You seem to think I'm a keen supporter of this ridiculous war, did you not read my earlier post?
Then have a conversation with your MP and ask them why your country is currently committing war crimes ?
But then, the Libyans are only ragheads so their not human beings like you, what does it matter if they die from your countries actions - it wasn't you directly was it !
Many of the weapons used, especially those used against tanks (armour piercing) and those used against hard targets (Cruise Missiles & Bunker Busters) all contain uranium components such as Penetrators, Shaped Charged Liners and as a counterweightmost of which is made up of Depleted Uranium.
All weapons that contain Depleted Uranium weapons are recognized as radioactive poison gas weapons and thus violate the Geneva Convention under the 1925 Geneva Poison Gas Protocol. These weapons are described as a "highly mobile indiscriminate killer and permanent terrain contaminant," which has a half life of 4.5 billion years and thus remain in the environment for ever
But then, the Libyans are only ragheads so their not human beings like you, what does it matter if they die from your countries actions - it wasn't you directly was it !
Many of the weapons used, especially those used against tanks (armour piercing) and those used against hard targets (Cruise Missiles & Bunker Busters) all contain uranium components such as Penetrators, Shaped Charged Liners and as a counterweightmost of which is made up of Depleted Uranium.
All weapons that contain Depleted Uranium weapons are recognized as radioactive poison gas weapons and thus violate the Geneva Convention under the 1925 Geneva Poison Gas Protocol. These weapons are described as a "highly mobile indiscriminate killer and permanent terrain contaminant," which has a half life of 4.5 billion years and thus remain in the environment for ever
You're a fucking idiot, take your psychobabble bullshit back to whatever conspiracy theorists forum that you treat as a reliable source, and stop polluting us with your horse shit.
It's funny how Schizophrenics, rednecks and people with an IQ <50 are the only people who ever come up with or believe any of this bollocks, and are then convinced that the other 6 billion people on the planet are the idiots. Morons.
It's funny how Schizophrenics, rednecks and people with an IQ <50 are the only people who ever come up with or believe any of this bollocks, and are then convinced that the other 6 billion people on the planet are the idiots. Morons.
LOL
Why use your brain when you can be simply abusive.
Why use your brain when you can be simply abusive.
You obviously don't use yours. Tell me something, why do you believe all this bullshit, and where are your sources behind your belief? You seem to think everyone else is a ****ing idiot, normal people who consider both sides of an argument, review different sources and then settle on what seems the most plausible option based on evidence, whereas you just dismiss everything apart from nutjob bullshit and don't actually think things through.
It seems like a few of your sources are Press TV, an anti-semite, state controlled iranian 'news' website which is well known for making up stories and is full of some hilarious shit. You don't actually consider than an Iranian news network wouldn't want to make up some bullshit about the 'west'?
Do try to keep the abuse level down, while I really don't care others do, so please do try to consider other people opinions and feelings as well as the forums rules.
Clearly, you havn't actually bothered to read a single source that I've posted.
If your so sure that your right then please disprove the information that's been posted.
Or is that too hard ?
Let's see .............
Clearly, you havn't actually bothered to read a single source that I've posted.
If your so sure that your right then please disprove the information that's been posted.
Or is that too hard ?
Let's see .............
It's not up to me to try and prove any of your bullshit wrong, it's all about you actually posting some reliable sources and not a bunch of jew hating Ahmadinejad puppets.
Thank you, here are other sources that also support the mercenary story including The Jerusalem Post.
"Gaddafi brought in African mercenaries to bolster his dwindling cadre of loyalists. By March 5, his army had been reorganized, and he unleashed it against rebel forces around Tripoli.
There have been reports that Gaddafi’s offensive was bolstered by Eastern European mercenaries, who, unlike the African recruits, would have been familiar with Soviet equipment such as T-72 tanks. Whatever the case, by March 10 the government forces had recaptured Zawiya near Tripoli and Ras Lanuf, between Tripoli and Benghazi. By March 16, both Brega and Ajdabiya were in government hands." http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/C ... ts/Article.aspx?id=213348
On 25 February 2011 Veterans Today recommended immediate intervention in Libya. Few had died, Israel had shown its hand as Gaddafi’s backer and the writing was on the wall. Waiting would lead to civil war and large scale intervention, led by France, would risk the movement for democracy being pushed off track, as happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. Arms and mercenaries flowed in, key media powers and the Israel lobby kept Obama sitting on his hands and, at the last minute – maybe beyond the last minute – there is a call to action.http://www.redress.cc/global/gduff20110323
( If this isn't an anti conspiracy site, what is ? )
And this is probably the most interesting.
