Quote from BlueFlame :

Then what are they waving for? The footage clearly shows the whole gap of track between that marshall post and the green-lit board and there's no stranded car there, or even shit on the track.

It doesn't matter why they are waving. Yellow doesn't mean "take your own view of the situation and if you feel it is safe then crank open DRS anyway". Drivers cannot use their own judgment in these situations.

Between the marshal post and the green light is a yellow zone, regardless of lights on the dashboard, radio comms and so on.

Quote from tristancliffe :

In the same way that a car light can look lit when it isn't - light reflects and refracts.

I didn't know India was tinted green. It's impossible for an LED light panel to reflect green, or a brighter and more vivid green, than the green around it.

Quote from Bean0 :

Seems Ferrari may be taking the p!ss with the amount of flexibility their new wing has...

http://www.dailymotion.com/vid ... ndian-grand-prix-fp1_auto

Yep, was about to post this as well...

Beyond ridiculous.

Seems strange that it oscillates rather than just flexes. Might be due to some bumps further up the straight causing it to resonate (or flutter as they said on the stream)? Although surely the aero forces would damp it out??

Quote from BlueFlame :

I didn't know India was tinted green. It's impossible for an LED light panel to reflect green, or a brighter and more vivid green, than the green around it.

But the LED itself is tinted, afaik, and usually LED's are very bright actually (as you denied earlier)

Quote from BlueFlame :

I didn't know India was tinted green. It's impossible for an LED light panel to reflect green, or a brighter and more vivid green, than the green around it.

Cars lights can appear red, despite the world not being tinted red... Have you ever seen colour glass/plastic before?

Those boards aren't flashing GREEN only. They are flashing yellow also. So you're still talking out of your proverbial.

I never said it was that. I was coming up with possible reasons why Lewis Hamilton was penalised given the apparent contradiction in the video. The zone MUST have been yellow, and Hamilton must have done something wrong in it.

It turns out to be a void argument anyway, as there was a car stopped in the image shown above (but you can't see it), and Lewis decided that was a good time to use his DRS. Thus he now has more penalties this year than race starts in his career. I can see why people think he's awesome.

Quote from tristancliffe :

I never said it was that. I was coming up with possible reasons why Lewis Hamilton was penalised given the apparent contradiction in the video. The zone MUST have been yellow, and Hamilton must have done something wrong in it.

It turns out to be a void argument anyway, as there was a car stopped in the image shown above (but you can't see it), and Lewis decided that was a good time to use his DRS. Thus he now has more penalties this year than race starts in his career. I can see why people think he's awesome.

FP2 BBC boys say the car was moved when Hamilton used DRS. There was no car, but still an apparent yellow flag because of 'marshalls in close proximity to the track', but not ON the track I may add. So on the limit, like a good racing driver will be, he saw it was clear, bypassed the flag because there wasn't a yellow light on his dash/wheel and nailed it.


So YOUR arguement is invalid. THE arguement isn't.

And by doing so broke the rules. Regardless of whether he could see the cause or not, that zone was yellow, and his dash, the yellow flags and his radio will have told him so. The marshals in proximity may have been intended to return to the track to collect debris, hence the zone remaining yellow. Had Hamilton spun whilst using his DRS, and hit a marshal because he couldn't be bothered to slow down a bit, then he'd look even stupider than he already does. Being a good racing driver he won't be on the limit in FP1 of a brand new, dusty circuit whilst testing things for the race, but that in itself doesn't rule out mistakes. Indeed, he went quite a lot quicker later in the session, suggesting that this lap wasn't on the limit (as would be prudent).

MY argument and THE argument are one and the same.

Quote from tristancliffe :

I'm sure it hasn't. But even if the board was not lit, there is a chance that it could look lit depending on the viewers position and the lighting conditions. Hard to say from a static image, but not impossible, and not even that unlikely.

I actually laughed at this.. I'm not too sure how those light panels are constructed maybe something like this with lots of LED's


.. but you make it sound like If I keep an eye on my the lights for a long time(while they are off), they could all flash vivid green at any moment!

Can we discuss the track itself rather than this nonsense?

I am actually enjoying it from what I have seen so far. If it remains this slippery / dusty on sunday, things could get interesting.

Hopefully no more dogs though...

Quote from tristancliffe :

And by doing so broke the rules. Regardless of whether he could see the cause or not, that zone was yellow, and his dash, the yellow flags and his radio will have told him so. The marshals in proximity may have been intended to return to the track to collect debris, hence the zone remaining yellow. Had Hamilton spun whilst using his DRS, and hit a marshal because he couldn't be bothered to slow down a bit, then he'd look even stupider than he already does. Being a good racing driver he won't be on the limit in FP1 of a brand new, dusty circuit whilst testing things for the race, but that in itself doesn't rule out mistakes. Indeed, he went quite a lot quicker later in the session, suggesting that this lap wasn't on the limit (as would be prudent).

MY argument and THE argument are one and the same.

No, the track was listed as still green, just a delay in the yellow flags still being waved which Hamilton should probably still have acted on but it's not crystal clear what kind of fail was made, but typically, anything with Hamilton and Mistake involved in any story and you blow it out of all proportion. If it was Alonso you'd say, meh shit happens.

