wasn't very high and the bushes had failed on the MoT. The only replacement bushes come in a whole new subframe package, which is around £1,200 worth of metal. Add labour on top and you can see why a lot of them had an early grave. I'd make sure there are after market bushes which slide in (is it PolyFlex everyone bangs on about?) available if you want a Mk3.
Quote from pb32000 :Explains the insurance cost?

I don't know, it wasn't a heavy crash :|. If I recall correctly, only the front end suffered some minor damage.
Quote from Nathan_French_14 :I'm gonna take a stab in the dark here, but I think it may be because he is going to be doing a lot of Motorway driving to/from work, and the Corsa is not suitable. If I remember rightly, his Corsa has been lowered (most likely with cheap eBay springs) so I wouldn't be surprised if the ride is crashy and tedious after a while. Also, I doubt a Corsa like his would have things like Cruise Control/Climate Control and all these other creature comforts he wants.

IMO though, I think he should seriously avoid getting something tiny like a Hyundai i20. If I was him, I would buy something much larger but still cheap to insure. I doubt these are too bad on insurance...

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2425472.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2412384.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2372978.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2394121.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2233699.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2367223.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1805764.htm

Cheap ebay springs or not, it handled well and stuck like shit to a blanket. Maybe that was the tyres, but hey. Yup, something more respectable and something better for much longer stints behind the wheel. Plus I am sick of being looked at like I'm some sort of knife weilding chav when I just aren't.

Many of those cars you have linked too are way too expensive to insure, I'm looking for group 6/7 insurance at most, something 307 size yes. But not french. Still haven't been tempted away from these MK5 Golf's as yet! Respectable, pretty reliable, should hold value fairly well, economical, plus can get the all important iPod kit, plus basically every SE spec model out there has cruise control!

Hopefully I have a buyer for my bike who will be coming down this week..I mean, sure I'd love a Mondeo or especially an Accord but as yet, way too much to insure.
Also just managed to get a quote for £2161.85. Result.

Provided everything goes well with the possible sale of my bike this week, I will have this car come Saturday/Sunday.
What's wrong with your Corsa? I would sell the Corsa, not that cool bike.
Well my mates other half has just got one of these only cost her about 3 grand or so, and as she is only 19, and as she rolled one of her previous car onto its roof and into a field just after she had passed her test (it was me that saw her crash and dragged her out of the wreck) so i doubt she has the best insurance history in the world either.

Hers is a 5 door and has chrome alloys on it, but the same colour as this one, its a very nice car IMO.
if you need comfort get a french banger, its not got japanese relyablity but haven fixed a fair few they are rather simple and cheap to keep going, low enough insurance and comfortable. Ive actually got a liking for the 106 xsi/gti but i have to wait till they edge a little further towards cult status. 3 door clip are Very Very fun too, so light and slapping in a 1.8 turbo laguna engine = instant win.
Bugatti Veyron

Or that new V8-powered Ariel Atom.
Quote from danthebangerboy :Well my mates other half has just got one of these only cost her about 3 grand or so, and as she is only 19, and as she rolled one of her previous car onto its roof and into a field just after she had passed her test (it was me that saw her crash and dragged her out of the wreck) so i doubt she has the best insurance history in the world either.

Hers is a 5 door and has chrome alloys on it, but the same colour as this one, its a very nice car IMO.

This.
well just skimming i could recomend a dodge caliber.

it is nice, well designed, very nice stereo, no ipod support stock, but there are ways around. and it isnt diesel, but its still overall pretty much perfect for you i believe?
If you're going to get a Golf, please please please get a mk5 and not a mk4. They're worlds apart. Neither are particularly inspiring but at least the mk5 drives fairly well.



Better yet - youll never go fast enough to have a crash. But it will feel like you do.

Go-karting for the road!
I had one, and it is excellent (traded it for an eos, since I got 2 kids...)

Help me choose a new car
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