OT, about the used games, recently i've read, that european comission stated, that used software might be re-selled, without any exceptions... so i guess that's another good thing they did in multimedia laws, after banishing ACTA.
I was just extrapolating from my awareness of the current games market. Perhaps the number is a little off, but what games really worth playing are consoles or PC exclusive? All I can think of ATM is GT5, Heavy Rain and maybe Forza on the consoles.... and nothing on the PC (apart from hardcore sims and MMORPGs).
I don't have a first hand experience with it, but what are the odds that a FW update will break a console? I don't say it can't happen, but as far as statistic goes I reckon PC are more prone to occasional problems. Some people are comfortable fixing this stuff themselves, some would rather just hit the power button and play, it's a matter of choice.
I realize that the prices differ from region to region a lot, but at least here one would have to buy about 25 games to make up for the higher price of an average gaming PC.
@Boris:
I suppose this debate is not of much help
If you use a PC extensively for work or other kind of stuff, a new gaming-grade PC will definitely pay off. If on the other hand your PC is a simple Internet terminal and multimedia center, a PS3 Slim might be a better choice as long as you've been comfortable with the Sony's ecosystem.Oh i'm comfortable with it, i like that it's 'same for all', not one person is in advantage towards the other, that's one of the reasons i bought the PS3 in the first place. But they are fragile things, you can't really prevent Ylod from happening, you can't make it's cooling system more efficient then it is, as soon the room is mildly hot it kicks off it extra loud fans, i never heard a PC that loud.
Also, even if i hate to admit, piracy, i haven't played pletora of games this gen just because i didn't fancy buying all of them, and i'm sure i've missed out plenty of good titles.
Then, double clicking an icon is much faster and convenient then changing the discs and waiting for much longer loading times (PES takes like 3 minutes to get you to the main menu).
I can make PC's cooling system much efficient with extra fans and all that..
Also, even if i hate to admit, piracy, i haven't played pletora of games this gen just because i didn't fancy buying all of them, and i'm sure i've missed out plenty of good titles.
Then, double clicking an icon is much faster and convenient then changing the discs and waiting for much longer loading times (PES takes like 3 minutes to get you to the main menu).
I can make PC's cooling system much efficient with extra fans and all that..
Don't forget upgradable heatsinks, all-in-one coolers, and even cases turned 90 degrees to facilitate better cooling (a la Silverstone Raven and Silverstone FT02)
There is few things FW update can screw, one is console itself (to get the idea how frequent that happens you can check playstation forums) and another is game compatibility, I dont update anything as long as I am not forced (Usually by game) but after FW updates there is always tons of reports when random games suddenly stopped working.
If your windows having near death experience you can fix it in many ways.
With PS3 butchered FW update mean service and everything else at least format. I have constant power outages and I am a bit tense every time I have to update my FW
I've been hearing it about loud PS3 and I dont know why but my PS3 is pretty quite, I am not even sure whether fan goes on higher gear at all, maybe those newer models just so quite (for reference I have CECH-3004B).
You have the newer slim version, it's much quieter than the original version.
I just hopped by. Let me summarize the thread for you:
PC is good.
Console is not.
And about the piracy part, you do realise this is huge on consoles too nowadays?
PC is good.
Console is not.
And about the piracy part, you do realise this is huge on consoles too nowadays?
Not really, on PS3 you have to choose beatween piracy and online gaming, can't have both. And on XBOX you can have both but if ban hammer catches you you're fcked.
How is different from pc?
Cause once you hack the console, you lose online compatibility, since online demands newest firmware, and you can't have newest since hacked games only work on like 5 months old firmware.
Jesus Bose, that's pretty harsh. Ok, I should be at fault for overgeneralizing a lot of the points or making very stupid ones (yeah that productivity thing was a dumb one. I just woke up when I wrote that. Sue me.)
Maybe I should've been more specific then.
-The PC is more expensive than the console. But if you plan on buying a lot of games or doing something productive, then yes it is cheaper.
-Component failure is still a pain in the ass. How MUCH of a pain it is depends on the user. To me it's no big deal because I know how to work with a PC. To others it can become a convenience issue or challenge TO THEM. I owned a PS3 and I have fixed it on numerous occasions due to overheating caused by the thermal compound flaking out. That can be fixed. The motherboard fried later on. That couldn't be fixed because you can't transfer the GPU and CPU to another one (obviously) and I lost all my data because the PS3 prevents hard drives from being transfered to another PS3 without formatting it first (stupid on my part because I should've backed up often). So in my case and probably Boris' (I don't know him personally so I'm going out on a limb here) a PC is better because we ARE capable of working the innards of a PC. If he wasn't capable (and again, I don't know) well then that's a negative point.
