I don't know about rFactor/GTR but certainly GPL had a much wider range of ages playing it. TBH I think this whole young people being persecuted is at RSC is just trouble stirring. I've never seen a situation where age has been a problem, there are more immature posts on this board but most of them are made by people that don't post reguarly, there are also more really agressive and arrogant posts here, particuarly ones aimed at the devs.
Yes, it has. Cause in contrary to GTR or rfactor, LFS is present in younger forums. Especially in germany, where the biggest LFS Userbase is, it profits from the ESL and the coverage of GIGA, which have a really young audience, compared to some 40+ oldies @ RSC. Another reason is the almost zero infos on rf in any games-mag out there.
Did you see any "Drifter-Team/Clan" in rf?
And on RSC there aren't? Are you nuts?
And there are more immature posts on this forum? I'll just give you one example... *digs up post from the rF forum*
http://forum.rscnet.org/showpo ... =3022437&postcount=56
Read my post, and then the two posts following it. Would I ever want to go back to that shithole? No. There's too many dumbasses that post regularly and contradict themselves 10 times per post.
RSC is beyond moderation.
Did you read my post?
GPL's a completely different story, and I can see it having a mature following, whatever the age group. As for 80% of the other sims on that fourm... I can't see how you'd want to be on the same forum as people like that. When is the last time you saw a flame war in this forum? To me that's much more important than anything else.
well i read some of Mr Kerrs other posts, he bashes every game for being slow, except rF which "iz just perfekt", the bashes GTR, GTL, GTR 2's physics (lol, no-one except SimBin have even DRIVEN GTR2!), and whenever someone says that a mod for rF has questionable physics, and everyone agrees, he says the "all should learn and try and stuff"!
I guess it's also a mojor important fact that all the young GTR/GTL players, which should be way more than 90%, are playing in Arcade mode with game pad, and have never heared anything about RSC.
In LFS, we have ALL ages, from 10 to 70 or something.
Also, people are way more relaxed and still understand that they are playing a GAME. Of course, LFS is a very realistic program, but still a game. You can make use of certain advantages which are not there in real life. Shift-S while racing (beaming car off the track), resetting car, no random damage.
All are things that improve the gameplay significantly, but don't really make LFS an arcade game - the loss is rather small compared to the gain, which is huge, because LFS is WAY WAY WAY more fun to play than ALL the other sims out there.
Maybe that's also the reason why many ppl over at RSC are just pissed too much - the sims they play are no games, and thus no fun
In LFS, we have ALL ages, from 10 to 70 or something.
Also, people are way more relaxed and still understand that they are playing a GAME. Of course, LFS is a very realistic program, but still a game. You can make use of certain advantages which are not there in real life. Shift-S while racing (beaming car off the track), resetting car, no random damage.
All are things that improve the gameplay significantly, but don't really make LFS an arcade game - the loss is rather small compared to the gain, which is huge, because LFS is WAY WAY WAY more fun to play than ALL the other sims out there.
Maybe that's also the reason why many ppl over at RSC are just pissed too much - the sims they play are no games, and thus no fun
^^ I think it depends on where you're racing as well in the N2003 leagues I've raced in people don't get steam heated when things go wrong the way they do even on some public LFS races.
I think this "drifting sim" image that LFS has is a big factor how many players see LFS as an arcadish game made for childs. It's pretty sad. Of course I don't blame drifters, I blame the tyre physics which makes possible unrealistically easy drifting.
So none of your editorial staff play LFS or even keep their fingers on the pulse of what's happening in LFS? No-one? Given LFS' popularity and the amount of critical praise and awards it receives, that beggars belief. For instance, it won the Best Simulation award in your (AutoSimSport, before you branched into VirtualMotorsports) own reader's awards poll. How is it that none of the editorial staff of a racing simulation ezine actually play the game that won their own Best Simulation award?
Don't you get it? By the time you've gotten to the end of the first paragraph, you'd want to play LFS so much that you wouldn't bother continuing the artice. 
