Quote from Crashgate3 :

So why hasn't this technology that can make an unstreamlined craft 71 metres across do 40,000kmh at low altitude ever been reproduced or reaearched further, even by the military? I'd have thought the widespread damage and deafening sonic booms heard hundreds of miles away would have alerted someone.

Why hasn't this reasearch that somehow magically allows magnetic fields to affect gravity and mass been tried again or found independently? Adding lots of big words to a web article does not make it a physics paper.

Magnetic fields do affect gravity and mass, assuming that the said affecting objects are magnets themselves..

You need something for the magnets to push against, or you end up with the 4-chan 'problem Einstein?' image macro situation. You can't fly by trying to climb up your own leg.

Also, they don't affect gravity or mass. An object levitated by a magnet has exactly the same mass and has exactly the same force of gravity acting on it.

Quote from Crashgate3 :

So why hasn't this technology that can make an unstreamlined craft 71 metres across do 40,000kmh at low altitude ever been reproduced or reaearched further, even by the military? I'd have thought the widespread damage and deafening sonic booms heard hundreds of miles away would have alerted someone.

Why hasn't this reasearch that somehow magically allows magnetic fields to affect gravity and mass been tried again or found independently? Adding lots of big words to a web article does not make it a physics paper.

It has been researched.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U ... h_%281955%E2%80%931974%29

Not long after World War II ended, Coincidence?

Also here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gravity

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-efield.asp

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/unify.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E ... %28solid-state_physics%29



To say that no research has been done is one thing, but to make a statement to say that it is impossible for humans to expand their travel beyond primitave fuel burning rockets or even solar wind sails is just damn right narrow minded.

The Quantum Gravity theory is not a closed and finished book, it is updated through human technological advancement.

http://www.weburbia.com/pg/qugrav.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_gravity

Quote from Crashgate3 :

You need something for the magnets to push against, or you end up with the 4-chan 'problem Einstein?' image macro situation. You can't fly by trying to climb up your own leg.

Also, they don't affect gravity or mass. An object levitated by a magnet has exactly the same mass and has exactly the same force of gravity acting on it.

There is magnetic fields through-out the universe.

This isn't some tweak to existing theories, or a new theory to explain some repeatable, observed effects, it's a claim by a not-particularly-reputable website that magnetic fields - a relatively well-understood subject - can somehow affect gravity, a subject not well understood mainly due to the fact that it *doesn't* observably affect other effects (such as electromagnesim ) apart from mass making it so bloody hard to pull apart fundamentally.

Quote from FPVaaron :

It has been researched.

Sucessful reasearch? Peer-reviewed research leading to the explanation and reproduction of similar effects and vehicle types? Why aren't the US Air Force raining fire down from the sky over Afghanistan in 100-metre, Mach 50 capable flying-saucers?

Quote from FPVaaron :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U ... h_%281955%E2%80%931974%29

Quote from The same article :

None of the reported experimental breakthroughs published during the 1950s and 1960s have been recognized by the aerospace community.

Quote from FPVaaron :

Also here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gravity

Quote from The same article :

There are numerous newer theories that add onto general relativity or replace it outright, and some of these appear to allow anti-gravity-like solutions. However, according to the current generally accepted physical theories and according to the directions of physical research, there are no indications for anti-gravity to be possible.[1][2][3]

Quote from FPVaaron :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E ... %28solid-state_physics%29

Which just explains how adding a mass term to caclulations allows the movement of electrons in a solid to be explained using Newtonian Physics

Quote from FPVaaron :

http://www.blazelabs.com/f-efield.asp
http://www.weburbia.com/pg/qugrav.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_gravity
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/unify.html

Quantum gravity is a possible way of investigating and explaining gravity on a quantum level, it's not a way of building a magical antigravity device. That e-field article mentions huge amounts of energy stored in the earth's magnetic field, but that figure of 7000MJ for the potential electrical energy stored in the atmosphere, when spread out over the earth's surface (5.1*10^14 square m) becomes roughly 3.5 milliJoules per square metre. And that's assuming your device is 100% efficient.

Quote from FPVaaron :

There is magnetic fields through-out the universe.

By far the strongest magnetic field experienced on earth is that of the Earth itself. It's just about strong enough to move a compass needle if it's held very still and in such a way to be almost frictionless.

