Quote from BlueFlame :

It's only CCTV it's not some ultimate demon coming to get you watching you whilst you wank.

Private users use it on their own properties to protect their interests and the government does the same. You can just put random cameras where you want, there are obviously various permissions you need to attain before doing so.

I really don't know what fascinates people from the USA about CCTV and it's weird that you all seem to think that it's only the UK that has a great number of CCTV setups.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C ... ircuit_television#Privacy

Quote from BlueFlame :

If you're not doing anything wrong, why should CCTV bother you?

You are such a massive idiot it still amazes me sometimes.

Go troll somewhere else.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

You are such a massive idiot it still amazes me sometimes.

Go troll somewhere else.

Explain why you think it's an idiotic statement? Is it because I'm the only one here seemingly not wearing a tinfoil hat?

Quote from BlueFlame :

Explain why you think it's an idiotic statement? Is it because I'm the only one here seemingly not wearing a tinfoil hat?

I really don't have the patience, which is a shame because you are clearly too thick to work it out for yourself.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I really don't have the patience, which is a shame because you are clearly too thick to work it out for yourself.

Or not drugged up enough to understand your logic.

blueflame imagine that a man you don't know followed you everywhere you went, writing down in a notebook everything you do, say, and buy for the purpose of using that information against you in court. You see him everywhere you look from the time you leave your house to the time you get back home. If that doesn't bother you then perhaps you are an idiot.

If I can't watch every meeting and conversation one government agent has with another, why is it OK for them to know exactly where I am and what I'm doing at all times?

It's too late for the UK, it's not like they're going to take down all of the thousands of cameras they have set up, that's why the opposition to CCTV is so fierce in the US. I don't care if 7-11 films me buying a coke, but when their cameras are linked to a nationwide database it's gone too far.

Quote from RiseAgainstMe! :

Card:
Automatically charges how much you pump.

unless youre nto from the us and get stumped by the stupid thing asking you for you ****ing zip code
honestly the way us petrol stations work is just retarded beyond what words can describe

http://www.southparkstudios.co ... urity-camera#tab=featured
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Quote from BlueFlame :

It's only CCTV it's not some ultimate demon coming to get you watching you whilst you wank.

Private users use it on their own properties to protect their interests and the government does the same. You can just put random cameras where you want, there are obviously various permissions you need to attain before doing so.

I really don't know what fascinates people from the USA about CCTV and it's weird that you all seem to think that it's only the UK that has a great number of CCTV setups.

Corporations like Google spying on you. Bad.
CCTV to catch bad people and monitor the streets. Good.
Get my opinion now?

I think that this is a fantastic idea, but why stop at car insurance. Surely this should be extended to any 'crime' that the owner of the car may have committed.
Put your rubbish out on the wrong day ?, you don't deserve a car...
http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/F ... 3609715-detail/story.html
Or, http://ksax.com/article/stories/s2542515.shtml

Of course, this may be a problem if your not the registered owner, but it shouldn't take too long in police custody to resolve that.

If, in addition to checking on the car you also had to produced your biometric id card and have a quick DNA test before filling up then imagine how much safer you would be.

Naturally, this should be extended to any social interaction you have, want a pint of milk, quick DNA test to prove your not a criminal and away you go.

And with the number of CCTV cameras then they can clearly track these criminals as they attempt to flee from societys wrath.

Remember, your in a never ending "War on Terrortm"

Quote from flymike91 :

blueflame imagine that a man you don't know followed you everywhere you went, writing down in a notebook everything you do, say, and buy for the purpose of using that information against you in court.

Flymike Implicated In Surprising Clue-Having Incident

Quote from Shotglass :

unless youre nto from the us and get stumped by the stupid thing asking you for you ****ing zip code
honestly the way us petrol stations work is just retarded beyond what words can describe

Then you just have to go inside and pay there... not that big of a deal really.

But that's funny They don't all do that btw, only some of them.

Quote from flymike91 :

blueflame imagine that a man you don't know followed you everywhere you went, writing down in a notebook everything you do, say, and buy for the purpose of using that information against you in court. You see him everywhere you look from the time you leave your house to the time you get back home. If that doesn't bother you then perhaps you are an idiot.

If I can't watch every meeting and conversation one government agent has with another, why is it OK for them to know exactly where I am and what I'm doing at all times?

I'm not doing anything illegal so I don't care if someone is watching me, I also have my own life so I don't care that they can watch me doing menial shit and I can't watch them doing the same thing.

If cameras make you nervous then you're not confident in yourself that what you do is legal. CCTV is a protection network. You can get out of sticky situations by pointing at a camera so the CCTV operators are alerted and the criminals are deterred.