Following the publication of our piece "Israel flies to the rescue of ally Khadafi, reaping millions", Israeli mercenary and arms distribution company Global CST and its owner, retired Israeli major general Israel Ziv (photo), have arranged for their law firm Mackrell International to send us a warning notice (see below).
Global CST does not contest having perpetrated crimes in Latin America and South Ossetia, but it denies having any current relations with Colonel Gaddafi.
Our information was derived from two different sources : on the one hand, a journalist working for the Israeli daily Yediot Aharonot and, on the other hand, the Hebrew-language news site Inyan Merkazi. It has been widely disseminated and expanded on by television media, such as Al Jazeera or the Iranian English language global news network Press TV.
Such information bears out that Israel exploits its privileged ties with Colonel Gaddafi to fuel civil war and pave the way for NATO interference in North Africa.
During an interview he gave to France24, Colonel Khadafi made no secret of the fact that the military operations currently under his command are patterned after Israel’s Operation Cast Lead against Gaza.
Global CST’s denial comes on the heels of an in-depth investigation into its involvement in Guinea, entailing heavy sanctions which the company avoided by the skin of its teeth. It was accused of violating rules on arms trading and training by supplying a regime which was under sanctions. In the end, the company got off with a simple reminder that its mercenaries should respect their "ethical obligations".
"The Israeli Government cannot issue Global CST with an official authorization to intervene in Libya, knowing that the Security Council has banned all foreign military aid to Colonel Gaddafi. Global CST has therefore been entrusted with an unofficial mission in breach of Israeli law, which would explain the virulence of its denial. At the same time, the U.S. Ambassador to the Security Council has requested that the mercenaries intervening in Libya be exempt from prosecution under international law. One can never be too careful.
Major General Israel Ziv, who is portrayed by his lawyers as a well-reputed person inside Israel, is the former Tsahal chief of operations. In this capacity, he played a key role in the war crimes committed in Lebanon in 2006, supervising the bombardments that killed 1 187 civilians, caused the displacement of more than one million people, and destroyed over 15 000 buildings."
http://www.voltairenet.org/article168770.html
"Gaddafi brought in African mercenaries to bolster his dwindling cadre of loyalists. By March 5, his army had been reorganized, and he unleashed it against rebel forces around Tripoli.
There have been reports that Gaddafi’s offensive was bolstered by Eastern European mercenaries, who, unlike the African recruits, would have been familiar with Soviet equipment such as T-72 tanks. Whatever the case, by March 10 the government forces had recaptured Zawiya near Tripoli and Ras Lanuf, between Tripoli and Benghazi. By March 16, both Brega and Ajdabiya were in government hands." http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/C ... ts/Article.aspx?id=213348
On 25 February 2011 Veterans Today recommended immediate intervention in Libya. Few had died, Israel had shown its hand as Gaddafi’s backer and the writing was on the wall. Waiting would lead to civil war and large scale intervention, led by France, would risk the movement for democracy being pushed off track, as happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. Arms and mercenaries flowed in, key media powers and the Israel lobby kept Obama sitting on his hands and, at the last minute – maybe beyond the last minute – there is a call to action.http://www.redress.cc/global/gduff20110323
( If this isn't an anti conspiracy site, what is ? )
And this is probably the most interesting.
Following the publication of our piece "Israel flies to the rescue of ally Khadafi, reaping millions", Israeli mercenary and arms distribution company Global CST and its owner, retired Israeli major general Israel Ziv (photo), have arranged for their law firm Mackrell International to send us a warning notice (see below).
Global CST does not contest having perpetrated crimes in Latin America and South Ossetia, but it denies having any current relations with Colonel Gaddafi.
Our information was derived from two different sources : on the one hand, a journalist working for the Israeli daily Yediot Aharonot and, on the other hand, the Hebrew-language news site Inyan Merkazi. It has been widely disseminated and expanded on by television media, such as Al Jazeera or the Iranian English language global news network Press TV.
Such information bears out that Israel exploits its privileged ties with Colonel Gaddafi to fuel civil war and pave the way for NATO interference in North Africa.
During an interview he gave to France24, Colonel Khadafi made no secret of the fact that the military operations currently under his command are patterned after Israel’s Operation Cast Lead against Gaza.