-Viruses: Nobody is perfect. No system is secure. Chances of getting one depend on how smart the user is. It's still a point against a PC. How bad this may seem is up to the user. To me, hardly an issue at all. I don't run an anti-virus. I don't use Internet Exploder (though at this point it has gotten better). I don't mess with a risky click. To Boris, I don't know.
-The internet, porn, productivity argument. Forget it. It was stupid anyways.
-System slowdown. Again, I don't know Boris. Maybe he's aware of it. Maybe he isn't. I know people who clutter their computer full of crap and wonder why it takes forever for it to search folders or load programs. A few trips to the recycle bin and uninstaller along with a defrag speeds up the system noticeably for those people. Also, if I had an SSD, then I wouldn't have to worry about defragging because the read speeds and access times on those things are insanely high and defragging would just lower the life cycle of the SSD. Not everyone knows this and I'm not trolling. I actually clean out the crap off of my dad's and brother's PCs because they don't know shit. And guess how my dad's first laptop died? Clogged full of dust and burnt out. But I guess consoles do that too. It's still a point to bring up regardless and with lots more vents and holes in a typical PC case to get the air flowing, you bet it's a good idea to keep those clean.
-Ease of use. Game compatibility is an issue sometimes. Yes developers do whatever is feasible to them. But they aren't going to get every possible combination of PC set up at once. Still, it's a rare issue on my side so not a big deal to ME. But maybe not on other peoples' sides. I don't know. A console's hardware is pretty constant so it's harder to run into incompatibilities or performance issue but yes, some developers manage to screw that up.
-Updates. Actually both PCs and consoles have these (I forgot damnit.). Yes they're good, yes they help. No, that doesn't make them any less annoying. You know what, drop this argument. It wasn't great to begin with and I was probably nitpicking.
-Piracy: Yes it happens no matter what. That doesn't help the fact that the developers screwed everyone over (console or PC, though I'm not sure what developers do on the console front) to protect their shit. For the consoles however, modifying your console to play pirated games is riskier than just downloading the game and a few cracks and whatnot so it's not as popular on the console front. With the console sector taken care of the developers then turn their attention to the PC sector and then screw us over more because apparently they think everyone can and will pirate and they think that everyone WANTS to buy their game. People pirate shit they DON'T want too so whatever potential customer they thought they had doesn't exist. But enough of the piracy debate. In the end it screws everyone over, the PC more so than the console. And with new (supposed) developments to the consoles to prevent people from playing used copies, everything is going to shit.
Lastly I want to say this. I'm a PC person. But I'm trying to offer Boris as many perspectives into this as possible by providing as many views into this issue, good or bad, as possible. I want him to make an informed decision. Maybe I should've asked him how much he VALUES each of the positives or negatives. Maybe he can value those things himself. I just gave him all the information I could think of within 20 minutes of waking up from my 7 hour slumber. Yes the PC is superior to ME, to YOU, but maybe convenience of a console is more valuable to OTHERS. Maybe these people are technologically impaired or afraid to touch the innards of a PC because they THINK they are incapable of doing it themselves. Or whatever.
I hate threads like these. Everywhere. People try to help each other and it turns into a console vs. PC debate. I don't hate you Boris. In fact I'm glad to help. I just hate how things like this become debates everywhere.
Bose, I don't hate you either, but I hope you realize that I'm trying to help by listing the goods and bads of a PC. It isn't sunshine and rainbows over here.
As for the PC vs console debate:
Maybe I should've been more specific then.
-The PC is more expensive than the console. But if you plan on buying a lot of games or doing something productive, then yes it is cheaper.
-Component failure is still a pain in the ass. How MUCH of a pain it is depends on the user. To me it's no big deal because I know how to work with a PC. To others it can become a convenience issue or challenge TO THEM. I owned a PS3 and I have fixed it on numerous occasions due to overheating caused by the thermal compound flaking out. That can be fixed. The motherboard fried later on. That couldn't be fixed because you can't transfer the GPU and CPU to another one (obviously) and I lost all my data because the PS3 prevents hard drives from being transfered to another PS3 without formatting it first (stupid on my part because I should've backed up often). So in my case and probably Boris' (I don't know him personally so I'm going out on a limb here) a PC is better because we ARE capable of working the innards of a PC. If he wasn't capable (and again, I don't know) well then that's a negative point.
-Viruses: Nobody is perfect. No system is secure. Chances of getting one depend on how smart the user is. It's still a point against a PC. How bad this may seem is up to the user. To me, hardly an issue at all. I don't run an anti-virus. I don't use Internet Exploder (though at this point it has gotten better). I don't mess with a risky click. To Boris, I don't know.
