At least the 'eyebrow man' is a real fighter, not a hotlapper like Sebastian 'crymeariver' Vettel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ6zTfX73a0

Alonso's performance this season is worth 100x more than Vettel's.

....you don't think Alonso would be unhappy with that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xATvuSUOs5c

WHAT MORE I HAVE TO DO?????

Remember Singapore eh Vettel?

But yeah Alonso is hardly an angel

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He's unintentionally funny on the radio and likes a drink. Is that why he is considered a driving god?

It's part of what makes him more interesting than most other top-level racing drivers. When most F1 drivers are interviewed they talk about how good their sponsors are and the nice people who work in the factory, Kimi talks about bowel movements.

Simon posts <3 <3

Simon pls

Couldn't agree more...

Simon pls

Thanks for the Senna part, finally someone said it!

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Anti-Kimi fanboy rant

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Maybe in 2005 he deserved it, but he had only TWO mechanical breakdowns in the whole season. He had some grid penalties too,

I had to stop laughing at this point.

(he got grid penalties because his car kept breaking)

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Should Grosjean have gone on the racing line and been wiped out by Perez sooner?

Well if you watch from the TV camera positioned looking over the rear of Grosjean, you see that he saw Perez coming and just dove up the inside. So I agree with bbman on this one.

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Well if you watch from the TV camera positioned looking over the rear of Grosjean, you see that he saw Perez coming and just dove up the inside. So I agree with bbman on this one.

That's still an unsafe re-join, and still a penalty for Perez.

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That's still an unsafe re-join, and still a penalty for Perez.

Nobody is disputing that.

"This message has been deleted by Victor. Reason: Conversations are held with words, not pictures. We're not in kindergarten here."

well victor why wasn't Jackdamasters post removed? YOU FAIL WITH YOUR OWN LOGIC LOLOLOLOL

Gary Anderson Column: Vettel g ... ed Bull pause for thought

Interesting read.

It's just ridiculous to say that a driver didn't earn a championship they won or to say that they should've won some other time. F1 is a team sport and the best team (you need to have a good team behind you) usually wins. There are exceptions of course when a driver actually won the championship with a worse car than his rivals but so what? The drivers who won the championship in certain year deserved and earned the victory 100%.

And to add it's hilarious to see how you judge a car simply by who was driving it. Alonso's Renault was a piece of shit but Vettel's Red Bull is way better than the others. Next I think some of you will tell us that 2009 Räikkönen drove with the best car in the grid simply because the person hates Räikkönen and refuses to believe he's fast. YOU DON'T KNOW, there is no possible way for you to know which car was the best except for some very rare seasons because a car designed for one track can be horrible in another and the factors influencing how the race weekend goes has too many variables for you. Also the power differences change during the season so there's no absolutely best car.

Well, you can tell by watching someone drive generally whether they are getting the absolute maximum out of it or not. If someone misses 3/4 apex's in a lap, or has a huge moment and loses .3 in that 1 sector then you can tell that they aren't getting the most out of it. And if you see someone clearly on the limit, hitting the apexes nicely and yet they lose .3 in 1 sector you can see they most likely haven't got the downforce to compete. So it's hardly pointless, its actually quite fun and its surely what all the top teams have to do to get the best drivers in their car. But the main problem Kimi has in terms of "reputation" is that he struggled against Massa in qualifying(more than in races, a similar trend to Grosjean), who Alonso is now destroying in qualifying. That could be car specific so I'll admit that isn't definitive, but he hasn't really had the upper hand in qualifying against Grosjean either especially before the updates. You don't get points in qualifying, but you're making your life a lot harder starting outside the top 10 because you don't get your lap right when it matters, so I'm not saying Grosjean is better - but I don't think hes such a god in races that he can throw away 5-6 seconds at the start of a grand prix in traffic and still have a claim to be the best 1.

For a team like Lotus, he's great. If you count F1 in divisions, with Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton in the top division, Kimi has a definite claim to be best of the rest in the division below them and thats probably the best they could hope for. What Kimi did in Abu Dhabi, is what you would expect of Alonso. But yet a lot of people are like "See, Kimi is awesome." when actually, you're judged a lot more for when you make a mistake and throw away points than when you do a really good performance and get a couple more points. The thing which was amazing about Alonso's season was that he was getting those couple of extra points fairly consistently, without having any races where he was just nowhere or got it wrong(which admittedly he did at Suzuka, but when you're midpack at the start every race then I guess its inevitable that happens once, both Vettel and Hamilton have made more mistakes racing wheel to wheel this season, and they've done less of it). Thats why I'd say Vettel was lucky, because he made 2 mistakes which both could have cost him significant time, and luck was involved so it didnt.

I wanted to make it not an essay but I wanted to try and make it as balanced as I could as an Alonso fan. I guess something will always come through though

In other news:



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Could be broken from the previous contact.

Possibly hmmmmm.

Or possibly broken nose is broken.

Hey Simon, time to take out all the stuff deep inside your butthole, it hurts you know it by now.

