Yeah because milk addicts make milk with dirty equipment in some random dirty cellars.
Yeah because milk addicts make milk with dirty equipment in some random dirty cellars.
Not with Heroin there isn't..
he doesn't buy his milk from the same guy he gets his drugs from.
it doesn't matter what i support. i my point was that taking drugs can be risky. to say you're a "safe user" is just stupid. drugs are not manufactured the way you see it on tv. they're usually made in a damp abandoned building with all sorts of animals pissing and shitting everywhere.
have you ever seen the process in which cocaine is made? let's just say once harvested, a big hole in the jungle is dug out and lined with plastic sheeting. oh, and they also use petrol to help extract the cocaine from the coca plant.
and that's just the start. and only one drug.
You've ignored my point.
Some weed grown by the end user (or by their mates) probably doesn't have any of the dodgy additives you seem to think are included in all illegal substances.
Obviously the smoking related risks are still there, but these apply to legal drugs also.
There's probably more harmful chemicals in the dodgy imported cigarettes which seem to be accepted by society.
at what stage did i say all drugs? i said it takes one bad drug. additives are in cocaine yes. after all, when's the last time you saw someone snorting a line of coca leaves? imagine the guy who's stamping the leaves has a nasty athletes foot or a few warts. that's going up your nose. along with the sweat that was dripping from him as he worked to extract the cocaine.
who in their right mind would start a meth lab in their own house? dingy warehouse it is then.
so, back to my point. there's no such thing as safe usage when it comes to illegal drugs.
who in their right mind would start a meth lab in their own house? dingy warehouse it is then.
so, back to my point. there's no such thing as safe usage when it comes to illegal drugs.
Also be sure not to cross the street, and grow all of your own food, and ultra heat treat it before eating to remove any potentially fatal bacteria.
that's what i always do. i never use those hand cleaner dispenser things either. simply because they're the dirtiest part of a building. think about it.
what does crossing the street have to do with contaminated illegal drugs? if you're going to be condescending, at least put some effort into it.
I thought you were suggesting a thoroughly risk-averse lifestyle as some kind of ideal?
no. not at all. in fact, it was quite the opposite. my point was that bad drugs happen. no matter how safe you think you are with them.
a bit like car accidents. they happen too, no matter how good you think you are as a driver.
a bit like car accidents. they happen too, no matter how good you think you are as a driver.
You obviously have no idea what a reagant tester does, because it does all of that.
Yes, it does test for contaminates. For the purpose of the example.
If i drop a bit of powder on the chemical, an if it doesnt react, it means theres no active ingrediant in it. If it turns black instantly and sizzles/smokes, its strong MDMA, if it turns black, its medium, but if it stays a dark blue/black, and takes a long time to change colour, it means its weak in strength.
However, they also test for many other different substances inside the powder, DMAA, PMA, Amphetamine, BZP, Ketamine...the list goes on, its not just for MDMA.
Combined with word of mouth on quality, consistency, and purity, the reagent tester goes down a right treat, because i can get as much information about the batch of chemicals before i ingest them.
heroin and meth ahve both been argued as the #1 most addictive drug.
I've done meth, once, about two months ago now...and ive never touched it since.
Its called self control.
Also, re;contaminants and drugs such as petrol/acetone etc.
You realise all this stuff is put through filters and filtered out? You really think a dealer would let there customers consume bad products? its a BUSINESS people, good quality products mean good paying and loyal customers. Yeah, theres definitaly some dodgy dealer/cooks out there, but its not majority.
AS for your comments about safety. I never said drug taking was safe, i said i am SAFE with my USEAGE. As in, i take precautions and measurements to make sure i don't end up a statistic.
Sorry, but that has to be the the funniest reason against drugs I've yet heard.
Don't do drugs. You might catch the flu.
No need to apologise. You simply don't understand what I'm saying. I'll try for a 5th time. Drug taking is a risky business. There's no such thing as safe drugs.
Let's hope it sinks in this time.
And for the record, I'm not against drugs(I didn't even say that I was).
Why is it when someone posts an example, people take it literally? Do people really lack the mental gumption to see an example for what it is and expand on it?
Let's hope it sinks in this time.
And for the record, I'm not against drugs(I didn't even say that I was).