-The internet, porn, productivity argument. Forget it. It was stupid anyways.
-System slowdown. Again, I don't know Boris. Maybe he's aware of it. Maybe he isn't. I know people who clutter their computer full of crap and wonder why it takes forever for it to search folders or load programs. A few trips to the recycle bin and uninstaller along with a defrag speeds up the system noticeably for those people. Also, if I had an SSD, then I wouldn't have to worry about defragging because the read speeds and access times on those things are insanely high and defragging would just lower the life cycle of the SSD. Not everyone knows this and I'm not trolling. I actually clean out the crap off of my dad's and brother's PCs because they don't know shit. And guess how my dad's first laptop died? Clogged full of dust and burnt out. But I guess consoles do that too. It's still a point to bring up regardless and with lots more vents and holes in a typical PC case to get the air flowing, you bet it's a good idea to keep those clean.
-Ease of use. Game compatibility is an issue sometimes. Yes developers do whatever is feasible to them. But they aren't going to get every possible combination of PC set up at once. Still, it's a rare issue on my side so not a big deal to ME. But maybe not on other peoples' sides. I don't know. A console's hardware is pretty constant so it's harder to run into incompatibilities or performance issue but yes, some developers manage to screw that up.
-Updates. Actually both PCs and consoles have these (I forgot damnit.). Yes they're good, yes they help. No, that doesn't make them any less annoying. You know what, drop this argument. It wasn't great to begin with and I was probably nitpicking.
-Piracy: Yes it happens no matter what. That doesn't help the fact that the developers screwed everyone over (console or PC, though I'm not sure what developers do on the console front) to protect their shit. For the consoles however, modifying your console to play pirated games is riskier than just downloading the game and a few cracks and whatnot so it's not as popular on the console front. With the console sector taken care of the developers then turn their attention to the PC sector and then screw us over more because apparently they think everyone can and will pirate and they think that everyone WANTS to buy their game. People pirate shit they DON'T want too so whatever potential customer they thought they had doesn't exist. But enough of the piracy debate. In the end it screws everyone over, the PC more so than the console. And with new (supposed) developments to the consoles to prevent people from playing used copies, everything is going to shit.
Lastly I want to say this. I'm a PC person. But I'm trying to offer Boris as many perspectives into this as possible by providing as many views into this issue, good or bad, as possible. I want him to make an informed decision. Maybe I should've asked him how much he VALUES each of the positives or negatives. Maybe he can value those things himself. I just gave him all the information I could think of within 20 minutes of waking up from my 7 hour slumber. Yes the PC is superior to ME, to YOU, but maybe convenience of a console is more valuable to OTHERS. Maybe these people are technologically impaired or afraid to touch the innards of a PC because they THINK they are incapable of doing it themselves. Or whatever.
I hate threads like these. Everywhere. People try to help each other and it turns into a console vs. PC debate. I don't hate you Boris. In fact I'm glad to help. I just hate how things like this become debates everywhere.
Bose, I don't hate you either, but I hope you realize that I'm trying to help by listing the goods and bads of a PC. It isn't sunshine and rainbows over here.
As for the PC vs console debate:
I very much apreciate your help Scatter, very helpfull. I'm not a person who dares to change the thermal paste on a processor for example, i can change some components and stuff, i like the fact that i clean it from dust very easily, whereas i don't even dare to open a PS3.
You made some really good points and helped me greatly, tomorrow a friend is going to change thermal pastes and tightenn the coolers and heatsinks, so i'll see if that will shut down this awfull noise
And please no PC vs Consoles debates, it's fckin stupid, i've been to both worlds and both have pro's and con's.
You made some really good points and helped me greatly, tomorrow a friend is going to change thermal pastes and tightenn the coolers and heatsinks, so i'll see if that will shut down this awfull noise
And please no PC vs Consoles debates, it's fckin stupid, i've been to both worlds and both have pro's and con's.
Yes please.
As for the PS3. I hope it gets fixed. I miss my Gran Turismo 5 and I'm sure you will miss some nice games on it too (if your PS3 dies). Also, I'm assuming you have the fat PS3. I learned that the design of that PS3 (especially later on) was pretty bad (cheap thermal paste, bad fans to cut costs probably) which lead to the console failing after a few years (3 or 4 or so). My PS3 kept overheating which eventually burnt the motherboard out. I hope your PS3 hasn't overheated as often and you caught that early enough to change the thermal paste and keep the ps3 cooler.
