well, i own a radeon 9600 pro, and my pc randomly crashes on open gl games.
no problems with direct x only open gl.
currently running the 6.3 drivers tried few older drivers same problem (with some even worse problems).
downloaded now actual omega drivers, but since i have absolutley no clue bout that cuz i havent tried omega drivers yet, i wanna ask if its any better (worth it) or if somebody knows a solution for my problem.
and btw i doesnt even get much fps with that card cmon it isnt that cheap (athlon 2600+ not so slow too ^^).
well much words from me. hopefully some of u guys have any idea what to do
any help welcome

What Open GL games are you trying to play?

Support for most Open GL stuff is almost non existent nowadays I think.

erm.... Enemy Territory and Albatross18
the second isnt really old tho....

erm.......BUMP
cmon some1

Saying "it crashes" isn't really helpful honestly.

Does it crash as to a Blue Screen or does it crash to the desktop?
Is there an error message displayed, if so what is it?

my whole pc freezes, and after like 1 min it restarts by itself.
no errors at all.
got omega drivers since few days, but that didnt fix it.
nothing overclocked, ram ok, temp of graphic card is fine cpu also.

Windows XP?

If so:

Right click "My Computer" >> Manage >> Event Viewer (expand) >> System

You're looking for Type of "Error" with a source of "System Error" and a date / time around the time it happened to you last.


Double click on entry and hopefully the description will have some information like this in it;

Error code 1000008e, parameter1 c0000005, parameter2 80568e68, paameter3 f216a474, parameter4 00000000.

Highlight and copy that information (you have to use CTRL + C) and paste it back here.

erm...... atapi? sounds right? no idea
anyway.. here it is.

bytes:
0000: 0f 00 50 00 01 00 a4 00 ..P...¤.
0008: 00 00 00 00 09 00 04 c0 .......À
0010: 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0018: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0028: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0030: 00 00 00 00 07 00 00 00 ........
0038: 40 00 00 0e 00 00 00 00 @.......
0040: ff 20 0a 12 48 01 00 10 ÿ ..H...
0048: 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 ........
0050: 50 81 5b 86 30 11 7b 86 P?[†0.{†
0058: 00 00 00 00 30 fb 63 86 ....0ûc†
0060: 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
0068: 4a 01 00 00 40 00 00 00 J...@...
0070: 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........


words:
0000: 0050000f 00a40001 00000000 c0040009
0010: 00000100 00000000 00000000 00000000
0020: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
0030: 00000000 00000007 0e000040 00000000
0040: 120a20ff 10000148 00000000 00000004
0050: 865b8150 867b1130 00000000 8663fb30
0060: 00000001 00000000 0000014a 00000040
0070: 00000008 00000000

any usefull?

Nope, you got the wrong stuff.

Okay, let's do this, look in c:\windows\mindump and see if you have any files name Mini<date>-0n.dmp.

If you have some, email the two most recent ones.

der.jackal AT gmail DOT com

today it crashed on lfs!
now im gonna cry.....
whats up -.-

Ok, major generalisation!

A computer that goes from working to soft rebooting is unlikely to just be suffering from software issues. I'd suggest checking the following:

Make sure all add in cards are seated properly/cables plugged in etc.

Temperature of:
CPU
Graphics Card
Motheboard (just the chips with heatsinks)
Power supply

Disable all overclocking, there is no point testing a system if you OCing.

If, having done all that, you still get the same problem:

Get windows to load as little as possible on startup and try and replicate the error. Albatros 18 is a very simple game and should not really tax any system. If it continues to crash, delete your current video drivers, then use a driver cleaner, THEN install the latest 6.5 Catalysts. Not the beta 6.6 (or have they been released official now?) Regardless, the latest drivers from ATI directly. If you STILL have the problem try to replicate the problem without opengl. If you still have the original Half-Life you can swap renderer to Opengl and D3D, as does Unreal and Unreal Tournament.

What games have you tried in D3D that _do_ work, is it unstable in any other game/scenario?

In regards to your second statement, an Athlon 2600 is actually not that quick, LFS is predominately CPU dependant not graphics card. Your FPS will be limited by your CPU until you upgrade to about a 3000+. My little Sempron 2800 is not a bad performer but I can get drops to <30fps unless I OC it.

Quote from TiJay :

Calculate your PSU requirements and see if they exceed 400W. A calculator can be easily found on Google.