Why is it when someone posts an example, people take it literally? Do people really lack the mental gumption to see an example for what it is and expand on it?
i shit you not, but corners are cut in poorer countries. when producing cocaine, the poor farmers use what ever fuel they can find. put it into containers (usually old dirty barrels) and then it's carried to the plants.
the production of the cocaine paste is done where the coca plants are. the tools use can mostly be found on the ground. the cocaine is extracted from the leaves using the fuel and bleach. this is all mix (not with a nice sterile stirring stick) with a broken branch. the cocaine resin floats to the top of the pit and is compressed into a bar. this bar is what the drug dealers are looking for. the bar is then taken to be exported. from there it's cut and mixed with other chemicals to give it that powder look.
so, in short, the cocaine is harvested by a poor Columbian farmer and sold to the drug dealers.
you seem to be under the impression that the drug dealers main concern is the health of his customers. it's not. his main concern is selling his drugs. he doesn't give a shit if a batch leaves you sick. he does give a shit if you don't pay him. he doesn't give a shit how the drug is made. as long as he has a product to sell, that is all he cares about. you also don't need loyal customers. you just need addicts. even the ones who think they're not addicted and they are "safe" users. they still keep coming back...
It all depends on what drugs.
It's not at all without risk, but you can say the legal drugs are safe.
What you mean with 'risky business' is unclear to me, since most drugs aren't sold to the little addictive, but to the mass recreational users.
i meant the business of drug taking can be risky.
Are you suggesting that everyone that uses Heroin is an addict?
Is there no end to your ignorance
I'm not in any way denying that Heroin is a highly addictive substance, and would in no way suggest that people try it, just to make thing clear, but I know (knew) plenty of people that smoked a bit of brown on a casual basis, myself included, that were most certainly not addicts. Christ, I even injected it on a couple of occasions. At no point have I ever been a Heroin addict.
I really suggest that you stay away from topics that you obviously haven't got a clue about.
Note: Just to make things clear, my drug use was many years ago. I haven't taken anything apart from weed for at least 10 years, and don't even smoke that any more. I wouldn't encourage anybody to use drugs, but I don't regret the fact that I did. I do however dislike some of the ignorant rubbish spoken about drugs by people that haven't a clue what they are talking about.
The best policy when discussing drugs is the truth, not rolling out some sound-bite from the Daily Mail
He would say completely irrelevant things, Kev is the biggest druggie on here.
BTW Moose, do you know of, or have heard of anyone credible that only takes Heroin in limited ammounts? (not counting methadone rehabilitation programm). No, didn't think so. They take as much as they can cos Heroin is basically instant addiction. Trust me, if what you were really taking was Heroin, you wouldn't be on this forum, because you'd be living on the streets.
Heroin is the most destructive drug socially. The fact you even got roped in to taking it in the first place (even if it wasn't heroin, you thought it was) shows your argument incredible as you are an idiot).
Absolute nonsense of the highest order.
You simply cant be taken seriously. You haven't got a clue what you are talking about.
Every time you open your mouth on this subject you just make yourself look even more ridiculous.
Stay away from subjects you haven't got a clue about you utter moron.
is there any chance you could maybe hold a civilised discussion without resorting to childish name calling? i felt the discussion was going ok. calling people moron is easy. instead of informing him that he "hasn't got a clue" why don't you take this time to give him a clue.
you had a chance to put him right but instead you used it to fling mud.
go you.
you had a chance to put him right but instead you used it to fling mud.
go you.
You're right Dadge. I just have absolutely no patience for Blue Flame's ignorant, uninformed nonsense. I find it incredibly frustrating trying to deal with people like him, who state rubbish as fact.
Here's a little light reading for him.
When he admits he's completely wrong then I will revoke his moron status
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/ ... sentation/alexender-e.htm
http://www.drugscope.org.uk/resources/mediaguide/heroinmyths
Here's a little light reading for him.
When he admits he's completely wrong then I will revoke his moron status
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/ ... sentation/alexender-e.htm
http://www.drugscope.org.uk/resources/mediaguide/heroinmyths
I'm ignorant. Hahahhahaa yea, ignorant enough to know that heroin ain't gonna be in my body unless it's against my will.
You didn't need persuading to take heroin by the sounds of things.
Seriously, you make it seem like you're holier than thou because you don't get addicted to heroin. Which makes me think you are lying.
I've seen people, whole families destroyed by heroin. I'm telling you, anyone who can kick the habit after year or so is superhuman, you're not.
