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On April 26, 2012, the House of Representatives passed CISPA
There we go, ladies and gentlemen.... a law in many ways worse than SOPA has been passed and this one was backed by many companies and one of them is f***ing Facebook.

Quote :The Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) is a proposed law in the United States which would allow for the sharing of internet traffic information between the U.S. government and certain technology and manufacturing companies. The stated aim of the bill is to help the U.S Government investigate cyber threats and ensure the security of networks against cyber attack.[1]

CISPA has garnered favor from corporations and lobbying groups such as Microsoft, Facebook and the United States Chamber of Commerce, which look on it as a simple and effective means of sharing important cyber threat information with the government.[2] CISPA has been criticized by advocates of internet privacy and civil liberties, such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the American Civil Liberties Union, and Avaaz.org, because they argue it contains too few limits on how and when the government may monitor private individual’s internet browsing information. Additionally, they fear that such new powers could be used to surveil the general public rather than to pursue malicious hackers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C ... haring_and_Protection_Act

So long democracy, so long freedom of speech... welcome post WWII "hunt for communists"... now the most paranoid government in the world has a legal grip on ALL of the information cruising the net.

For all of you youngsters, I think it's time to read George Orwell's "1984" if you haven't already.
#2 - PoVo
The problem with all these acts are that nobody can understand what you cannot do on the internet any more.

It's crazy! I might even get jailed for posting this because I'm illegally using the English language
#3 - Fuse5
Quote from PoVo :The problem with all these acts are that nobody can understand what you cannot do on the internet any more.

It's crazy! I might even get jailed for posting this because I'm illegally using the English language

exactly
your bottom statement is a prime example of being clueless about the matter at hand
Just to play devil's advocate because I don't think congress has any idea what they're doing, but US internet users, corporations, and institutions have almost no defense against anonymous foreign hackers who steal financial information and copyrighted material. I don't know how they could catch any of these guys who are making millions illegally but live in countries where either the government ignores (or promotes) cyber attacks like China, or countries that don't have the resources to catch cyber criminals like in Russia.

Is there a way to protect US networks from harmful cyber attacks that originate in countries outside of the US government's juristiction without monitoring internet traffic?

A large scale attack on US networks would be very a expensive disaster because of a possible disruption of many different types of infrastructure. I want the government to protect me from foreign attacks because that's actually something they're supposed to do, but also I don't want them to see my fap folder because its not even hidden that good.
Quote from flymike91 :Just to play devil's advocate because I don't think congress has any idea what they're doing, but US internet users, corporations, and institutions have almost no defense against anonymous foreign hackers who steal financial information and copyrighted material. I don't know how they could catch any of these guys who are making millions illegally but live in countries where either the government ignores (or promotes) cyber attacks like China, or countries that don't have the resources to catch cyber criminals like in Russia.

Is there a way to protect US networks from harmful cyber attacks that originate in countries outside of the US government's juristiction without monitoring internet traffic?

A large scale attack on US networks would be very a expensive disaster because of a possible disruption of many different types of infrastructure. I want the government to protect me from foreign attacks because that's actually something they're supposed to do, but also I don't want them to see my fap folder because its not even hidden that good.

if a hacker is good enough you have no chance to catch him/her even with this law, so this is more then a bullsh...t then a good thing...
Quote from flymike91 :I want the government to protect me from foreign attacks because that's actually something they're supposed to do, but also I don't want them to see my fap folder because its not even hidden that good.

That's a good point. But I don't think they would give a fap about our privacy if they "suspect" their interests are endangered. And the term "their interests" is very wide.
#7 - bbman
Quote from flymike91 :Is there a way to protect US networks from harmful cyber attacks that originate in countries outside of the US government's juristiction without monitoring internet traffic?

How exactly does a unilateral law protect your networks from the outside by monitoring the traffic?
bbman has a point here. Monitoring doesn't necessarily mean protection. Maybe I'm missing something here, but how exactly is CISPA supposed to help disclose hackers who all use Tor - a strongly encrypted network tunnels which make tracing it's users almost impossible - and who by all chances live in countries where US law/gov has no jurisdiction? I'm sorry to put it like this, but the argument flymike used sounded a lot like the kind of propaganda I'd expect to hear from a politician trying to make this act look good in the eyes of the general public... or maybe I should just find the full text of CISPA and educate myself better before making such statements...
I'm not very computer-savvy I don't even know how to use torrents or proxies. So i'm not insinuating anything I actually don't know the best way for the government to protect against cyber attacks. The answer may be more political than technical, with the US leaning on foreign governments to enforce US copyrights or simply being given permission to arrest and extradite foreign cyber criminals.
It's a bit like claiming you're preventing people coming over the Mexican border by randomly strip-searching people in New York 'to check they're not Mexican'.
I don't think they have the manpower to randomly investigate people
#13 - PoVo
Quote from flymike91 :, or countries that don't have the resources to catch cyber criminals like in Russia.

You're kidding me right?
Quote from Crashgate3 :It's a bit like claiming you're preventing people coming over the Mexican border by randomly strip-searching people in New York 'to check they're not Mexican'.