There's no way in hell he's exceeding 400W. Only the hottest, most power hungry systems these days pull around 300W under full load:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2717&p=4

I'm running a hotter CPU (Athlon XP 3000+) and a hotter graphics card (6800GT) on a 4-year old 250W PSU with no problems. Granted, I'm probably really pushing it, but I don't have problems with stability.

Well, something is wonky here. It's hard to tell exactly what is going on here w/o a full memory dump, but;


The first minidump you sent me is straight forward stuff,

THREAD_STUCK_IN_DEVICE_DRIVER.

This is usually one of two things, the drivers have a bug in them which causes the offending thread to spin wildly (like a failed test condition or something simple) or the hardware itself fails to respond to a request in a timely enough manner. In this particular case it looks as though the ATI driver is attempting to handle a mode change (possibly changing to OpenGL, don't screw around w/ video card drivers that much so.. *shrugs*).

kd> u ati2dvag!CMMPostSetModeNotification+0x79 -0x10
ati2dvag!CMMPostSetModeNotification+0x69:
bf9f553b 8b4074 mov eax,[eax+0x74]
bf9f553e 8945ec mov [ebp-0x14],eax
bf9f5541 8d45cc lea eax,[ebp-0x34]
bf9f5544 50 push eax
bf9f5545 ff159c05a1bf call dword ptr [ati2dvag!gCMMcalls+0x5c (bfa1059c)]
bf9f554b c9 leave
bf9f554c c20400 ret 0x4
bf9f554f cc int 3
kd>

These look like the latest ATI drivers...
kd> kd> kd> lm t m ati*
start end module name
bf9d3000 bfa15000 ati2dvag Tue Feb 21 19:46:46 2006 (43FBDEA6)
bfa15000 bfa54000 ati2cqag Tue Feb 21 19:04:48 2006 (43FBD4D0)
bfa54000 bfa8a000 atikvmag Tue Feb 21 19:11:01 2006 (43FBD645)
bfa8a000 bfd0db80 ati3duag Tue Feb 21 19:30:43 2006 (43FBDAE3)
bfd0e000 bfde0140 ativvaxx Tue Feb 21 19:24:28 2006 (43FBD96C)
f7451000 f75cf000 ati2mtag Tue Feb 21 19:46:24 2006 (43FBDE90)
kd>

If there's a bug in the ATI driver(s), it's possible the Omega's have carried the same bug forward so I doubt they would be much of a fix for you.

The next two are a little more concerning;DRIVER_UNLOADED_WITHOUT_CANCELLING_PENDING_OPERATIONS.

Both of them have screwed up dumps (usually an indicator of something tromping on memory) and again w/o a full dump it's hard to tell who caused that problem because I can't rebuild the call stack. I'd suggest it's still a problem with the ATI card / drivers because of your scenarios. My first suggestion would be to download some driver cleaning utilities;

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1275

Reboot the system and try installing the latest batch of drivers.


As it also seems to be getting progressively worse and more common in DirectX games as well, it's possible that the card itself is failing. Worst case scenario though.

well..
everything is plugged in fine.
my temperatures are fine - cpu around 48 C , graphic around 25 - 30 C, the motherboard chips are "cool" too.
nothing OC at all.
my powersupply is 400 W and not old at all (my first died few months ago ^^).
i have tried all drivers from 4.xx up to the actual drivers, same thing.
erm..dun have half life or so so cant try that.
and it doesnt crash alot, sometimes it runs a week without a crash, then later i have 3 crashes at the same day.
really wierd.
and my cpu is athlon xp 2600 + (forgot xp ^^), not that cheap

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well..
everything is plugged in fine.
my temperatures are fine - cpu around 48 C , graphic around 25 - 30 C, the motherboard chips are "cool" too.
nothing OC at all.
my powersupply is 400 W and not old at all (my first died few months ago ^^).
i have tried all drivers from 4.xx up to the actual drivers, same thing.
erm..dun have half life or so so cant try that.
and it doesnt crash alot, sometimes it runs a week without a crash, then later i have 3 crashes at the same day.
really wierd.
and my cpu is athlon xp 2600 + (forgot xp ^^), not that cheap

XP get dirty during some period and heavily if you installed/uninstalled many programs resulting in such a weird behaviour.
I know that people dont like this suggestion but simply FORMAT your XP partion and install XP again with all your program you need.It doesnt take so much time.

