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Official FnF remembrance video.
http://youtu.be/o8UCI7r1Aqw

Read a news article that said he didn't die on impact, but died from severe burns.


He burned alive trapped in a carrera GT, what a way to go.

There are some fairly gruesome images on the net of very burnt people. I doubt he died on impact (they rarely do), but hopefully he was unconscious at the time - ear witnesses do report screaming and shouting, but witnesses are usually the worst at recalling things.

Never watched a F&F film though. They're banned in my house (by me).

Regardless, condolences to his family and friends, plus those of the driver.

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but witnesses are usually the worst at recalling things.

So true. People exaggerate their involvement aswell to make them selves sound more honourable.

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>>>> Another - ANOTHER movie about Katrina? I'll bet it'll show all those poor New Orleanders whining for handouts again like all the other ones.
I got an idea. Why don't they make a film about how the evacuees made the yearly violent crime stats of the cities that took them in, gave them money, employment opportunities and a place to stay skyrocket by more than 20% in the first month that they arrived?
I know this GREAT story of this girl who got fined $100 for beating the crap out of one of those "Poor Katrina Victims" that tried to hurt her pregnant friend in school. That Girl was my daughter protecting her friend.
(LOL after the case, in plain sight of the faggot judge, I gave her $100 for doing the right thing) Then there's the nice Church lady down the road that welcomed three of them into her home. They repaid her kindness by slashing her throat and stealing her car.

And, this should hit home for any other American that's been hit with disaster and depended on FEMA for help.
Show a documentary about how when these people were given hotel vouchers and $3000 FEMA cards, instead of getting a place to stay, a car or decent clothes to look for a job with, they blew it all on Big screens, bling and figured out a scam to transfer that into dope money.
yeah, you could make a decent Katrina Movie, if it included THAT.
LOL the intro of the movie could show the footage of "victims" shooting at rescue helicopters for not picking them up first.

If this story is true it just shows how amazing he was.
http://entertainment.time.com/ ... le-who-couldnt-afford-it/

Wouldnt doubt it. It's not like 9,000 bucks would put a dent in his pocket.

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Never watched a F&F film though. They're banned in my house (by me).

Come on Tristan. I think every car guy should at least try Fast and the Furious once before judging!

Nah. They go against everything I like about cars. The modding scene is solely for morons who don't actually know about cars (other than engine code names), and read magazines written by people that don't know about cars.

So no, I won't be watching it. I don't want to encourage stupidity.

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Nah. They go against everything I like about cars. The modding scene is solely for morons who don't actually know about cars (other than engine code names), and read magazines written by people that don't know about cars.

So no, I won't be watching it. I don't want to encourage stupidity.

I felt a bit like that, honestly though the car parts aren't what make them rubbish. If you like "film" you should avoid for a similar reason, along with a zillion other pieces of crap. They're a laugh though and don't take themselves too seriously, also often unintentionally funny, watch them for that reason.
If you watch the odd rubbish film, you might as well watch one of these, it won't change the world :-)

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Nah. They go against everything I like about cars. The modding scene is solely for morons who don't actually know about cars (other than engine code names), and read magazines written by people that don't know about cars.

So no, I won't be watching it. I don't want to encourage stupidity.

You know, I can't say anything to encourage you to have an open mind and watch these movies as I'm in agreement with you, but I'll admit these movies never gave off the impression that any of the characters were taking their roles seriously. Yeah, the FnF movies ain't the next Forest Gump or Full Metal Jacket.
Heck there are probably porno movies with more in depth plot lines. But at least most of the action in those movies are done by stunt people and not green screens and computer geeks.
Those are the movies I can't stand. Cover up the lack of a storyline or worthwhile acting with lots of pretty CGI.
And yeah the cars are a little over the top. Ever see Death Race 2000? With Sylvester Stallone and David Carradine?
If you make a car movie, I think you kinda have do something to set the cars apart from real life cars and more fitting with the fictional world these movies are in.

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The 2 Fast 2 Furious Evo 7s were the only LHD ones ever built.

Except the whole european market (excluding UK) had left hand drive.