Quote from Seb66 :

I actually laughed at this.. I'm not too sure how those light panels are constructed maybe something like this with lots of LED's


.. but you make it sound like If I keep an eye on my the lights for a long time(while they are off), they could all flash vivid green at any moment!

Not exactly. But catch the light right and, in your image, one could theoretically appear to be lit.

Quote from BlueFlame :

No, the track was listed as still green, just a delay in the yellow flags still being waved which Hamilton should probably still have acted on but it's not crystal clear what kind of fail was made, but typically, anything with Hamilton and Mistake involved in any story and you blow it out of all proportion. If it was Alonso you'd say, meh shit happens.

The track wasn't listed as green, otherwise he wouldn't have had a penalty applied and neither would Perez. The FIA will have looked at lots of data/video and decided that Hamilton activated his DRS whilst under yellows. Yellows that were being displayed at the time.

Look Blueflame stop kissing hamiltons ass and Tristan stop blaming Hamilton for everything wrong in your life.

We get it, you will argue for 30 pages over Hamilton doing the most measly thing to insure your right, fact is your both incompetent in knowing what your actual point is, rather just arguing to satisfy what little egos you have.

Quote from Mustafur :

Look Blueflame stop kissing hamiltons ass and Tristan stop blaming Hamilton for everything wrong in your life.

We get it, you will argue for 30 pages over Hamilton doing the most measly thing to insure your right, fact is your both incompetent in knowing what your actual point is, rather just arguing to satisfy what little egos you have.

I'm not kissing anyones ass, the fact that i barely defend him, deems in your eyes that I'm defending him outright shows that context of F1 society now.

Quote from tristancliffe :

And by doing so broke the rules. Regardless of whether he could see the cause or not, that zone was yellow, and his dash, the yellow flags and his radio will have told him so. The marshals in proximity may have been intended to return to the track to collect debris, hence the zone remaining yellow. Had Hamilton spun whilst using his DRS, and hit a marshal because he couldn't be bothered to slow down a bit, then he'd look even stupider than he already does. Being a good racing driver he won't be on the limit in FP1 of a brand new, dusty circuit whilst testing things for the race, but that in itself doesn't rule out mistakes. Indeed, he went quite a lot quicker later in the session, suggesting that this lap wasn't on the limit (as would be prudent).

MY argument and THE argument are one and the same.

You say he had a light on his dash, the problem is when we saw him passing the double waved yellows the time remaining at the top of the screen showed the yellows had been removed a good 4-5 seconds before he got to the flags. Now, if the yellow light on the dash system works from GPS/race control, he may not have got that light when he came round turn 17.

In addition, it seemed like light #18 (see http://fia.com/en-GB/mediacent ... Documents/ind-circuit.pdf and attached Sutil onboard image) was not flashing at all, and perhaps the lights at the previous corner were not yellow either. The other curious thing is that the green lights are controlled by either race control for all points green, or automatically by the previous light board going yellow - except as we saw, the previous one was not yellow.

All in all a bit strange, as you'd have thought the corner before would also be yellow on account of the double waved after it - normally there's a lot more obvious "yellow" about.

Quote from BlueFlame :

Seems my theory of the system failing them was correct judging by the above picture.


PROBLEM TRISTAN?

How so? The green flags/lights/signals SHOULD be shown AFTER the yellow flag area to notify the drivers the situation is clear.

Quote from amp88 :

How so? The green flags/lights/signals SHOULD be shown AFTER the yellow flag area to notify the drivers the situation is clear.

Well you should know amp, I was being sarcastic.

He's admitted he was at fault and accepted the penalty. He'll start 4th to 6th on the grid. It's really not a massive deal.

Interesting, similar birds eye view, though driving experience will surely differ due to the different direction, gradient, corner radius, and corner entry speed. Come to think of there is a slight resemblance between Westhill and Kyalami



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Quote from JPeace :

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+2

The track looks interesting.

Dust off-line will make overtaking difficult, but is offset by the two DRS zones.

Get rid of the stray dog.

If Hamilton goes fastest in Q3, will the stats count him as the pole-winner, or will it be the next-fastest guy?

Force India looks mighty. Possibly the best of the rest?

Disappointed that Chandhok didn't get to drive in the race. With all due respect for Trulli, it is time to make way for new blood and Chandhok was quite good in HRT last year.

Quote from BlueFlame :

I'm not kissing anyones ass, the fact that i barely defend him, deems in your eyes that I'm defending him outright shows that context of F1 society now.

how so, you defend him in every single situation came up since he started racing in f1, just as tristan blames him in the same scenario. its a no issue, he ignored yellow flags so what if its hes fault or not just deal with it, not like hes entire career depends on him not having the penalty, seasons already over, just save your excuses for next year.

How was FP3? I just missed it, by sleeping to long =3

Quote from rockclan :

How was FP3? I just missed it, by sleeping to long =3

Vettel, Button, Webber.

Oh, Vettel got pole, by the way. Hamilton was second fastest but will start P5 due to the grid penalty he earned in FP1. Webber will start in P2 with Alonso in P3. Button will move up to P4. Massa crashed in Q3, but will start in P6 behind Hamilton (oh fun).