Global CST’s denial comes on the heels of an in-depth investigation into its involvement in Guinea, entailing heavy sanctions which the company avoided by the skin of its teeth. It was accused of violating rules on arms trading and training by supplying a regime which was under sanctions. In the end, the company got off with a simple reminder that its mercenaries should respect their "ethical obligations".
"The Israeli Government cannot issue Global CST with an official authorization to intervene in Libya, knowing that the Security Council has banned all foreign military aid to Colonel Gaddafi. Global CST has therefore been entrusted with an unofficial mission in breach of Israeli law, which would explain the virulence of its denial. At the same time, the U.S. Ambassador to the Security Council has requested that the mercenaries intervening in Libya be exempt from prosecution under international law. One can never be too careful.
Major General Israel Ziv, who is portrayed by his lawyers as a well-reputed person inside Israel, is the former Tsahal chief of operations. In this capacity, he played a key role in the war crimes committed in Lebanon in 2006, supervising the bombardments that killed 1 187 civilians, caused the displacement of more than one million people, and destroyed over 15 000 buildings."
http://www.voltairenet.org/article168770.html
Seriously? The Jerusalem is barely passable as a reliable source of information, all I can see on redress.cc are anti-semite, zionist, NWO bullshit rantings disguised as 'news', and the Voltaire Network are a laughing stock, full of mental 9/11 conspiracy theories, endless attacks on the US and UK and also constantly rant about the NWO.
So, to sum up your sources so far, a bunch of anti-semite sites, the ultimate anti semite site (state controlled Iranian network), and a bunch of 9/11 consipracy nutters. What a reliable bunch of sources.
I also can't help noticing you read a lot of anti-semite websites Racer, got something against jews? No matter what the topic, you manage to sneak in a reference to those sneaky jews somewhere. I bet you're a Holocaust Denier aswell, just to top it off.
Either that or you're a successful troll.
So, to sum up your sources so far, a bunch of anti-semite sites, the ultimate anti semite site (state controlled Iranian network), and a bunch of 9/11 consipracy nutters. What a reliable bunch of sources.
I also can't help noticing you read a lot of anti-semite websites Racer, got something against jews? No matter what the topic, you manage to sneak in a reference to those sneaky jews somewhere. I bet you're a Holocaust Denier aswell, just to top it off.
Either that or you're a successful troll.
SORRY - forgot that you can't criticise Israel without being accused of being anti semetic. Silly me .......
Then just carry on watching Fox and reading Murdoch and you'll have a happy life.
This will be way above your head but do try to learn the difference between Israeli and Zionist.
Then just carry on watching Fox and reading Murdoch and you'll have a happy life.
This will be way above your head but do try to learn the difference between Israeli and Zionist.
You can quite happily criticize Israel, personally I think they're a bunch of arseholes, but it's **** all to do with them being Jews. You just seem to frequent a lot of anti-semitic websites, which is more than coincidental.
What really annoys me about you is that you just repeat the same Murdoch Fox argument constantly, like anyone who doesn't believe in your Jew hating bullshit just sits around all day watching Fox and believing everything they're told. For a start, we don't get Fox news here, I don't watch Sky news, and I don't read any of these so called "Murdoch" tabloids, simply because I know that they contain quite a lot of horseshit.
What I don't do, however, is completely disregard everything which is reported in the mainstream media as bullshit, like you. I would rather trust the BBC to be accurate with a story than some crackpot anti-semite state controlled Iranian news network as you seem to do. You are the opposite of the people you seem to hold such a low opinion of, you claim people can't think for themselves, but you obviously just swallow all of this bullshit without thinking it through, making you as bad as them, and making you a complete cunt.
You also have a nack for ignoring questions and posting the same thing with every post, but that's obviously because you don't have any answers. It is absolutely pointless though arguing with someone who has serious mental problems, so there is no point trying to reason with you.
the west is always the enemy. If the west was doing anything else, racerX would still be citing iranian tabloids saying we were doing ________ to further our jew controlled capitalist agenda.
Oh, and who's countries are in the middle of murdering yet more innocent civilians so they can aquire their resources ?
Thats right - YOURS !
And I have the problems ? :monkey:
Thats right - YOURS !
And I have the problems ? :monkey:
God NZ must be a utopia if its full of guys like you. I can only imagine the town council meetings.