It's not some big conspiracy where CCTV operators are preying on your every movement and as soon as you spit on the ground you get arrested by suits and bundled into a van.

I'd rather be watched externally outside of my own home then have my internet activity and payments tracked like you guys do in the US.

The whole point is CCTV in a public place is controlled by the government. If you have such a lack of trust in your government that you think they will record footage of you and then twist it to manufacture you were doing something illegal then I pity you.

As it stands in regards to CCTV I trust my government entirely. The people responsible and the reason it is there is not to spy on people or be intrusive, it's to stop crime and bring justice to those who need it. IS IT REALLY THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

Quote from BlueFlame :

It's not some big conspiracy where CCTV operators are preying on your every movement and as soon as you spit on the ground you get arrested by suits and bundled into a van.

Well that would probably create jobs

Quote from RiseAgainstMe! :

Well that would probably create jobs

Yea, I could use a van driver job.

we may not be at that point yet, but it seems like we're moving towards that reality rather than away from it. But no one can know what the situation will be like 25 years from now.

hypothetical situation, you are accused of raping someone. They have video of you going to an adult video store every week.
"ladies and gentleman of the jury, look at this pervert buying porn all the time, he is obviously a rapist!"
"Sounds good to me I just want to go home"
"Another horrible monster will spend the rest of his life in jail we are so awesome and justice"

who goes to adult video stores since the internet?

Quote from BlueFlame :

If cameras make you nervous then you're not confident in yourself that what you do is legal.

The law changes.

You might trust this government entirely, but do you trust all future governments who will also have access to this information?

Well clearly I'm just not a paranoid person because paranoia is the only word to describe this un-easiness that people seem to feel about/around CCTV.

I just really don't see the problem. It's not like in the UK they have cameras on every street corner, it's just like it is in America in mall and shopping outlets aswell as some people private properties. The only difference is in the UK we have CCTV on most of our highstreets and hotspots where alot of people walk around.

I'm not going to sit around contemplating who is watching my via CCTV and why. I'll just get on with my life. People treat cameras as a conspiracy but I've never known anybody to be wrongly convicted because of something that was seen or misinterpreted on CCTV.

If you never break a single law, you must be the most boring idiot on the ****ing planet. Are you trying to tell me that you have never exceeded a speed limit in your life?

I think it's healthy to question everything your governors do. From the basic act of pursuing election to each ruling that follows, you will find that almost none of it is for your benefit. Governments operate nations like corporations, competing with eachother, we're just the workforce, and the more of us they make redundant the more of us they can force into unpaid labour.

The more restrictions and intrusions you accept, the more they will clamp down. If you can't even bring yourself to object, eventually you will be living like a household pet. And y'know my dog seems to be pretty happy, but by human standards he's also pretty stupid.

Quote from RiseAgainstMe! :

Then you just have to go inside and pay there... not that big of a deal really.

at which point you have to somehow magically know how much petrol youll need

Quote from thisnameistaken :

And y'know my dog seems to be pretty happy, but by human standards he's also pretty stupid.

thats the best blueflame analogy ive ever read
well played sir

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I think it's healthy to question everything your governors do. From the basic act of pursuing election to each ruling that follows, you will find that almost none of it is for your benefit. Governments operate nations like corporations, competing with eachother, we're just the workforce, and the more of us they make redundant the more of us they can force into unpaid labour.

The more restrictions and intrusions you accept, the more they will clamp down. If you can't even bring yourself to object, eventually you will be living like a household pet. And y'know my dog seems to be pretty happy, but by human standards he's also pretty stupid.

Of course it's healthy to ask questions about anything but again it's not some grand conspiracy in which the government will control our lives.

If you let yourself be bothered by things you ultimately can't do a damn thing about, you'll live a life of paranoia and general misery. So why bother? CCTV doesn't directly affect your life until you commit a crime or someone commits a crime against you.



And Deko in regards to breaking laws, I've broken many, but it doesn't mean that I don't think it wrong but as an arguement against CCTV it's very poor to suggest CCTV is bad because people can't get away with crime. Although I agree CCTV to the extent of catching traffic law breakers is a poor application of the system.

Quote from Shotglass :

at which point you have to somehow magically know how much petrol youll need

No, with your card the person inside should be able to activate the pump to charge the card the correct amount when you are done.

Quote from RiseAgainstMe! :

No, with your card the person inside should be able to activate the pump to charge the card the correct amount when you are done.

We don't have much of a problem in the UK with Bilking (driving off without paying for fuel, although it does happen. Which is stupid as they have CCTV there anyway so your plate would be registered and you'd be charged.