I'm asking if you have any source to suggest a legal precedent to support the assertion I quoted above.
I'm asking if you have any source to suggest a legal precedent to support the assertion I quoted above.
The FBI is accusing dotcom of being more than a negligent website owner, but that he encouraged and profited from illegal uploads
So you don't have a source then?
Not any from new zealand, but there are many cases of people being prosecuted in the US for having cp on their computers and the FBI becomes involved in cases where they are part of a network designed to share those pictures around the world.
it does. In a lot of countries, even if you as an website owner report a user as soon as he uploads cp stuff, you can be prosecuted aswell for hosting it, even if you immediatly deleted it. Jurisdiction is quite brutal in regards to that stuff. Hell you can be prosecuted for having photos of your own kids in swimsuits, as long someone deems it erotic
You better tell your government to take down youtube then http://www.youtube.com/results ... amp;utm_source=opensearch
This is where it gets interesting, the US is currently claiming that all info that is held under a .net, .org, .com address belongs to the US, and by extension, any info that passes through a .net, .org, .com address also belongs to the US. This also includes all emails for telecom, who are our biggest ISP and have contracted Yahoo to handle email for them.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inq ... net-websites-jurisdiction
Currently this is yet to be discussed by a NZ court but this is the case the US is making in trying to get extradition in US courts, if this work's in the US, which it probably will, they then need to convince a NZ court. Fortunately that's fairly unlikely, given the NZ courts opinion of the US case up to date.
And claiming Kim posted CP ?, even we've not made that as a part of the case, and our Security Farces are desperate to not look like the pack of tossers they're currently appearing like, even the PM is ducking for cover regarding his involvement so if that was possible, they'd have made that point 6 months ago......
Let's just say that in NZ any cloud based services ( looking at you google, microsoft etc ) are pissing against the wind to get customers ATM.
And the latest update here......
UPDATE / Jan 16: MediaWorks has pulled a series of ads placed by Kim Dotcom to promote his new file sharing service Mega, launching January 20.
An insider at MediaWorks told NBR ONLINE the move was made in response to pressure from music and movie advertisers.
The ads were whipped off air shortly after they first aired on The Edge and seven other stations earlier today. Dotcom told NBR ONLINE the ads were placed exclusively with Mediaworks stations.
Spokeswoman Rachel Lorimar told NBR the spots were taken off air for "commercial reasons" and that "this is a unique situation."
She refused to comment further.
Kim Dotcom tweeted this afternoon "Apparently some music labels complained to MediaWorks about our radio ads. Booking of over 500 ad plays terminated. Wow!!!"
A rep for the Recording Industry Association of NZ (Rianz) was not immediately able to comment but was seeking more information on record companies' alleged involvement.
NZFACT, which lobbies on behalf of the major Hollywood studios, did not immediately return NBR's call.
In follow-up tweets, Dotcom said, "Not blaming MediaWorks. They are a great company with great people. It's the music labels that are abusing their power, again."
He also offered to sell the ads to other radio stations if they would email him with terms.
http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/m ... ulls-kim-dotcom-radio-ads
http://www.theinquirer.net/inq ... net-websites-jurisdiction
Currently this is yet to be discussed by a NZ court but this is the case the US is making in trying to get extradition in US courts, if this work's in the US, which it probably will, they then need to convince a NZ court. Fortunately that's fairly unlikely, given the NZ courts opinion of the US case up to date.
And claiming Kim posted CP ?, even we've not made that as a part of the case, and our Security Farces are desperate to not look like the pack of tossers they're currently appearing like, even the PM is ducking for cover regarding his involvement so if that was possible, they'd have made that point 6 months ago......
Let's just say that in NZ any cloud based services ( looking at you google, microsoft etc ) are pissing against the wind to get customers ATM.
And the latest update here......
UPDATE / Jan 16: MediaWorks has pulled a series of ads placed by Kim Dotcom to promote his new file sharing service Mega, launching January 20.
An insider at MediaWorks told NBR ONLINE the move was made in response to pressure from music and movie advertisers.
The ads were whipped off air shortly after they first aired on The Edge and seven other stations earlier today. Dotcom told NBR ONLINE the ads were placed exclusively with Mediaworks stations.
Spokeswoman Rachel Lorimar told NBR the spots were taken off air for "commercial reasons" and that "this is a unique situation."