For those of you who actually are interested, the following information on the Brooking's Institute and it's members may be interesting.
Remember, this is the group who publish reports that appear to outline US foreign policy well before it happens.
See my link earlier for their report written in 2009 which strangely outlines current US ( and minions ) actions in the Middle East and the longer term goals.
Brookings Institute
www.brookings.edu
Background: Within the library of the Brookings Institute you will find the blueprints for nearly every conflict the West has been involved with in recent memory. What's more is that while the public seems to think these crises spring up like wildfires, those following the Brookings' corporate funded studies and publications see these crises coming years in advance. These are premeditated, meticulously planned conflicts that are triggered to usher in premeditated, meticulously planned solutions to advance Brookings' corporate supporters, who are numerous.
The ongoing operations against Iran, including US-backed color revolutions, US-trained and backed terrorists inside Iran, and crippling sanctions were all spelled out in excruciating detail in the Brookings Institute report, "Which Path to Persia?" The more recent UN Security Council resolution 1973 regarding Libya uncannily resembles Kenneth Pollack's March 9, 2011 Brookings report titled "The Real Military Options in Libya."
Notable Brookings Board Members:
Dominic Barton: McKinsey & Company, Inc.
Alan R. Batkin: Eton Park Capital Management
Richard C. Blum: Blum Capital Partners, LP
Abby Joseph Cohen: Goldman, Sachs & Co.
Suzanne Nora Johnson: Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.
Richard A. Kimball Jr.: Goldman, Sachs & Co.
Tracy R. Wolstencroft: Goldman, Sachs & Co.
Paul Desmarais Jr.: Power Corporation of Canada
Kenneth M. Duberstein: The Duberstein Group, Inc.
Benjamin R. Jacobs: The JBG Companies
Nemir Kirdar: Investcorp
Klaus Kleinfeld: Alcoa, Inc.
Philip H. Knight: Nike, Inc.
David M. Rubenstein: Co-Founder of The Carlyle Group
Sheryl K. Sandberg: Facebook
Larry D. Thompson: PepsiCo, Inc.
Michael L. Tipsord: State Farm Insurance Companies
Andrew H. Tisch: Loews Corporation
Some Brookings Experts:
(click on names to see a list of recent writings.)
Kenneth Pollack
Daniel L. Byman
Martin Indyk
Suzanne Maloney
Michael E. O'Hanlon
Bruce Riedel
Shadi Hamid
Notable Brookings Foundation & Corporate Support:
Foundations & Governments
Ford Foundation
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
The Rockefeller Foundation
Government of the United Arab Emirates
Carnegie Corporation of New York
Rockefeller Brothers Fund
Banking & Finance
Bank of America
Citi
Goldman Sachs
H&R Block
Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
Jacob Rothschild
Nathaniel Rothschild
Standard Chartered Bank
Temasek Holdings Limited
Visa Inc.
Big Oil
Exxon Mobil Corporation
Chevron
Shell Oil Company
Military Industrial Complex & Industry
Daimler
General Dynamics Corporation
Lockheed Martin Corporation
Northrop Grumman Corporation
Siemens Corporation
The Boeing Company
General Electric Company
Westinghouse Electric Corporation
Raytheon Co.
Hitachi, Ltd.
Toyota
Telecommunications & Technology
AT&T
Google Corporation
Hewlett-Packard
Microsoft Corporation
Panasonic Corporation
Verizon Communications
Xerox Corporation
Skype
Media & Perception Management
McKinsey & Company, Inc.
News Corporation (Fox News)
Consumer Goods & Pharmaceutical
GlaxoSmithKline
Target
PepsiCo, Inc.
The Coca-Cola Company
Remember, this is the group who publish reports that appear to outline US foreign policy well before it happens.
See my link earlier for their report written in 2009 which strangely outlines current US ( and minions ) actions in the Middle East and the longer term goals.
Brookings Institute
www.brookings.edu
Background: Within the library of the Brookings Institute you will find the blueprints for nearly every conflict the West has been involved with in recent memory. What's more is that while the public seems to think these crises spring up like wildfires, those following the Brookings' corporate funded studies and publications see these crises coming years in advance. These are premeditated, meticulously planned conflicts that are triggered to usher in premeditated, meticulously planned solutions to advance Brookings' corporate supporters, who are numerous.