Clean system works faster and more stable.

already uninstalled the driver twice with an driver cleaner earlier.
didnt help.
well, im looking forward for new drivers coming out...maybe that will fix it.

yea ur right, i dont like this suggestion :>
40 gigs of software....
i cant save anything since i doesnt have a second hd, so this wont be the solution for me.
and anyway, this problem came in when i upgraded fron radeon 9200 to thi s radeon 9600 pro (used but with proof that its not OC and not broken or so).
and yes, i already did a complete driver uninstall in safe mode with a special program

Calculate your PSU requirements and see if they exceed 400W. A calculator can be easily found on Google.

I don't know if new drivers are going to help you honestly. Progressive random failures are generally the first sign of big trouble.

If it were locked at failing OpenGL games only then I'd say it was a driver problem. Since it has started to creep in to the world of DirectX and those last two failures are FAR, FAR, FAR from common, you may need to back up your system, wipe and try from a fresh install. If it STILL fails, then you can pretty much rule out software and start looking at your GPU.

Hi, actually I'm suffering under similar symptoms....
I have pretty much the same components as you do...

Last week, my power supply failed... it didn't burn through, but somehow did shut down the system after 3 or 4 secs.. I replaced it after two days running on a 250w unit..and today I tried LFS but it keeps crashing after a few secs in game (crashing = it starts stuttering..then screen goes black, then PC gets stuck. with VPU recovery I can prevent a restart).

I have checked all cables and if all cards are propperly installed (I have dismantled the entire computer to find that the power supply was faulty), removed the installed ATI-drivers, installed the latest ones I knew worked before. I fiddled with the the settings of the graphics card, but with no real result... I can only run LFS a few seconds longer....

i get the feeling, that the faulty power supply somehow damaged the graphics card....

@der_jackal: thanks for the info on the clever uninstall & stuff, managed to improve, but still the game crashes, just as the others...

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yea ur right, i dont like this suggestion :>
40 gigs of software....
i cant save anything since i doesnt have a second hd, so this wont be the solution for me.
and anyway, this problem came in when i upgraded fron radeon 9200 to thi s radeon 9600 pro (used but with proof that its not OC and not broken or so).
and yes, i already did a complete driver uninstall in safe mode with a special program

Hi,
I think this is more windows related issue then drivers issue.I am building some systems and installing them.
The latest one had symptomps like memory might be damaged as everything on the computer was crashing randomly especially IE.I tried Firefix but got exactly same error right after installing it and running it for 1st time.I tried 3 different MEMORY testing programs for several hours and no issue with memory at all.I tried stability programs and no issues.
The guy wasnt too happy about formating and installing all things again but I did it....and all running fine now.
XP get sometimes screwed really weird and there no other way then formating system partion.
Please be aware that not every program must be installed again if you keep it on seperation partion on your HD.When you start them again they just simply write some info to registries again or to your account part in XP.I know its a shame some programs must be installed again after performing format.

Maybe this will be later the last option for you.I bet it will work.

P.S:sorry for my eng. I am just simply on the way to my bed

err, my problems getting worse lol
today i even have problems with my mouse, it always stops working and i have to unplug it and plug it in again to get it working again
and after a restart i any error message from windows and after that this came up - screenshot

i think now ur gonna tell me again that i need a format

*lol* Spybot picked up the Windows dump engine..*lol*

That's a registry entry which is created when your system BSODs. It's a dump preparation utility that will give you the message about your system being shut down unexpectedly and asks if you want to send information to Microsoft about the problem.

As far as your mouse going, you've got a cascading problem;

Try a format / reinstall of Windows. But I'm going to say it's really starting to sound more like a hardware problem.

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err, my problems getting worse lol
today i even have problems with my mouse, it always stops working and i have to unplug it and plug it in again to get it working again
and after a restart i any error message from windows and after that this came up - screenshot

i think now ur gonna tell me again that i need a format

Well thats sad you get worse problems.
Regarding the mouse issue...its funny but mine started doing this 3 weeks ago and it was very annyoing(because after fresh format).The mouse died 1 week ago so I bought new one.I would not worry too much about the mouse.This simply sometimes happen.

I know that you really dislike the word FORMAT but I think its the only way to find out the real issue.You will then know if its related to software(OS or one of the programs your installed) or hardware.
I understand you very much how annoying can be installing software again.

And I good recomendation.Dont reinstall the Windows.This usually carry on the same problems.Format is the only way to be sure its not related to OS/3rd party applications.

Good luck.

yea "fixed" the mouse problem, was a usb mouse replaced it with a crappy (500 dpi ) wirelesss mouse now i cant play enemy territory no more lol.
well gotta get a new mouse -.-
yea im thinking about getting a friend to me with his mobile hd to backup some data and format then, not sure when but i might do that.