Glad to see MacDowell ok. I'm probably the only person in the world who thinks u can not lay all the blame with Muller, MacDowell messed up his corner and Muller tries to pass him without losing his much higher speed, allready thinking about the next guy to pass.

This ment he had to pass MacDowell closely, but MacDowell started to defend in a very silly place given the fact Muller was travelling at much higher speed. Just look at MacDowell's line exiting that corner and compare it to the guy in front of him. U can not do that with the guy behind going much faster. A collision is bound to happen.. The previous weekend was definatelly wrong by Muller with the Menu accident, but this one i don't agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?f ... e&v=EjGf3YNp-wY#t=90s

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Glad to see MacDowell ok. I'm probably the only person in the world who thinks u can not lay all the blame with Muller, MacDowell messed up his corner and Muller tries to pass him without losing his much higher speed, allready thinking about the next guy to pass.

This ment he had to pass MacDowell closely, but MacDowell started to defend in a very silly place given the fact Muller was travelling at much higher speed. Just look at MacDowell's line exiting that corner and compare it to the guy in front of him. U can not do that with the guy behind going much faster. A collision is bound to happen.. The previous weekend was definatelly wrong by Muller with the Menu accident, but this one i don't agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?f ... e&v=EjGf3YNp-wY#t=90s

It of course was not on purpose from him, but as Thilo said, it was avoidable. He knew that this corner is taken at very high speed yet he put his nose on MacDowell's rear bumper seeing that MacDowell had to lift off the throttle. I mean, the real master would slow down a little bit, because it's obvious he couldn't make it straight away as his speed was too high compared to MacDowell's with relatively no space when coming out of the corner. But Muller is that kind of person who never lifts off the throttle, even if the driver in front of him would crash in 200 km/h and die by that impact and that's the main reason I don't like him... He may be a good driver, champion, whatever. But his character is SO wrong. The way he talks to media, the way he drives sometimes. He's such an arrogant prick.

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I'm pretty sure it is. It was a S2000, I guess probably an ex-WTCC car.

The accident happened at Mandarin, the fastest corner of the track, a very dangerous and unforgiving one. Apparently the driver misjudged the apex, clipped the armco on the inside, then bounced back in the concrete wall on the outside.

found a video of it now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... 7Q9U4&feature=related

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Glad to see MacDowell ok. I'm probably the only person in the world who thinks u can not lay all the blame with Muller, MacDowell messed up his corner and Muller tries to pass him without losing his much higher speed, allready thinking about the next guy to pass.

This ment he had to pass MacDowell closely, but MacDowell started to defend in a very silly place given the fact Muller was travelling at much higher speed. Just look at MacDowell's line exiting that corner and compare it to the guy in front of him. U can not do that with the guy behind going much faster. A collision is bound to happen.. The previous weekend was definatelly wrong by Muller with the Menu accident, but this one i don't agree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?f ... e&v=EjGf3YNp-wY#t=90s

I don't think it was a defense move by Alex. I think he had a massive understeer and tried to avoid the wall without loosing too much speed. That's why his speed dropped. When he regained the grip the car reacted to the steering and the car stepped some 50cm to the right. I agree, this stepping to the right of MacDowells car did not help. Still I blame Muller. A ten time Trophy Andros, one time BTCC and three time Touring Car World Champion should know that one looses more time travelling the whole straight between Mandarin and Lisboa side by side than waiting for the breaking zone. Especially knowing that it actually is Alex MacDowell who I really cannot remember to have seen fighting against the factory team in a whole season. When the blue boys came he stick to a line and let them pass so far, and with double points available for independants in Macau there is no reason to start up fighting now.

I'm really happy about Honda's return in such a style. It really gives a good hope for the next year.

Muller Vs MacDowell: http://www.fiawtcc.com/uploads ... 012_macau_decision_16.pdf

Oriola Vs Michelisz: http://www.fiawtcc.com/uploads ... 012_macau_decision_17.pdf

I think u mean Muller and not Menu?

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I think u mean Muller and not Menu?

yeah, sorry

Quote from TypeRacing :

I'm really happy about Honda's return in such a style. It really gives a good hope for the next year.

Yeah it seem to be on pace with relative ease, at least in Macau.

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Muller Vs MacDowell: http://www.fiawtcc.com/uploads ... 012_macau_decision_16.pdf

A racing incident. Oh gosh. I'd give him to pay the damage of destroyed Cruze.