Deggins, I have to disagree about the tyre physics. It is quite easy to slide in real life and LFS has the best tyre physics by a substantial margin, even over nK-Pro for me. I've never been left wondering why I spun or something like that and the car has never fealt "floaty" since the patch. Its not like there's no room for improvement, but it feels really really nice right now. The stuff that most of our drifters call "drifting" is really an insult to drifting TBH, as most of them cannot keep the car sliding for more than 2 corners, and even that's pushing it... considering how adjustable setups are and that drifting is a part of life, I don't see much wrong.
Deggins, I have to disagree about the tyre physics. It is quite easy to slide in real life and LFS has the best tyre physics by a substantial margin, even over nK-Pro for me. I've never been left wondering why I spun or something like that and the car has never fealt "floaty" since the patch. Its not like there's no room for improvement, but it feels really really nice right now. The stuff that most of our drifters call "drifting" is really an insult to drifting TBH, as most of them cannot keep the car sliding for more than 2 corners, and even that's pushing it... considering how adjustable setups are and that drifting is a part of life, I don't see much wrong.
Read his bloody post, if people write articles about LFS then (depending on being accepted) they'll be printed in the e-zine, so if you want LFS coverage why don't you write an article?
Stopping the upcoming inter sim flame war about why LFS is realistic/unrealistic at drifting remember that LFS has very adjustable setups and front engined RWD cars with road tires.
You don't get it, do you? They already have nine people on staff. If, between them, they are unable to keep their finger sufficiently on the pulse of what's going on in LFS to provide coverage, that's a sign of an apathetic editorial staff. To then turn around and blame lack of coverage on the userbase is beyond the pale. It's all moot anyway, as I don't see much point in these e-zines; almost all of the pertinent information in them is old news and has been hashed and rehashed several times over by the time they're released and the rest is filler.
^^ I doubt any of the Autocar editorial team drive Mazda MX5s despite giving it the best handling car of the year award.
Likewise how many out of RBR, GPL, N2003, GTR, LFS, rFactor, NSR, GTL, nK...
... do you know enough about that you could write an article on, I'd be very suprised if you can write anything other than a load of factless drivel on any more than 2 of them. Maybe if there was some interest and articles on LFS the editors would start playing LFS themselves and in the end of the day not everybody likes LFS for whatever reasons in the same way not everyone likes rFactor just learn to get a long if you want LFS in the e-zines you know what you can do.
Likewise how many out of RBR, GPL, N2003, GTR, LFS, rFactor, NSR, GTL, nK...
... do you know enough about that you could write an article on, I'd be very suprised if you can write anything other than a load of factless drivel on any more than 2 of them. Maybe if there was some interest and articles on LFS the editors would start playing LFS themselves and in the end of the day not everybody likes LFS for whatever reasons in the same way not everyone likes rFactor just learn to get a long if you want LFS in the e-zines you know what you can do.
yeah, take GTT, take a DFP with 900 or 720 degrees and do me such an "possible unrealistically easy drift", then you can continue... Oh, forgot about 3 pedals and H-shifter...
If you feel offended, you better rethink about the stuff I say.
And after I do that, promise that you do a 2-lap drift on an oval track in real life.
So you think grip regaining in the current physics is as correct as it can be? Drifting might be great example of advanced physics but I think it is currently kind of turned against LFS's image or at least the way how other people see it.
Its getting very close to what you can process on a computer in real time. And I don't recall Vykos calling it perfect, just saying that you are overlooking other reasons why drifting in LFS is so "easy" - setups, controllers, wheel diameter (very easy to flick the wheel) etc etc. And I'd rather have good physics than more people racing just because you "can't drift". Also note the car selection in LFS and compare it to the games where you can't drift.
And... when does a tyre actually loose grip? I think you're talking a lot without knowing much about tyre physics and the way LFS handles them either... Take a look at this thread:
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=7720
It should clarify plenty. Especially Todd Wasson's posts.
