Yes i'm complaining and i'll get flamed for it but I don't care, it'll give you all some fun.

I was just on a server and I did a few laps, I then got told I was slow and yes, i'll admit I was slow because I lack experience and i'm a 13 year old mouser but I just wanted to go to a server and race.
We restarted the race and drove. After that race they told me I was really slow and we had this big debate about why am I not allowed to race with you just because i'm slow.
Then they decided to ban me, I was so irritated at this point that I actually voted to ban myself

Do you think it's fair that I got banned from a server for being slower than other people because i'm not very experienced.

PS. Let the flaming commence.

Of course, its not fair to be banned for just being "slow". If you were wrecking and crashing, its another case, but not for being slow.

And if you already knew, before writing this thread, that its not a good idea, why did you do it? You could have used the "I got banned. What to do?" thread.

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PS. Let the flaming commence.

Dude, why bother posting if you know what people will think, you seem to know what happens when people post stuff about getting banned but you posted anyway.

Get over it and move on to another server, get faster and when the ban runs out kick thier assess.

If it was the team who owned the server who banned you, then I am inclined to say it's their server and they can do with it what they see fit. However, I do find this very rude.

On the other hand, if it was just some random players on the server and you weren't being disruptive, I see no reason why they should have banned you just for being slower than them.

Yeah it wasn't anybody from the team that banned me it was random people.

There's always the possibility that you're not telling the whole story...

Hi,
I would say its pretty sad what has happend to you.I wouldnt ban you If I would own a server just for being slow.

On the other hand they have the rights to do this because they own the servers so they can do anything what they want.The etique side of this is the other thing.

If they really wanted let you go away they should ask you in a nice way to leave the server(just for curioisty - did they ask you nicely to leave the server)?.I would left then without making some flame chat with them.

You can always find a server with many people racing nicely no matter if somebody is slow or fast.Its all about fun.

There's a difference to being slow and being slow. If ur like 10 sec off the pace, I see no problem, but I've seen guys who spin out all the time and recover in front of you, get in your way driving 50 km/h in a 150 km/h curve. Then it's a problem...

They did ask for me to leave but it wasn't nicely.

Quote from DEVIL 007 :

Its all about fun.

ehhemm... well, for some people it's about serious racing and winning...

not for me
Winning gets boring after a while :P

A good fight will teach you a lot more racing skills.

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Do you think it's fair that I got banned from a server for being slower than other people because i'm not very experienced.

mate im in the same predicament (i think its spelt right) as you. im still slow but i just choose servers with few people on them, then atleast that way its easier to keep out of the way untill you get to grips with thee circuit.

If you have a replay of the race and the post race discussions, then post it

the 107% rule applies here, if you aren't capable of racing at 107% of the AVERAGE lap time set by other folk, get off the server because you will (or probably will) ruin the race, inadvertantly I might add. I practice offline and only come online to race. If folk are way faster than me then it becomes obvious that you are going to spoil some of thier fun. Chances are you are taking bad lines through corners which force the following car(s) to do some serious negotiating to get by cleanly.

I have raced with folk who were 5-10sec slower on BL1 rev, approaching the near flat out (in the demo car) downhill right left sbends the back marker braked then steered into his normal line, fine, in his mirrors I was a dot so you can understand his surprise when he found my car embedded in his drivers side door, the closing speed was just too great and with him braking I thought he was letting me through. Turns out he thought that being bizzarly wide was a good approach and felt he needed to be in 1-2nd for that corner, where I'd be taking it in 4th.

A ban is harsh but I'd probably have asked you to leave if you were upsetting the other racers.

Note: I do not mean to imply that you WERE doing any of the above, just that if you did I can see thier point of view.

Like i've said i'm not very experienced so, I might not have known it, but I probarbly was doing things like that.

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There's always the possibility that you're not telling the whole story...