The ongoing operations against Iran, including US-backed color revolutions, US-trained and backed terrorists inside Iran, and crippling sanctions were all spelled out in excruciating detail in the Brookings Institute report, "Which Path to Persia?" The more recent UN Security Council resolution 1973 regarding Libya uncannily resembles Kenneth Pollack's March 9, 2011 Brookings report titled "The Real Military Options in Libya."
Notable Brookings Board Members:
Dominic Barton: McKinsey & Company, Inc.
Alan R. Batkin: Eton Park Capital Management
Richard C. Blum: Blum Capital Partners, LP
Abby Joseph Cohen: Goldman, Sachs & Co.
Suzanne Nora Johnson: Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.
Richard A. Kimball Jr.: Goldman, Sachs & Co.
Tracy R. Wolstencroft: Goldman, Sachs & Co.
Paul Desmarais Jr.: Power Corporation of Canada
Kenneth M. Duberstein: The Duberstein Group, Inc.
Benjamin R. Jacobs: The JBG Companies
Nemir Kirdar: Investcorp
Klaus Kleinfeld: Alcoa, Inc.
Philip H. Knight: Nike, Inc.
David M. Rubenstein: Co-Founder of The Carlyle Group
Sheryl K. Sandberg: Facebook
Larry D. Thompson: PepsiCo, Inc.
Michael L. Tipsord: State Farm Insurance Companies
Andrew H. Tisch: Loews Corporation
Some Brookings Experts:
(click on names to see a list of recent writings.)
Kenneth Pollack
Daniel L. Byman
Martin Indyk
Suzanne Maloney
Michael E. O'Hanlon
Bruce Riedel
Shadi Hamid
Notable Brookings Foundation & Corporate Support:
Foundations & Governments
Ford Foundation
Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
The Rockefeller Foundation
Government of the United Arab Emirates
Carnegie Corporation of New York
Rockefeller Brothers Fund
Banking & Finance
Bank of America
Citi
Goldman Sachs
H&R Block
Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
Jacob Rothschild
Nathaniel Rothschild
Standard Chartered Bank
Temasek Holdings Limited
Visa Inc.
Big Oil
Exxon Mobil Corporation
Chevron
Shell Oil Company
Military Industrial Complex & Industry
Daimler
General Dynamics Corporation
Lockheed Martin Corporation
Northrop Grumman Corporation
Siemens Corporation
The Boeing Company
General Electric Company
Westinghouse Electric Corporation
Raytheon Co.
Hitachi, Ltd.
Toyota
Telecommunications & Technology
AT&T
Google Corporation
Hewlett-Packard
Microsoft Corporation
Panasonic Corporation
Verizon Communications
Xerox Corporation
Skype
Media & Perception Management
McKinsey & Company, Inc.
News Corporation (Fox News)
Consumer Goods & Pharmaceutical
GlaxoSmithKline
Target
PepsiCo, Inc.
The Coca-Cola Company
For ****s sake, please stop copy/pasting shite from elsewhere here.
A link is sufficient.
A link is sufficient.
Anybody knows this flag? 
Yes - http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ly_cyren.html
Sorry for not posting a link to the Brooking Institute information above.
http://www.activistpost.com/20 ... your-real-government.html
The full article also gives detailed information on the Council for Foreign Relations ( CFR, this is the group who managed to forecast 911 2 years prior to the event ) and the Carlyle Group.
It's interesting to see how often the same names crop up, purely coincidentally I'm sure.
Sorry for not posting a link to the Brooking Institute information above.
http://www.activistpost.com/20 ... your-real-government.html
The full article also gives detailed information on the Council for Foreign Relations ( CFR, this is the group who managed to forecast 911 2 years prior to the event ) and the Carlyle Group.
It's interesting to see how often the same names crop up, purely coincidentally I'm sure.
If protecting civilians from evil dictators was the goal, though - as opposed to, say, safeguarding natural resources and the investments of major oil companies - there's an easier, safer way than aerial bombardment for the US and its allies to consider: simply stop arming and propping up evil dictators. After all, Libya's Muammar Qaddafi reaped the benefits from Western nations all too eager to cozy up to and rehabilitate the image of a dictator with oil with those denouncing him today as a murderous tyrant, and just a matter of weeks ago selling him the very arms his regime has been using to suppress the rebellion against it.