Assuming you do have some magical gravity-manipulating propulsion source that can levitate and accelerate these things (for a quoted continuous 55 hours) it still doesn't explain how something with a cross-section of over 1000 square metres can plough through the lower atmosphere at 57 times the speed of sound. There's a reason meteors leave a flaming trail behind them.

Quote from Blas89 :

I, being mexican, believe [...] believe in aliens.

most of them illegal i suspect

Quote from Crashgate3 :

You need something for the magnets to push against, or you end up with the 4-chan 'problem Einstein?' image macro situation. You can't fly by trying to climb up your own leg.

Also, they don't affect gravity or mass. An object levitated by a magnet has exactly the same mass and has exactly the same force of gravity acting on it.

Well, you are correct, but from what you see, the gravity 'speed' is reduced by the electro magnetism. An object suspended by electro magnetism will appear to be immune to the effects of gravity.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Well, you are correct, but from what you see, the gravity 'speed' is reduced by the electro magnetism. An object suspended by electro magnetism will appear to be immune to the effects of gravity.

It would be somewhat of an inconvenience having a massive magnet travelling along the ground at mach 57 just to keep a saucer in the air.

Quote from FPVaaron :

There is a 200x50km lake 4000 meters under an antarctic ice sheet the lake is at a life sustaining temperature, shortly after it was discovered private research was forbidden and it was made classified.

B.S, your source? There are lots of scientists down there most of the year + half the world has laid claim to a slice of it. I never knew it was so popular.

http://www.antarcticconnection ... ctic/stations/index.shtml

No way. 19,000 metres/second is slow! Its only 70,000 km/h. That's only nearly 2 circumnavigations of the earth per hour!

Quote from DeKo :

It would be somewhat of an inconvenience having a massive magnet travelling along the ground at mach 57 just to keep a saucer in the air.

Well, I don't remember saying that I supported that theory
Although, the world itself creates a magnetic field....

Yes. A magnetic field just strong enough to allow a piece of metal with no resistance to point the correct way. That's not very strong.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

That's not very strong.

Obviously the sarcasm was.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Well, you are correct, but from what you see, the gravity 'speed' is reduced by the electro magnetism. An object suspended by electro magnetism will appear to be immune to the effects of gravity.

In much the same way as an object suspended by hot air will appear to be immune to the effects of gravity. The only differences is upon what the reaction force is acting. In the case of the hot air ballon, it's the atmosphere. In the case of a magnet, it's another magnet of reverse polarity. The latter is not very practical for transportation unless you have a big long track that is literally a magnet (i.e. maglev trains).

Quote from Forbin :

In much the same way as an object suspended by hot air will appear to be immune to the effects of gravity. The only differences is upon what the reaction force is acting. In the case of the hot air ballon, it's the atmosphere. In the case of a magnet, it's another magnet of reverse polarity. The latter is not very practical for transportation unless you have a big long track that is literally a magnet (i.e. maglev trains).

Doesn't the bullet train run on an electromagnetic rail?

Mag-lev trains. Where the track is effectively a giant magnet, along with the car, thus creating magnetic repulsion and then used to create propulsion.

Bullet trains are known to be of both conventional wheel-on-rail and mag-lev type.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L ... cles#Conventional_wheeled

Bumpity.

Make what you want of it.

Still kinda interesting.

"Guy Hottel", seriously?

original:
http://vault.fbi.gov/hottel_gu ... %20Part%201%20of%201/view

Quote from FPVaaron :

The first Stealth plane flew in 1944, jet powered and could fly at over 1000km/h, was not made public until decades later (1944 fighter planes still used single prop old technology design)
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multi ... 1438/stealth_1438973c.jpg

Been said before, but thats not a stealth plane - it's just a flying wing.

Quote from FPVaaron :

There is a 200x50km lake 4000 meters under an antarctic ice sheet the lake is at a life sustaining temperature, shortly after it was discovered private research was forbidden and it was made classified.

Quote from anttt69 :

B.S, your source? There are lots of scientists down there most of the year + half the world has laid claim to a slice of it. I never knew it was so popular.

http://www.antarcticconnection ... ctic/stations/index.shtml

I think you mean Lake Vostok.

Aliens? Yep, here I am.