In regards to instant addiction, there's no catagorical fact for or against this, addiction is par for the individual, you can't generalize because everyone reacts to drugs differently but that doesn't mean that people can be immune to a drugs addiction.
Going by your logic, a little bit of heroin here and there is a bit of a laugh, maybe I'll inject my son with it, or put powder in his milk, after all, he won't instantly get addicted so the next day will just be a normal day for him. Although I'll have to scour the land for scum-bags and criminals to source my drugs assosiating with murderers and low-lifers along the way.
Swings 'n roundabouts for ye old moose though. Swings 'n ****ing roundabouts.
Even if what you are saying is true Moose there are people under the age of 18 on this forum, and what you're saying to them is that it's basically ok to do a bit of Heroin cos you won't get addicted. You're a ****ing idiot.
Just goes to show you're more interested in destroying the stigma created by people to stop their children from getting involved with heroin than actually stopping children from doing heroin...
yup.
*Puts blueflame in ignore list*
*Puts blueflame in ignore list*
Oh don't be silly, you know you want a laugh every now and then.
I'm sorry, but I have to back up Moose on this.
There is no such thing like instant addiction. Your body needs time to effectively adapt to higher concentrations of the drug the organism, in some people this adaptation is faster, in some slower but it won't happen over night. If our bodies were that flexible, a cup of coffee would probably kill you.
You've also seriously mangled Mooses "Heroin is not as ultraaddictive as you think" to "Hey, Heroin is harmless, you might want to stick a needle up your arm instead of watching soaps on TV tonight". Moose wasn't advocating drugs, I'm sure he wouldn't dispute the fact that getting off Heroin _after_ you get strongly addicted is very hard, but becoming such an addict takes some time.
As for the kids around here, so what? If someone feels like dosing up, there's no force in the universe that could stop him, or more to the point, if someone is that stupid to follow every "advice" he finds on the Net, well, there's no hope for him anyway...
Very wise of you. The only sensible thing you've said in this whole thread.
No, I didn't need persuading. I took it of my own free will.
Holier than though? I haven't a clue where you go that idea from. You can think I'm lying as much as you like. Your completely wrong though (yet again)
Tell me, why would I admit to taking Heroin on a public forum? There's nothing big or clever about it. The only reason I did it was to prove your lies wrong.
I'm sure we've all seen families destroyed by Addiction. Not sure what your point is.
You certainly don't have to be superhuman to kick a heroin addiction though. More of your exaggerated bullshit I'm afraid. Fact.
Hang on, only a few posts ago you said it was instant addiction
Make your mind up. You're not doing a very good job of backtracking here.No one has claimed people can be immune to drug addiction at any point in this discussion.
You obviously didn't read the articles I posted for you.
Not worth commenting on. Complete and utter rubbish.
I'm now absolutely convinced you didn't read my OP. If you had you would clearly have seen the bit where I clearly stated, and even bolded just to make it even more clear, this "I'm not in any way denying that Heroin is a highly addictive substance, and would in no way suggest that people try it, just to make thing clear"
I cant see in any way how you can get the idea from that, or anything else I said, that I'm saying it's ok to take Heroin.
I'll say it again to make myself clear, though I suspect everyone else in here could read and understand first time, unlike yourself.
I don't recommend anyone tries Heroin. It is a highly addictive substance! It can lead to a habit and destroy your life and that of those around you.
I'm not interested in destroying any stigma. I am interested in people being educated in the truth about drugs. I am interested in debunking your complete misinformation on a subject you obviously have no idea about.
Scaremongering and lies helps no one. The sort of bullshit you talk about drugs is the sort of lies I was taught at school about drugs. After i had tried Cannabis and LSD and realised the stuff we were told about them was lies it actually encouraged me to try other drugs. They had lied about those two, why should I have any reason to think they weren't lying about everything they taught us about drugs?
I have not at any point in this claimed it is clever, it wont harm you or you should all take drugs. I haven't condoned drug taking. I haven't recommended drug taking. I've made it pretty clear its not a very wise thing to do.
If that makes me an idiot then so be it.
From my point of view, people making ridiculous blanket statements, completely untrue ones at that, are far more idiotic.
EDIT: Luckily the kids you're so worried about (as we all should be) get far better drugs education, and have access to plenty of research these days. I'm far less worried for them than kids from my generation. I doubt they buy into the mass media bullshit that you obviously do.
Amy Winehouse, 1983 - 2011 RIP
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