In 2009 alone, European governments - including Britain and France - sold Libya more than $470 million worth of weapons, including fighter jets, guns and bombs. And before it started calling for regime change, the Obama administration was working to provide the Libyan dictator another $77 million in weapons, on top of the $17 million it provided in 2009 and the $46 million the Bush administration provided in 2008.
http://www.truth-out.org/inste ... p-selling-them-bombs68680
In 2009 alone, European governments - including Britain and France - sold Libya more than $470 million worth of weapons, including fighter jets, guns and bombs. And before it started calling for regime change, the Obama administration was working to provide the Libyan dictator another $77 million in weapons, on top of the $17 million it provided in 2009 and the $46 million the Bush administration provided in 2008.
http://www.truth-out.org/inste ... p-selling-them-bombs68680
Are you having an argument with yourself? Everyone knows it's about oil, you're not exactly thinking outside the box with that one. You have to do better than that, what about Aliens were giving the Libyans arms? Sounds like something you would say.
Why do you keep on with this bullshit when nobody gives a **** what you say?
Why do you keep on with this bullshit when nobody gives a **** what you say?
So the murder of people really is irrelavent to you, that was the line in Nazi Germany. Except they claimed not to have noticed the death camp next door.
You, on the other hand, get to glory in the marvellous victory of your brave troops 24/7 in widescreen glory.
If the people don't care what their government does then you are equally guilty.
What's your definition of a human - only people like you ?
I'll stop posting this when people like you actually take responsibilty for your actions, which given your attitude may take a long time.
Yet again, you're a fucking idiot. Lets pick through this.
For the 100th time, I am firmly against the military action in Libya. What part of that can you not get through your thick fucking skull?
So, you're saying that I'm the equivalent of a Nazi who sat by and watched 6 million jews being murdered (I thought that was the kind of thing you liked?). What do you suggest I do? I voted for a party in the elections, which happens to now be a party which has no power, but unfortunately this is a Democracy. The party which was voted into power are the representatives which were voted in to make decisions for us. I was in London on the day of the anti-war marches where 2 million people showed up against the war in Iraq. That didn't work, so what do you suggest? Start murdering ministers until they change their mind?
Come on, oh great one, make a suggestion on what a normal member of the public is supposed to do?
What?
Of course the people care what their government does, this is why we have elections every 5 years to get rid of a party who do things we don't like, and give us the opportunity to vote in a new party. What do you suggest, we have elections every 2 weeks? Or have you got some new idea which is better than democracy, like fascism? I know you're big on your anti-semite beliefs, maybe this is what you want?
I am unbelievably tolerant as a person, I am not racist, I don't even consider skin colour or race as a factor, I couldn't give a **** if you're gay, straight, or whatever. A human is a human, end of story.
Now again, I'm against this intervention totally, but I completely understand the reasoning behind it. Gaddafi, who is an absolute madman dictator well known for murder, is wiping out thousands of his own citizens for daring to protest against his rule. Now, I'm of the opinion that we can't be the world police and launch military action against everyone country who has a civil war, and I'm under no illusions that the true reason for wanting to get rid of Gaddafi is oil. However, who the **** do you think you are by accusing me of being a murder by default?
So, what are you doing about this? Are you going out protesting constantly, or are you sitting like on a computer trying to bullshit people into believing all your crackpot theories? What makes you such a better human being than me? Because you happen to have been born in a country which is so small in the grand scheme of things that they actually don't have any involvment in anything?
For the 100th time, I am firmly against the military action in Libya. What part of that can you not get through your thick fucking skull?
So, you're saying that I'm the equivalent of a Nazi who sat by and watched 6 million jews being murdered (I thought that was the kind of thing you liked?). What do you suggest I do? I voted for a party in the elections, which happens to now be a party which has no power, but unfortunately this is a Democracy. The party which was voted into power are the representatives which were voted in to make decisions for us. I was in London on the day of the anti-war marches where 2 million people showed up against the war in Iraq. That didn't work, so what do you suggest? Start murdering ministers until they change their mind?
Come on, oh great one, make a suggestion on what a normal member of the public is supposed to do?
What?
Of course the people care what their government does, this is why we have elections every 5 years to get rid of a party who do things we don't like, and give us the opportunity to vote in a new party. What do you suggest, we have elections every 2 weeks? Or have you got some new idea which is better than democracy, like fascism? I know you're big on your anti-semite beliefs, maybe this is what you want?
I am unbelievably tolerant as a person, I am not racist, I don't even consider skin colour or race as a factor, I couldn't give a **** if you're gay, straight, or whatever. A human is a human, end of story.