She refused to comment further.
Kim Dotcom tweeted this afternoon "Apparently some music labels complained to MediaWorks about our radio ads. Booking of over 500 ad plays terminated. Wow!!!"
A rep for the Recording Industry Association of NZ (Rianz) was not immediately able to comment but was seeking more information on record companies' alleged involvement.
NZFACT, which lobbies on behalf of the major Hollywood studios, did not immediately return NBR's call.
In follow-up tweets, Dotcom said, "Not blaming MediaWorks. They are a great company with great people. It's the music labels that are abusing their power, again."
He also offered to sell the ads to other radio stations if they would email him with terms.
http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/m ... ulls-kim-dotcom-radio-ads
I don't see anything about .org in this article so where does your info about .org come from ?
I don't see why its so evil to protect your copyright. Why should people who were not involved with the creation of certain intellectual property profit from disseminating it as if it were their own?...well they can't actually it's illegal everywhere.
The US respects the copyrights of other nations as long as they agree to respect ours. If there ever was something of value invented in New Zealand someday it would be a shame if it were ripped off.
The US respects the copyrights of other nations as long as they agree to respect ours. If there ever was something of value invented in New Zealand someday it would be a shame if it were ripped off.
Mike, what planet are you actually on ? It certainly isn't this one......
A more recent report, known as Interception Capabilities 2000, describes ECHELON capabilities in even more elaborate detail. (13) The release of the report sparked accusations from the French government that the United States was using ECHELON to give American companies an advantage over rival firms. (14) In response, R. James Woolsey, the former head of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), charged that the French government was using bribes to get lucrative deals around the world, and that US surveillance networks were used simply to level the playing field. (15) However, experts have pointed out that Woolsey missed several key points. For example, Woolsey neglected to mention alleged instances of economic espionage (cited in Intelligence Capabilities 2000) that did not involve bribery. Furthermore, many observers expressed alarm with Woolsey's apparent assertion that isolated incidents of bribery could justify the wholesale interception of the world's communications. (16)
http://www.nsawatch.org/echelonfaq.html
Yes, the US certainly respects copyright ...........
While not directly stated in the previous article the following explains the key points about any US domain. That's any . domain as they are all Amurican and come under US law.
Now the MPAA boasted: "This criminal case, more than two years in development, shows that law enforcement can take strong action to protect American intellectual property stolen through sites housed in the United States."
Interesting, but how could did this actually work. MegaUpload had only a hundred servers running in the US, the rest was dispersed over the world with the Netherlands having more than 500 servers. How exactly did the US claim the rights to close websites and arrest people outside of its jurisdiction?
The answer is that a number of domain names belong to the US. Not only the country domain .US, but also the .com, .net, .gov, .mil, .edu, .and org are ALL US domains.
Since the US invented the internet through ARPNET those extensions do not need the .us at the end. This was specifically designed to follow the stamp model. According to Wikipedia ihe UK came up with the idea of standard postage and it's the only country not needed to identify itself. The same reasoning is followed by the US and the initial domains created by the military ARPNET are considered to fall under US jurisdiction.
https://plus.google.com/112352 ... 4603958/posts/JbiPngv5Yag
Generally businesses don't run .org however that doesn't stop the US having control over them.
Here's another example of a business outside the US, not breaking any copyright law but breaking a Maryland law......
Yesterday Forbes broke the news that Canadian Calvin ... been indicted in the U.S., and in a blog post Calvin Ayre confirmed that the ... ized by homeland security. As reported in Forbes (hat tip to The Domains for the cite),
http://blog2.easydns.org/2012/ ... behalf-of-us-authorities/
If you have a .com, .net or .org domain you are subject to US domestic laws and jurisdiction. This allows the US government to seize your website or even seek your extradition to USA to stand trial, based on allegations of breaking their laws. You’re also at risk from any mistakes and collateral damage according to an article on New Zealand website The National Business Review. There have been many stories of seizure by the US where foreign websites which violate US legislations were taken down.
http://www.techzim.co.zw/2012/ ... s-of-having-a-com-domain/
A more recent report, known as Interception Capabilities 2000, describes ECHELON capabilities in even more elaborate detail. (13) The release of the report sparked accusations from the French government that the United States was using ECHELON to give American companies an advantage over rival firms. (14) In response, R. James Woolsey, the former head of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), charged that the French government was using bribes to get lucrative deals around the world, and that US surveillance networks were used simply to level the playing field. (15) However, experts have pointed out that Woolsey missed several key points. For example, Woolsey neglected to mention alleged instances of economic espionage (cited in Intelligence Capabilities 2000) that did not involve bribery. Furthermore, many observers expressed alarm with Woolsey's apparent assertion that isolated incidents of bribery could justify the wholesale interception of the world's communications. (16)
http://www.nsawatch.org/echelonfaq.html
Yes, the US certainly respects copyright ...........