I had the YLOD a year ago, which has been "fixed", cause i don't think you can fix it permanently once it Ylods unless you reball it, which is a pretty hardcore method and i don't know anybody that does it. So yeah i haven't caught it on time not to Ylod.. but it's been a year since that fix so who knows, maybe with a new paste it can run a year more.. Yeah it's the Fat 40gb.
just sell it on for parts or bring it to the toy shops that sell hundreds, i did that when mine broke and he gave me a like for like exchange without receipt.
3 hundred euros would get you a 6xxx ATi card, core duo or better cpu + board, case and crappy psu... strech a little further and get a 6 gbps HDD and you're good to go...
though imo i'd aim for i5, even if its not O.C able ( 2500k or better right ? ) in standard for their pretty decent...
As people say, it's both good and bad things about both choises, but at same time both choises are actually quite good.
However, I recommend PC. I would like to point out that I don't have a consolle, so please keep that in mind also.
The reason why I chose PC is due to the fact that it's not so... uhm, strict! You have endless of possibilities! Theres allways a mod, add-on or cool new stuff to add to the games you own, thanks to the internet. For example even shitty games can turn out to quite a pearl, like the Arma 2 DayZ mod.
Also, when you got a problem there is usually a sollution out there, thanks to all the various forums and netpages, so with some work most problems are possible to fix.
So in the end of the day PC is more expensive, more complex and can bring up more problems than a console, yet I would chose it anyday thanks to it flexibility and possibilities.
However, I recommend PC. I would like to point out that I don't have a consolle, so please keep that in mind also.
The reason why I chose PC is due to the fact that it's not so... uhm, strict! You have endless of possibilities! Theres allways a mod, add-on or cool new stuff to add to the games you own, thanks to the internet. For example even shitty games can turn out to quite a pearl, like the Arma 2 DayZ mod.
Also, when you got a problem there is usually a sollution out there, thanks to all the various forums and netpages, so with some work most problems are possible to fix.
So in the end of the day PC is more expensive, more complex and can bring up more problems than a console, yet I would chose it anyday thanks to it flexibility and possibilities.
You're the first I guess, lol. That picture however made me lauh.
At the end of the day, just ask yourself what kind of player you are and decide which platform fits the best with that. If you're a FPS gamer a PC etc.
Yes, it's all preference in the end. Glad that gif brought laughs, it's a keeper!
Well i (not me actually) changed the thermal pastes, cleaned it out and tightened the heatsink, to no avail... still the same. Kicks in high gear pretty quickly and says 'stop playing' after 5 mins 
Boris - I have not read through all the topic, so sorry if you answered this before. But have you desided what you will go for - an upgrade on the PC or consolle playing?
I was thinking about buying a PS3 rather than updating my PC. I didn't buy one in the end because I can't help thinking Sony are likely to replace the PS3 soon. I think they've said they will give the PS3 ten years before they put out the next generation but I'm not sure I believe them. 
So then I thought I should bring my PC up to date, and then I thought about all the time I currently spend doing creative stuff instead of playing computer games, and how all the people playing games online are unbearable ****s, and how I used to have to get drunk just to play TF2 or BF2 online because of all the griefers and people chasing achievements instead of playing the game, and ultimately I thought 'Nah'.
So I bought another double bass instead. It's really nice!
So then I thought I should bring my PC up to date, and then I thought about all the time I currently spend doing creative stuff instead of playing computer games, and how all the people playing games online are unbearable ****s, and how I used to have to get drunk just to play TF2 or BF2 online because of all the griefers and people chasing achievements instead of playing the game, and ultimately I thought 'Nah'.
So I bought another double bass instead. It's really nice!
Another reason to buy PS3 now, if sony replaces it a lot of good games will become unavailable very fast and you miss them forever.
After PS3 was released it was harder and harder to find games for PS2 and because of that I missed tons of good games I wanted to play.
Some of them are being re-released as HD edition for PS3 but its only a small percentage and IIRC costs like a brand new PS3 game.
I wouldn't worry, there is supposed to be a new PS3 slim coming out..
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I'm still not sure, i thought yesterday's little maintanance operation would fix my ps3 but i still can only play 4, 5 minutes before it overheats.
Thing that worries me about PC gaming, BF3 to be precise, is that people are a lot more hardcore, they fly with Joysticks and whatnot, when i tried it at my friends house i couldn't stay alive for more then 10 seconds, people in helicopters were destroying me.
I really have no idea what to do, PES 2013 demo is coming out in a few days and i can't play it..
@lukelfs
I'm sure that's fake, that thing looks horrid.
I'm not sure tbh, I think it is real.
Lean me towards PC gaming again..
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