True ^

Being banned for slow pace is never any help. It just drives people away from the game, and away from the server.
Just keep practicing, and I'd recommend a kind of (yes it's cheesy) "racing buddy" someone who's of equal pace and skill as you, and race each other, pushing each other forward, but by all means don't just race with them.

My idea does work! It has for me

That's a good idea actually.

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If it was the team who owned the server who banned you, then I am inclined to say it's their server and they can do with it what they see fit. However, I do find this very rude.

On the other hand, if it was just some random players on the server and you weren't being disruptive, I see no reason why they should have banned you just for being slower than them.

If a team wants privacy, they can put a password on the server. A server with no password is an invitation for all to join. No excuse for the "owners" there.

Of course slow racers are allowed to race on a public server. That is if the server isn`t named pro only or something like that.

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the 107% rule applies here, if you aren't capable of racing at 107% of the AVERAGE lap time set by other folk, get off the server because you will (or probably will) ruin the race, inadvertantly I might add. I practice offline and only come online to race. If folk are way faster than me then it becomes obvious that you are going to spoil some of thier fun. Chances are you are taking bad lines through corners which force the following car(s) to do some serious negotiating to get by cleanly.

I have raced with folk who were 5-10sec slower on BL1 rev, approaching the near flat out (in the demo car) downhill right left sbends the back marker braked then steered into his normal line, fine, in his mirrors I was a dot so you can understand his surprise when he found my car embedded in his drivers side door, the closing speed was just too great and with him braking I thought he was letting me through. Turns out he thought that being bizzarly wide was a good approach and felt he needed to be in 1-2nd for that corner, where I'd be taking it in 4th.

A ban is harsh but I'd probably have asked you to leave if you were upsetting the other racers.

Note: I do not mean to imply that you WERE doing any of the above, just that if you did I can see thier point of view.

Where did you find that rule ?
I have never ever heard of this rule before. If people are so keen about weak drivers joining, they should password protect the server.

The ban, apparently, was not by admin but by racers. If it had been by admin, there would have been no vote. It would have just happened.

Replay, replay, replay. It's absolutely not worth discussing whether or not THIS action was appropriate or not, because we're just going on hear-say.

In general, I reckon that allowing vote bans on S2 servers that aren't administered can lead to inventive rules such as this, being made by groups/teams of people who don't own and run a server, but who effectively seize ownership of one by sheer voting numbers. I don't go for it myself, but it's up to the owners of servers whether they're happy to defer control of their ban list to unknown racers or not. As for racing on servers with voting enabled.. it's your licence, and your "ban count".

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Where did you find that rule ?
I have never ever heard of this rule before.

iirc, it's a F1 rule. You can't race if you qualify outside 107% of the pole position's quali time.

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iirc, it's a F1 rule. You can't race if you qualify outside 107% of the pole position's quali time.

I can`t see, what on earth, F1 rules have to do in Lfs simulation ?
If people want to drive undisturbed, pick a closed server to do it on.

To ban people for being slow is rediculous. But I know this is not the common behavior from the Lfs community. Most racers seems to have patience with newcommers, and is trying to help them get along.

As I`ve said before, if you pick an open server, you have to accept the people joining it - As long as they are not wreckers. Or put pro only in the server names. (Or other thing like that - Only skilled drivers etc)

Pffft, everyone is a noob or slow at some point. Hell, im still slow!

If they are such jerks they aren't worth bothering about, just visit another server.

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ehhemm... well, for some people it's about serious racing and winning...

but still its about having fun and enjoying it.

If it's a public server, everyone should be allowed to race.. Fast or slow. I couldn't care less if you are 4 seconds slower than me per lap if you just give me the space needed to overtake you.

I don't understand people who votes to ban a slow driver. They must really like themselfes too much for their own good. Yuck.

And please, don't tell me that you expect 100% clean racing and alien laptimes when you join a public server. Well, if you do, then I understand why you would ban a slow driver. I'd also tell you to jump off a cliff, because you would probably be dumb enough to do it