While not directly stated in the previous article the following explains the key points about any US domain. That's any . domain as they are all Amurican and come under US law.
Now the MPAA boasted: "This criminal case, more than two years in development, shows that law enforcement can take strong action to protect American intellectual property stolen through sites housed in the United States."
Interesting, but how could did this actually work. MegaUpload had only a hundred servers running in the US, the rest was dispersed over the world with the Netherlands having more than 500 servers. How exactly did the US claim the rights to close websites and arrest people outside of its jurisdiction?
The answer is that a number of domain names belong to the US. Not only the country domain .US, but also the .com, .net, .gov, .mil, .edu, .and org are ALL US domains.
Since the US invented the internet through ARPNET those extensions do not need the .us at the end. This was specifically designed to follow the stamp model. According to Wikipedia ihe UK came up with the idea of standard postage and it's the only country not needed to identify itself. The same reasoning is followed by the US and the initial domains created by the military ARPNET are considered to fall under US jurisdiction.
https://plus.google.com/112352 ... 4603958/posts/JbiPngv5Yag
Generally businesses don't run .org however that doesn't stop the US having control over them.
Here's another example of a business outside the US, not breaking any copyright law but breaking a Maryland law......
Yesterday Forbes broke the news that Canadian Calvin ... been indicted in the U.S., and in a blog post Calvin Ayre confirmed that the ... ized by homeland security. As reported in Forbes (hat tip to The Domains for the cite),
According to the six-page indictment filed by Rosenstein, Ayre worked with Philip, Ferguson and Maloney to supervise an illegal gambling business from June 2005 to January 2012 in violation of Maryland law. The indictment focuses on the movement of funds from accounts outside the U.S., in Switzerland, England, Malta, and Canada, and the hiring of media resellers and advertisers to promote Internet gambling.That is a truly scary quote but we'll emphasize that: "The indictment focuses on the movement of funds outside the U.S." and that you can't just "flout US law" by not being in the US. What also needs to be understood is that the domain bodog.com was registered to via a non-US Registrar, namely Vancouver's domainclip.
“Sports betting is illegal in Maryland, and federal law prohibits bookmakers from flouting that law simply because they are located outside the country,” Rosenstein said in a statement. “Many of the harms that underlie gambling prohibitions are exacerbated when the enterprises operate over the Internet without regulation.”
http://blog2.easydns.org/2012/ ... behalf-of-us-authorities/
If you have a .com, .net or .org domain you are subject to US domestic laws and jurisdiction. This allows the US government to seize your website or even seek your extradition to USA to stand trial, based on allegations of breaking their laws. You’re also at risk from any mistakes and collateral damage according to an article on New Zealand website The National Business Review. There have been many stories of seizure by the US where foreign websites which violate US legislations were taken down.
http://www.techzim.co.zw/2012/ ... s-of-having-a-com-domain/
So Ayre knew that the US government would target him for setting up an illegal gambling network and he went ahead and allowed dim-witted Americans to send him millions of dollars anyway. When you defend some ruthless and greedy billionaires and not others it doesn't make you seem very fair. Can Calvin Ayre stand trial for ruining the lives of people who are addicted to his product which is designed to exploit stupidity for his own illegal profit? Probably not.
Who in their right mind would send a foreign stranger money and then hope that the computer tells him he will get it back? Maybe I need to rethink my whole Nigerian prince scam!
Who in their right mind would send a foreign stranger money and then hope that the computer tells him he will get it back? Maybe I need to rethink my whole Nigerian prince scam!
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No. dude. You WANT to get caught and extradited to the U.S. They'd put you in Club Fed. No cats with crap taped to it there. No Sir. At Club Fed, you'll have a Pro designed nine-hole golf course, a gym with professional trainers (they got busted with steroids) and twenty four seven unlimited wi-fi.