Now again, I'm against this intervention totally, but I completely understand the reasoning behind it. Gaddafi, who is an absolute madman dictator well known for murder, is wiping out thousands of his own citizens for daring to protest against his rule. Now, I'm of the opinion that we can't be the world police and launch military action against everyone country who has a civil war, and I'm under no illusions that the true reason for wanting to get rid of Gaddafi is oil. However, who the **** do you think you are by accusing me of being a murder by default?
So, what are you doing about this? Are you going out protesting constantly, or are you sitting like on a computer trying to bullshit people into believing all your crackpot theories? What makes you such a better human being than me? Because you happen to have been born in a country which is so small in the grand scheme of things that they actually don't have any involvment in anything?
back on topic
It seems british, french, and (unofficially) US special forces are on the ground in Libya right now laser designating airstrike targets for the precision bombing we've been seeing.
It seems british, french, and (unofficially) US special forces are on the ground in Libya right now laser designating airstrike targets for the precision bombing we've been seeing.
Ok, ignoring the never ending abuse - ROFL 
, lets focus on what we agree on.
1: The war is all about stealing resources.
You were on the Anti-Iraq war marches, which is more than many people were !
You then ask, what can people do as clearly simply spending 1 min every 5 years voting is pointless at stopping your country committing war crimes.
There is a world wide movement to bring Blair, Bush, etc et al to trial for war crimes. http://www.arrestblair.org/
http://www.zimdiaspora.com/ind ... ernational&Itemid=342
http://www.globalresearch.ca/i ... ?context=va&aid=17350
If your government is not prepaired to follow international law then it's up to the people to ensure that their government behave in a legal manner.
If you or I commit murder and admit to the crime then we would face the consiquences, what makes other people above the law ?
And now for what we disagree on !
Please explain why I'm anti semetic ?
Or is it that your not allowed to criticise Israels actions and they too are above the law ?
I think not, I completely fail to see how pointing out Israels current actions is in any way different from criticising US, UK or NZ govt policy.
And now for a real laugh !
The following link is to a West Point ( Yes, US Military ) review of the Libyan revolutionarys
Guess what, they are Al Quida !.
So the US has come to the rescue of the people who are currently attacking them in Iraq and Afghanistan while their best mate ( Israel ) is feeding african mercinaries to support Gaddafi.
Who needs a conspiracy theory when reality is far more farcical, and fully documented.
2007 West Point Study Shows Benghazi-Darnah-Tobruk Area was a World Leader in Al Qaeda Suicide Bomber Recruitment http://tarpley.net/2011/03/24/ ... d-us-nato-troops-in-iraq/
But since the Al Qaeda personnel files contain the residence or hometown of the foreign fighters in question, we can determine that the desire to travel to Iraq to kill Americans was not evenly distributed across Libya, but was highly concentrated precisely in those areas around Benghazi which are today the epicenters of the revolt against Colonel Gaddafi which the US, Britain, France, and others are so eagerly supporting.
As Daya Gamage of the Asia Tribune comments in a recent article on the West Point study, “…alarmingly for Western policymakers, most of the fighters came from eastern Libya, the center of the current uprising against Muammar el-Qaddafi. The eastern Libyan city of Darnah sent more fighters to Iraq than any other single city or town, according to the West Point report. It noted that 52 militants came to Iraq from Darnah, a city of just 80,000 people (the second-largest source of fighters was Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, which has a population of more than 4 million). Benghazi, the capital of Libya’s provisional government declared by the anti-Qaddafi rebels, sent in 21 fighters, again a disproportionate number of the whole.”4 Obscure Darnah edged out metropolitan Riyadh by 52 fighters to 51. Qaddafi’s stronghold of Tripoli, by contrast, barely shows up in the statistics at all. (See chart from West Point report, page 12)
And here are the rebels admitting this :
Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi's regime.
March 25, 2011
In an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, Mr al-Hasidi admitted that he had recruited "around 25" men from the Derna area in eastern Libya to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of them, he said, are "today are on the front lines in Adjabiya".
http://uruknet.info/?p=m76214&hd=&size=1&l=e
As former CIA operations officer Brian Fairchild writes, amid "the apparent absence of any plan for post-Gaddafi governance, an ignorance of Libya's tribal nature and our poor record of dealing with tribes, American government documents conclusively establish that the epicentre of the revolt is rife with anti-American and pro-jihad sentiment, and with al-Qaeda's explicit support for the revolt, it is appropriate to ask our policy makers how American military intervention in support of this revolt in any way serves vital US strategic interests".