There's a lot going on in LFS that touches on the sim-racing world at large right now. Just off the top of my head, here are three subjects that any journalist worth his salt should be able to construct an article or two around:
1. the advent of the wrecker barricade to combat online wreckers. This touches on one of the biggest downsides to online racing events and online gaming in general: intentional wreckers. The topic can be spun out to a larger article easily. Discussion of the wrecker barricade could spur other user groups to do something similar with their game of choice, or even collaborate to compile a cross-game database of known wreckers. Lots of material in there;
2. the Intel Racing Tour 2006, where people compete against one another in virtual races using LFS with a BMW M6 as the grand prize. This leads to a discussion of increasing corporate sponsorship and increasing visibility of racing sims in the mainstream. You could also touch on other teams, series and leagues that have corporate sponsorship and more mainstream coverage e.g. ESL Germany which has LFS races broadcast on GIGA TV and the net, the upcoming ESL UK series, etc;
3. the recent release of the BMW Sauber F1 car for LFS (and possibly rFactor) leads to a discussion of IP licensing issues in racing sims /gaming/hobbies as a whole which could be an entire series of articles in its own right, with obvious references back to the corporate aspects of item 2 above;
There's plenty of material to report on, you just need to stop relying on members of the community to send you material and instead start doing some real journalism.
i think i just saw a big white glove.
I have a very simple mind, and so I think pretty simple
You ain't sure whether the guy on the other end of the classroom likes you, so you get mildly negative feeling about him; then that guy also ain't sure whether you like him, so he also put up a mildly negative face. On and On and On you two think "he must be hating me" while there are no real reasons.
Before RSC's "closure" and became commerical since it was a pretty decent place.....not sure about it now, and better not pretend I do.
You ain't sure whether the guy on the other end of the classroom likes you, so you get mildly negative feeling about him; then that guy also ain't sure whether you like him, so he also put up a mildly negative face. On and On and On you two think "he must be hating me" while there are no real reasons.
Before RSC's "closure" and became commerical since it was a pretty decent place.....not sure about it now, and better not pretend I do.
Well if you really want to read about them then write the articles.
Do you not get the idea behind these e-zines is members of the community write articles for them. For whatever reason members of the rFactor community do get off their asses and write stuff. I'm not too bothered about LFS being in these e-zines but for those of you that are stop complaining and help change the matter yourselves even if you do have to get off your arses in the process.
@JJ72 - RSC is still free
Write my own articles in order to see some LFS coverage? Why should I have to? These are supposedly professional or aspiring-to-be-professional magazines, they have advertizing, marketing and corporate relations staff, they have their own cadres of in-house editors and staff writers who write the overwhelming bulk of articles and other content and their objective is to "cover the exciting sport and hobby of simulated racing". Yet apparently their staff, who are able to churn out seemingly endless copy about FILSCA and rFactor, aren't able to keep up with what's going on in LFS and/or don't think there's anything worth reporting on. That's a crock. There's plenty of material to cover. There's just no interest in their part in doing so. You can practically smell the politics; it reeks.
And on that note, I'm done. You're welcome to the last word if you want it.
And on that note, I'm done. You're welcome to the last word if you want it.
RSC's commercial? Noone told me - I'm still getting my RSC action for nothin'
It did have to close and move a while ago (got hax0r'd), is that what you're talking about JJ72?
I don't read much simracing press but what I have read doesn't seem to say as much about LFS as it does about other sims. Maybe I'm not reading the right mags
But you'd think a groundbreaker like LFS should attract some sustained attention. It improves with each patch, the business model is innovative, the community strong and loyal, the devs close to the community and striving to keep LFS "clean" and un-diluted by second-hand second-rate content ... maybe it is political but I can't actualy tell as I generally give my attention to "real-world" politics and not those that revolve around gaming. I just play when I have the time and I love "new patch day"
It did have to close and move a while ago (got hax0r'd), is that what you're talking about JJ72?
I don't read much simracing press but what I have read doesn't seem to say as much about LFS as it does about other sims. Maybe I'm not reading the right mags
But you'd think a groundbreaker like LFS should attract some sustained attention. It improves with each patch, the business model is innovative, the community strong and loyal, the devs close to the community and striving to keep LFS "clean" and un-diluted by second-hand second-rate content ... maybe it is political but I can't actualy tell as I generally give my attention to "real-world" politics and not those that revolve around gaming. I just play when I have the time and I love "new patch day" I've seen some Driftmasters drift a whole track IRL (D1)...
It's the best out there atm. No other game/sim just even gets close. It is pretty damn realistic, and you should really think about the input-devices and how they change the reaction times and possibilities.
Why is LFS not in any of the simracing press?
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