Quote from dadge :

thin round tyres would be perfect for your bike too.

I haven't seen a lot of tires that are not round

Quote from rich uk :

Thats a jump bike not a trials bike though.

you're thinking street trails this is downhill trails both of which originated from BMX.

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

I haven't seen a lot of tires that are not round

i'm really resisting the urge to post an off road tyre and discuss contact areas. lol.

dadge I know (and everyone I have ever spoken to) "downhill trails" to be dirt jumping. bikes are known as dirt bikes or jump bikes. Maybe Ireland is strange (I imagine this is the case)

Quote from rich uk :

dadge I know (and everyone I have ever spoken to) "downhill trails" to be dirt jumping. bikes are known as dirt bikes or jump bikes. Maybe Ireland is strange (I imagine this is the case)

xgame must have it wrong then. the trails books i've read must also be wrong. those would be books written by the professionals. not the cool kids on the street. my bad.

Maybe you can't read properly?
Books < Life

Quote from rich uk :

Maybe you can't read properly?
Books < Life

yeah, education is for losers. thank god your friends didn't call it tellytubbybumming eh. it seems my work here's done. laters.

How did you know the slang name for it!

Quote from dadge :

trails bike is a completely different beast m8. for competition, you'd remove the seat altogether. single geared too for an even torque/speed balance. like a BMX with mountain bike handle bars.

that seat weights only ~200g with seatpost. I don't want to fall between tyre and frame or even on the frame.. The thing is single geared already

Quote from rich uk :

dadge I know (and everyone I have ever spoken to) "downhill trails" to be dirt jumping. bikes are known as dirt bikes or jump bikes. Maybe Ireland is strange (I imagine this is the case)

This is a dirt bike for dirt jumping parks/trails. Dirt jumping is for hardtrail bikes. Downhill is a different thing with different trails and for full suspension bikes with more travel.

in competition most people would remove the seat only because it give a few more inches clearance for landing bigger jumps. and 200g less going over a jump is better than 200g more .
unless you were going into a competition, i wouldn't remove the seat. for everyday use, imo it's the wrong bike for the job. your bike is more of a specialist bike. it's a bit like using a racing bike on a half pipe.

Quote from rich uk :

Get a single speed bike and avoid all of these problems

But then that would make you a massive, massive prick

Seat also helps you to do tricks, so they don't remove it in competitions. You couldn't do superman without the seat and all that stuff.

if you have a trick that requires holding onto your saddle then it's obvious you would want to keep it attached to the bike. but if you're attempting a 15ft gap, i'd take it off.

Well dirt bikes are for tricks so what do you expect

not every routine has a seat grab. flairs require 0 seat grabbing. same for back flips and grinds. most/all handlebar tricks require no seat interaction either. manuals don't need the seat either.

I wouldn't take if off with a large gap at all. if you come down a bit awkwardly you want ass to land on a bit of padded and not have your arse cheeks ripped apart by your top tube :X

Quote from rich uk :

I wouldn't take if off with a large gap at all. if you come down a bit awkwardly you want ass to land on a bit of padded and not have your arse cheeks ripped apart by your top tube :X

or be confident in your own skill level to know you're going to make the jump without having to cushion your bunger. are you just trying to be argumentative?

Quote from dadge :

or be confident in your own skill level to know you're going to make the jump without having to cushion your bunger. are you just trying to be argumentative?

well he is right... haven't seen one pro competitor with seat taken off. and I don't wonder why.

Quote from Tomba(FIN) :

a simple google search shows; "well he is right... haven't seen one pro competitor with seat taken off. and I don't wonder why.

Trials mountain bikes are set up very specifically for the purpose of bicycle trials. Two varieties of trials bike exist, those with 26" wheels (referred to as 'stock') and those with 20" wheels (referred to as 'mod' - because historically they were modified BMX bikes). They typically have no suspension at all, though some still make use of some form of it. Competition rules require stock bikes to have multiple gears for competition, but most riders never use their shifters. Competition rules do not require mod bikes to have any gears. Many non-competitive riders run single-speed, choosing a fairly low-speed, high-torque gear. Most modern trials bikes have no seat at all, as the rider spends all of his time out of the saddle. These bikes are significantly lighter than almost all other mountain bikes, ranging from 15 to 25 pounds. This makes manoeuvring the bike much easier."

http://alexalusandel.blogspot.com/

keep wondering.

trials are different from dirt bikes. very different.You don't even do jumps in trial bike that you do in dirt trails or dirt parks / street parks.

and so the cycle repeats...

what are you trying to say? you're saying trial motored bikes are the same than motocross bikes for example?

this thread is only 2 pages deep. give it another read. you might want to check out the history of bikes too.

Quote from Tomba(FIN) :

you're saying trial motored bikes are the same than motocross bikes for example?

no. but ask yourself this, before there were trails bikes, what was used? before there was mountain bikes, what was used?

Dadge I don't see what you're missing. Dirt jumping is always done with saddles on. trials (the hopping about on back wheels like a loon) sometimes have no saddles yes. but you're getting them mixed up. (my turn to be patronizing and link you 2 videos now!)

Trials riding Dirt jumping


Tadaaa!

Quote from rich uk :

Dadge I don't see what you're missing. Dirt jumping is always done with saddles on. trials (the hopping about on back wheels like a loon) sometimes have no saddles yes. but you're getting them mixed up. (my turn to be patronizing and link you 2 videos now!)

Trials riding Dirt jumping


Tadaaa!

if you think i was being patronising then that unfortunate. i linked the videos because it was easier than trying to explain in words. bike trails didn't start on the street. it started in the countryside. before seats were removed, ordinary bike were used. there design became more specific to their owners usage.
listen guys, i'm done with this. i've given the OP advice which i thought was sound. and now it's turned into a "it's called blah blah blah" match.

it's been......something.