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27759.htm
, lets focus on what we agree on.1: The war is all about stealing resources.
You were on the Anti-Iraq war marches, which is more than many people were !
You then ask, what can people do as clearly simply spending 1 min every 5 years voting is pointless at stopping your country committing war crimes.
There is a world wide movement to bring Blair, Bush, etc et al to trial for war crimes. http://www.arrestblair.org/
http://www.zimdiaspora.com/ind ... ernational&Itemid=342
http://www.globalresearch.ca/i ... ?context=va&aid=17350
If your government is not prepaired to follow international law then it's up to the people to ensure that their government behave in a legal manner.
If you or I commit murder and admit to the crime then we would face the consiquences, what makes other people above the law ?
And now for what we disagree on !
Please explain why I'm anti semetic ?
Or is it that your not allowed to criticise Israels actions and they too are above the law ?
I think not, I completely fail to see how pointing out Israels current actions is in any way different from criticising US, UK or NZ govt policy.
And now for a real laugh !
The following link is to a West Point ( Yes, US Military ) review of the Libyan revolutionarys
Guess what, they are Al Quida !.
So the US has come to the rescue of the people who are currently attacking them in Iraq and Afghanistan while their best mate ( Israel ) is feeding african mercinaries to support Gaddafi.
Who needs a conspiracy theory when reality is far more farcical, and fully documented.
2007 West Point Study Shows Benghazi-Darnah-Tobruk Area was a World Leader in Al Qaeda Suicide Bomber Recruitment http://tarpley.net/2011/03/24/ ... d-us-nato-troops-in-iraq/
But since the Al Qaeda personnel files contain the residence or hometown of the foreign fighters in question, we can determine that the desire to travel to Iraq to kill Americans was not evenly distributed across Libya, but was highly concentrated precisely in those areas around Benghazi which are today the epicenters of the revolt against Colonel Gaddafi which the US, Britain, France, and others are so eagerly supporting.
As Daya Gamage of the Asia Tribune comments in a recent article on the West Point study, “…alarmingly for Western policymakers, most of the fighters came from eastern Libya, the center of the current uprising against Muammar el-Qaddafi. The eastern Libyan city of Darnah sent more fighters to Iraq than any other single city or town, according to the West Point report. It noted that 52 militants came to Iraq from Darnah, a city of just 80,000 people (the second-largest source of fighters was Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, which has a population of more than 4 million). Benghazi, the capital of Libya’s provisional government declared by the anti-Qaddafi rebels, sent in 21 fighters, again a disproportionate number of the whole.”4 Obscure Darnah edged out metropolitan Riyadh by 52 fighters to 51. Qaddafi’s stronghold of Tripoli, by contrast, barely shows up in the statistics at all. (See chart from West Point report, page 12)
And here are the rebels admitting this :
Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi's regime.
March 25, 2011
In an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, Mr al-Hasidi admitted that he had recruited "around 25" men from the Derna area in eastern Libya to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of them, he said, are "today are on the front lines in Adjabiya".
http://uruknet.info/?p=m76214&hd=&size=1&l=e
As former CIA operations officer Brian Fairchild writes, amid "the apparent absence of any plan for post-Gaddafi governance, an ignorance of Libya's tribal nature and our poor record of dealing with tribes, American government documents conclusively establish that the epicentre of the revolt is rife with anti-American and pro-jihad sentiment, and with al-Qaeda's explicit support for the revolt, it is appropriate to ask our policy makers how American military intervention in support of this revolt in any way serves vital US strategic interests".
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27759.htm
You are saying that Israeli zionists are supporting muslim jihadists in a coup in libya. just think about that for a second, logically. Just because someone says it on a conspiracy forum doesn't mean it's true.
As far as US plans for a post gaddafi gov't, I think you'll see the US taking a behind the scenes role because truly there is nothing for us to gain in Libya. For all your talk about US intervention, NATO and the UN are going to be acting in the interests of western european countries who rely on Libya for crude oil.
As far as US plans for a post gaddafi gov't, I think you'll see the US taking a behind the scenes role because truly there is nothing for us to gain in Libya. For all your talk about US intervention, NATO and the UN are going to be acting in the interests of western european countries who rely on Libya for crude oil.
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