Some silly season news:

Also Barcelona was thrown from the 2013 carlender and confirmed for the 2014 season. Consequently the season opener will be in Monza and the season will only feature 12 instead of 13 rounds.

All-Inkl.com Münnich Motorsports confirmed to Red Bull Media House's Speedweek magazine that they will enter WTCC with a 3 car program featuring GT1 world champions Markus Winkelhock and Marc Basseng, as well as René Münnich. However this is against a quote of Markus Winkelhock to not want to race in WTCC. For preperations Münnich Motorsports will compete in the 24h of Dubai in a Seat Leon Supercopa. Meanwhile Special Tuning (SRT) said they are planning for the 2013 WTCC season. There are also speculations that Yvan Muller stays within the company and will partner up with Sebastien Loeb for Citroen for their debut season in 2014.

Subaru will be announcing their plans to enter or to not-enter WTCC within the next 7 days. A car is already ready and, with a few modifications, would be running 2013 already, with a second car potentially joining during the season. The other option would be to run in WRC. WTCC boss Lotti however is postive about Subaru choosing his series.

EDIT: If I may dream about it:
This season we had at least 20 cars at every race if I remember correctly. Taking this numer as full time entry number. Then we have OAK racing possibly joining with the two (the car which raced and the car they tested) 2012 Honda Civic (+2), Honda bringing two 2013 Honda Civic (+1), Münnich Motorsport entering three Seat Leon (+3). If RML stays it is more likely to run a two car program (-1), Lukoil Racing Team will most likely leave the series its sponsor however is with the two new Lada (0), Engström Motorsport could join (+1), maybe NIKA Racing joins (they already raced at Monza this year with Rickard Rydell, +1), Subaru joins (+1). That would mean 8 more cars on the grid, of which 4 are safe bets. Maybe one or two teams reducing their programs, but 22-24 sounds realistic. So 30 car grids at European rounds (and Macau) might also be likely.

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I'm probably the only person in the world who thinks u can not lay all the blame with Muller

You're not. This is Mandarin, and when someone gets Mandarin wrong, stuff's gonna happen...

Quote from TypeRacing :

I'm really happy about Honda's return in such a style. It really gives a good hope for the next year.

With the kind of pace Monteiro showed this week-end, Tarquini is the huge title favorite for next year. His only challengers would be RML, if they manage to run the Chevys privately with some top-class drivers.

Hated the Chevy domination, haters? Get ready for the Honda domination:haha:

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EDIT 3: Shame that there is no broadcast of the Formula 3 race.

It was broadcasted, as usual... Just very few broadcasters in Europe. Mostly Viasat Motors in Sweden, two other channels in Spain, and I think that's pretty much it.

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can someone take Oriola's driver license away again?

Really Thilo? The list of the people who missed their braking point at Lisboa over the years would be longer than this thread. And they include much older, wiser, more experienced and talented drivers than Pepe Oriola.

I think that for a mere teenager, Pepe has been a class act over the last 2 years. Not sure if he was on anyone's paper as a serious Yokohama trophy contender at the beginning of this season.

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Really Thilo? The list of the people who missed their braking point at Lisboa over the years would be longer than this thread. And they include much older, wiser, more experienced and talented drivers than Pepe Oriola.

I think that for a mere teenager, Pepe has been a class act over the last 2 years. Not sure if he was on anyone's paper as a serious Yokohama trophy contender at the beginning of this season.

To be honest, I was a bit of loaded after seeing the Muller incident. It is more of a standard lisboa thing. Sometimes rage hits the wrong people

Quote from GreyBull [CHA] :

Hated the Chevy domination, haters? Get ready for the Honda domination:haha:

Don't forget Lada They were in Chevy regions... well... when they did not fall apart during the lap. Oreca seems to have done a good job with the engine. I wonder though what performance this Subaru would be able to produce.

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found a video of it now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... 7Q9U4&feature=related

Sorry if it sounds a bit cold, but I wonder what will happen to the car? Damage doesn't look so bad. Will it get trashed, or will the team repair it(and possibly sell it), I wonder?

Subaru in WTCC seems good!

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Sorry if it sounds a bit cold, but I wonder what will happen to the car? Damage doesn't look so bad. Will it get trashed, or will the team repair it(and possibly sell it), I wonder?