Well those Mexicans can get everywhere.
Like British Underground Stations.
In America they shoot Mexicans.
In Britain they just shoot innocent people.
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt by assuming they don't have the resources because a lot of hackers operate from Russia but they don't seem to get caught very often.
Before all of you go crazy, just realize that only the House has passed this bill so far, on it moves to the senate.
OK, took a look into the text... What I make of it:

- It revolves completely around the term cyber threat, which according to their definition ranges from just checking for vulnerabilities (in government systems) to gaining access to extract information and/or disrupt service.
- National intelligence can establish "cybersecurity providers" in the private sector and can grant them security clearance to share information - this is even encouraged by the bill.
- These providers may use "cybersecurity systems to gain cyber threat information" (basically hacking themselves), but can't be prosecuted for it - wait, what?
Blargh, seriously, America **** off
I want to watch my porn alone without having to fear someone is stalking me!
bbman the government doesn't establish cybersecurity providers, they already exist (Norton, Symantec, Mcafee) The point of encouraging them to share info with the government and between themselves is so that networks can be more adaptable to emerging security threats. They don't need to...hack themselves... nor would it be illegal.
Well, I did state a few months ago after the last security bill was voted out that the next one would be worse and here we are.

For people like Mike who are slowly waking up, here are a few facts about this stunning legislation, as well as why the corporates want it.

"While I thought such a thing would never be possible, indeed the final version of CISPA is considerably more dangerous than the previous incarnations. This is because the amendment, put forth by Representative Ben Quayle, an Arizona Republican, actually expanded the scope of CISPA and allows even more reasons for private information to be shared with the government.
The most insane part about this amendment is that, according to Tech Dirt, it was actually billed as an amendment which would limit the government’s power to obtain personal, private information belonging to Americans.
While previously the government was only able to use information for “cybersecurity” or “national security” purposes (which is already incredibly broad), the amendment actually added three more reasons: investigation and prosecution of alleged cybersecurity crimes, protection of individuals, and protection of children.


Essentially, our Fourth Amendment rights – which have already been whittled away considerably by legislation passed under the guise of fighting terrorism – have been completely eradicated on the internet.
Indeed, the government and their corporate cronies are completely protected from any and all violations of privacy protections, thanks to CISPA, and they are now able to do whatever they please with the information they collect so long as they claim it involves cybersecurity, national security or harm to an individual or a child.
So long as they can claim that it falls under one of those headings, they can circumvent each and every law that would otherwise limit the government’s power.
To make matters even worse, CISPA completely protects the corporations who hand over the information, so long as they think they’re doing the right thing.
Indeed, the EFF has pointed out that CISPA “provides ‘good faith’ immunity for using ‘cybersecurity systems’ to obtain information, for not acting on information that a company learns, and for making any decisions based on the information they learn. If a company learns about a security flaw, fails to fix it, and users’ information is misused or stolen, companies cannot be held liable as long as the company acted ‘in good faith’ according to CISPA. Companies “acting in good faith” are also excused from all liability for engaging in potential countermeasures, even if they hurt innocent parties.”
It should hardly be surprising that corporations would grab such an opportunity to have near absolute immunity from legal actions against them.


To make matters even worse, on top of the legal protections already mentioned, CISPA gives companies anti-trust protection in order to make them immune to allegations of collusion on cybersecurity issues.
Furthermore, Internet Service Providers (ISPs) are allowed to bypass all privacy laws and share information with each other under the guise of thwarting a cyber attack.
The ISPs are not required to hide any personal data, including information which could identify the individual, when it believes a cybersecurity threat has been detected (the key word here is “believes”).
Keep in mind, CISPA is playing a part in fleshing out the already extensive Big Brother surveillance grid in the United States.
Indeed, combined with the National Security Agency
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So long democracy, so long freedom of speech... welcome post WWII "hunt for communists"... now the most paranoid government in the world has a legal grip on ALL of the information cruising the net.

If democracy would be real, these laws wouldn't be close to getting signed. Democracy is a running joke.
So racer X just copy pasted the entire "End the Lie" blog for us, thank you for that obviously unbiased source. I'll attempt to illuminate another side of the issue:

I can see why ISPs like Time Warner and AT&T are involved with the RIAA and movie producers. They are both also cable TV and PPV providers. Audio and video entertainment is one the United State's most valuable exports, currently being stolen and distributed for profit all over the world.

Again i think people are seriously overestimating the power of the US government to individually investigate every single internet user in the world.
Quote from flymike91 :So racer X just copy pasted the entire "End the Lie" blog for us, thank you for that obviously unbiased source.

did you really expect anything different? i gave up trying to even acknowledge his existance ages ago.
As anything I post may require thought. That rules you two out then.

Ok, Mike, as you can't cope with posted information as it requires 'reading' then in answer to your question I'll post a one word answer.

Echelon

And I'll leave S14 to play pooh sticks with his ford..........
You play with the poo sticks. But then you stopped when you thought they were crop dusting chemicals in your water supply.
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