Everyone has their opinions. I respect your opinion thruthfully, and everyone elses about Kimi. Some points you said I can even agree with, and other parts 'comes in the other ear and goes out the other ear'.

Some of us might remember Kimi debuting in F1. He was flying. Compared to nowadays teams, Caterham would describe Kimi's sauber. And still he was flying. On his ****ing first ever F1 Grand Prix. Yes he did not finish the race (for a reason I cannot remember right now) but he showed us what he can do. Everyone doubted him due to lack of experience in league racing, but his talent spoke for himself; FIA let him race.

It was not long until he took his place in Mclaren and followed Häkkinen's footsteps. Some say 'Apprentice beat his master' some say Häkkinen is unbeatable finn, some say Keke is unbeatable finn. To me they are all the same level. They all have had their shining moments in the spotlights, they all have succeeded in their careers.

It was a lot due to Mclarens (sabotage even?) mechanical and whatever failures that ****ed up Kimis chances for getting the Championships, he had all the pace he needed and all the talent he needed to win the championship. So did Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel (during different years of course) and I am quite happy to say everyone who has won their championship, deserve it. Afterall, you don't win a championship even with 50% luck, it's HELL OF A LOT work put in to getting the car go fast. Even luck cannot beat a car that is 3 seconds per lap faster than the other.

Vettel's performance in Abu Dhabi showed both talent, right calls and a bit of luck here and there. It's the exact same in LFS, any sim, real life, Safety car will either a) **** up your race b) doesn't really affect your performance or c) give you unexpectedly well results. Take a guess which one took place in Vettel's performance. (See: I'm not hating; extremely good driving from Vettel on sunday!)

Let us also think about Schumacher. He did a comeback with no real success whatsoever. He is the best of the best if you look at his championship wins. The F1 legend. And yet again, he cannot even compete for top 5 anymore. On the other hand, Kimi has taken few seasons off, and yet it seems he is able to battle for podiums and even took a win. I believe that Lotus is gonna be one of the most consistant and powerful teams in the future, already next season we will see Kimi on the top of the podium more often than this year. I really believe so. This is due to Lotus getting more and more experience with their cars etc, and Kimi will just do what he can. Which he has done so far aswell, in my mind with a car that is not as competitive as Ferrari, Red Bull and Mclaren Mercedes has been.

If you read all of it, gg.
It's such a retarded essay, but hey, I threw my opinions out there to balance the hate=love discussion. MY opinions.

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Possibly hmmmmm.

Or possibly broken nose is broken.

Hmmmmm.

Better view http://www.youtube.com/watch?f ... mbedded&v=_JN0F5H29v0 . The mechanic holding the new one seems suspect, but maybe that's because we're looking for someone dodgy

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Well, you can tell by watching someone drive generally whether they are getting the absolute maximum out of it or not. If someone misses 3/4 apex's in a lap, or has a huge moment and loses .3 in that 1 sector then you can tell that they aren't getting the most out of it. And if you see someone clearly on the limit, hitting the apexes nicely and yet they lose .3 in 1 sector you can see they most likely haven't got the downforce to compete. So it's hardly pointless, its actually quite fun and its surely what all the top teams have to do to get the best drivers in their car. But the main problem Kimi has in terms of "reputation" is that he struggled against Massa in qualifying(more than in races, a similar trend to Grosjean), who Alonso is now destroying in qualifying. That could be car specific so I'll admit that isn't definitive, but he hasn't really had the upper hand in qualifying against Grosjean either especially before the updates. You don't get points in qualifying, but you're making your life a lot harder starting outside the top 10 because you don't get your lap right when it matters, so I'm not saying Grosjean is better - but I don't think hes such a god in races that he can throw away 5-6 seconds at the start of a grand prix in traffic and still have a claim to be the best 1.

For a team like Lotus, he's great. If you count F1 in divisions, with Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton in the top division, Kimi has a definite claim to be best of the rest in the division below them and thats probably the best they could hope for. What Kimi did in Abu Dhabi, is what you would expect of Alonso. But yet a lot of people are like "See, Kimi is awesome." when actually, you're judged a lot more for when you make a mistake and throw away points than when you do a really good performance and get a couple more points. The thing which was amazing about Alonso's season was that he was getting those couple of extra points fairly consistently, without having any races where he was just nowhere or got it wrong(which admittedly he did at Suzuka, but when you're midpack at the start every race then I guess its inevitable that happens once, both Vettel and Hamilton have made more mistakes racing wheel to wheel this season, and they've done less of it). Thats why I'd say Vettel was lucky, because he made 2 mistakes which both could have cost him significant time, and luck was involved so it didnt.

I wanted to make it not an essay but I wanted to try and make it as balanced as I could as an Alonso fan. I guess something will always come through though

That implies Massa is as good as was as Kimis team mate now, which i don't think is the case, also Hamilton Destroyed Alonso in Qualfiying in his Rookie year, what about that?

Qualifying isn't everything, drivers like Kimi show that time and time again.