After you get settled in and are trying to get a life sentence because of the spa treatments and cuisine, some Government agent will show up and offer you a deal. Then you'll be raking in the big bucks putting state of the art snoop software (stolen from India) in DoD servers to make sure employees aren't compromising the infrastructure by illegally downloading.
This part:
That is a truly scary quote but we'll emphasize that: "The indictment focuses on the movement of funds outside the U.S." and that you can't just "flout US law" by not being in the US. What also needs to be understood is that the domain bodog.com was registered to via a non-US Registrar, namely Vancouver's domainclip.
http://blog2.easydns.org/2012/02/29/...s-authorities/
If you have a .com, .net or .org domain you are subject to US domestic laws and jurisdiction.
Say I had this really big giant crane. One with a boom on it 2000 miles long. I put one of those wrecking balls on it and proceed to bash cars parking in a Wal-Mart in an adjacent country. Now my crane is an electric one. Yeah. an electric crane with a boom 2000 miles long and a wrecking ball. Well it needs to be plugged in. Trouble is the only outlet for it is in the same country I'm bashing up cars. Shouldn't that government be allowed to unplug the crane?
"If you have a .com, .net or .org domain you are subject to US domestic laws and jurisdiction. "
You're also entitled to the protections of that as well. So in theory, If you were In New Zealand marketing a product on a .com website and a competitor in Latvia sets up a mock site and copies your product, you could sue them in an American court.
Hi mate ( Racer Y )
Nope, if your wrecking ball isn't paying the right kickbacks to the right people then your just some dirty pirate who doesn't understand the way the game is played.....
And my post earlier made it clear the respect the US has for copyright, or 'honest' business practice ( ROFL )
Can I please now coment on the latest banker crap with Mali ?
Your 'rulers' are in a bit of a bind when it comes to actually producing the German gold that they now want back..........
As Germany had to buy into the banking game after WW part 2, now the Germans want their gold back, that seem's to be causing problems !
Chavez actually picked up on the scam first and got Venezuala's back before the rest bitched over the leftovers..........
Nope, if your wrecking ball isn't paying the right kickbacks to the right people then your just some dirty pirate who doesn't understand the way the game is played.....
And my post earlier made it clear the respect the US has for copyright, or 'honest' business practice ( ROFL )
Can I please now coment on the latest banker crap with Mali ?
Your 'rulers' are in a bit of a bind when it comes to actually producing the German gold that they now want back..........
As Germany had to buy into the banking game after WW part 2, now the Germans want their gold back, that seem's to be causing problems !
Chavez actually picked up on the scam first and got Venezuala's back before the rest bitched over the leftovers..........
Hotlinking is bad, mmmkay.
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Some people that visit this forum would even call it intellectual property theft... :juggle:
for anyone that missed it, it was a picture of Indiana Jones hearing that there's Nazi gold somewheres.
Incase anyone was curious. Megaupload was re-incarnated at mega.co.nz.
And according to the USSA all info on any .com, .net etc site is theirs and if you think that's a problem then f u says the US.
.co.nz is private and isn't controlled by the USSA, that's the difference.
Sorry but cloud info is not private, and removing it from USSA control is actually important for the rest of the world.
For those of u in the USSA, Carry on with ur war on drugs, (ROFL, any importers other than the CIA) your war on terror ( any one who has something you want ) and your viper squads and TSA, cus your all potential terrorists.........
Just leave the rest of us to get on with life and laugh at your 'freedom'
.co.nz is private and isn't controlled by the USSA, that's the difference.
Sorry but cloud info is not private, and removing it from USSA control is actually important for the rest of the world.
For those of u in the USSA, Carry on with ur war on drugs, (ROFL, any importers other than the CIA) your war on terror ( any one who has something you want ) and your viper squads and TSA, cus your all potential terrorists.........
Just leave the rest of us to get on with life and laugh at your 'freedom'
What about a site the has .com.au or something similar?
We gave Kim citizenship first, but your completely right, just avoid US domains and choose a country which actually has laws supporting privacy.
Do you mean MEGA?
me.ga was banned by gabon.
they dont support kims activities.
Megaupload down by FBI (Not related to Sopa/pipa)
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