Hmm good question. I think it depends of the car structure's condition. If the chassis is bended, the repairs could be too expensive for a little team. On the other hand it's a team from Macau and if it has any support by the casino association money will not be the problem. But I could think of the team to continue to use the car or to sell it. it is not like

Btw: It could be, that at Salzburgring we could see a Mercedes C200. Vuik Motorsports is entering two of them in ADAC Procar. Vuik says his dream is to race in WTCC. He is actually a Mercedes dealer and dreams of developing a Mercedes A class to the current WTCC rules. Relatively unlikely, but if they find a package, why not

You've got some very nice sources... I would've never found out myself.

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Btw: It could be, that at Salzburgring we could see a Mercedes C200. Vuik Motorsports is entering two of them in ADAC Procar. Vuik says his dream is to race in WTCC. He is actually a Mercedes dealer and dreams of developing a Mercedes A class to the current WTCC rules. Relatively unlikely, but if they find a package, why not

Is it the same S2000 C200 that made casual appearances in the STCC over the last few years, with fairly mixed results?

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Is it the same S2000 C200 that made casual appearances in the STCC over the last few years, with fairly mixed results?

Not sure if it will be the STCC one they just bought or the independently buildt other C200 which raced in ADAC Procar. They actually bought both of them for 2013 Btw, one can apply to drive one, as no driver has been nominated yet.

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Not sure if it will be the STCC one they just bought or the independently buildt other C200 which raced in ADAC Procar. They actually bought both of them for 2013 Btw, one can apply to drive one, as no driver has been nominated yet.

Always cool to see some (slightly) exotic machinery...

Speaking of which, I really wish someone was still running Polestar's Volvos. Whatever happened to those cars.

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Speaking of which, I really wish someone was still running Polestar's Volvos. Whatever happened to those cars.

too bad the Chinese seem to have decided to not sell the car to some private project. Or atleast the engine, as someone could have build it into the other two C30s, if they were sold.

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too bad the Chinese seem to have decided to not sell the car to some private project. Or atleast the engine, as someone could have build it into the other two C30s, if they were sold.

It's a shame, that car definitely had potential.

I am not very much concerned in this, but I'd like to see some independents with kinda different cars, not only BMW, Seat and Cruze. It's most likely to do with support or money overall, but there are a lot more cars available to play with. Volvo, Civic, new Civic, Accord, Audi, Ford, Integra, Lexus, Mercedes, VW, Toyota, Peugeot etc etc...

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I am not very much concerned in this, but I'd like to see some independents with kinda different cars, not only BMW, Seat and Cruze. It's most likely to do with support or money overall, but there are a lot more cars available to play with. Volvo, Civic, new Civic, Accord, Audi, Ford, Integra, Lexus, Mercedes, VW, Toyota, Peugeot etc etc...

It's mostly a money thing. S2000s are hard and expensive to build. It's easier and probably less expensive to just buy a car build by an existing WTCC works team - mainly Seat, BMW or Chevy.

There have been more S2000 models build for national championships, though. Like in the BTCC, 888's Vauxhall Vectras, Team Dynamic's Honda Civics, AmD's VW Golf, or even a short lived BMW 120d. Also, in the STCC, there have been VW Sciroccos, Audi A4s, and more. None of those have ever competed in the WTCC sadly.

For the record, BTCC's current NGTC regulations, introduced in 2011, make it much easier for privateers to build their own cars, we have something like 10 different models right now. But unfortunately, since they have their very own specific ruleset, it's unlikely we will ever see those cars in a major championship outside the UK.

:o I'm shocked to read this, in a positive way. RML might race with Renault cars from 2014 on. Lotti shows to be not surprised. "They've been talking for 4-5 months". Ok what has happened 5 months ago? Yes Chevy said they were going to leave...

(it is like the news are exploading every day something new!!!)

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:o I'm shocked to read this, in a positive way. RML might race with Renault cars from 2014 on. Lotti shows to be not surprised. "They've been talking for 4-5 months". Ok what has happened 5 months ago? Yes Chevy said they were going to leave...

(it is like the news are exploading every day something new!!!)

If we had to list the manufacturers who were tempted/rumoured the WTCC since the championship's creation, but never showed up...

I have to say though, Renault joining the series would be cool... Renault vs PSA... Hmm, a good old fashioned rivalry here!

There were already some strong Nissan/RML rumours for a while now, so it's only half surprising.