I won't even check your other "facts".

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Except the whole european market (excluding UK) had left hand drive.

I won't even check your other "facts".

Not that they even make a point worth checking. "It has cars in it, they existed and had some things that are this."

FnF films are summed up by that famously awesome hardcore drag racing rule of thumb/put down:
"Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should".

Although probably fans defend that line, somehow. In reality nobody knew enough to question it, or utter arrogance just made them assume it made sense because they wrote it. The first film really is very naive/ignorant. They were more concerned about capturing the "image" of car culture and the characters than anything real. Later films aren't quite so bad (2f2f is utter drivel though- with the exception of Eva Mendes).

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That simple sentence there shows YOU know nothing about cars. The Volkswagen Jetta in the first fast and furious movie actuallt was a 2.slo aba with a nitrous oxide system and several other parts, several bolt on. But it was faster than the s2k.

There is more technical work and specs done to these movie cars than you wikl ever understand. I bet you didn't even know the chargers used in Fast Five have a specially modified trans/shift points to allow for drifting because the cars wanted to upshift mid drift. I bet you also didn't know the 1970 Chargers in the first move were the only Iines with Mopar motors, but only the hero car had a real blower. However the blowere was hollowed out and was just a fancy air intake. The Chargers used in Fast and Furious and Fast Five were originally planned to have 592 Hemis, but due to parts delays the cara were fitted with 350 Chevrolet Small Blocks so filming could commence. (The garage scene in Fast and Furious was a 592).

The "F Bomb" in Fast and Furious is a real camaro they built clones of. It is a track(circuit machine)

The Road Runner Vin is seen in at the end of Tokyo Drift is called the Hammer. It is a 592 Hemi powered car that develops so much power words cannot explain.

Paul Walker actually was a Skyline fan before any of the movies. I believe only 1 or 2 from 2 Fast 2 Furious was actually a GTR all the others were RWD models built to look like GTRs to save cost.

The 2 Fast 2 Furious Evo 7s were the only LHD ones ever built.

Tokyo Drift used real Veilside display cars and actually payed over 100k for the Hero RX7. They also flew the Holley NOS bike over to Japan for static display in Hans garage.

Watch the movies and then you'll understand. There is actually a lot of car knowledge and effort poured into them. Plus almost all the stunts are real. Not many other modern movies do that!

Thanks for summing up what I hate! Silly nitrous oxide and special transmissions. I don't know what an s2k is. If they wanted to choose shift points, they should have bought a manual car. And then left it alone and learnt how to drive it.

You are the type of person I never talk to about cars because I can't cope with pretending you know what you're talking about.

Go on guys, go on.

Vin just posted this up. They were only kids!

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Go on guys, go on.

How do they make these gifs where you can't tell where it ends

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Nah. They go against everything I like about cars. The modding scene is solely for morons who don't actually know about cars (other than engine code names), and read magazines written by people that don't know about cars.

So no, I won't be watching it. I don't want to encourage stupidity.

God, you are everything I dislike about some car guys. Stop being so god damn superior and just accept that car people like different things. Why not just be happy that some people like cars for modding, other's like them for racing, some just like them for the aesthetics? We're all car guys and that's awesome!

The last page is a bunch of assumptions and sterotypes just saying your all pretty much talking shit.

I liked watching fnf for the first few quite simply because i like cars i don't really have much attachment to the story line but i know which parts i like.

Care to add some assumptions to this to this for me?

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You kid are an idiot. You cannot get a police package charger in a manual transmission. This is Dodge chassis coding. I bet you couldn't even get off the line before I do an entire lap. It's attitudes like yours that make people hate car enthusiasts. Grow up and talk to the world once you understand what nitrous oxide sprays even do or what the different types of nitrous sprays even are. Nitrous oxide has been used in drag racing for a couple decades. Same thing with nitro methane. Which you probably don't even know what that is either.

Go drive your Prius somewhere else. I have been born raised and worked on cars since day 1. My first toy was an 8mm wrench and I build cars/motors quiite frequently. Oh yeah and I race at the local road courses. Don't ever insult someone's intelligence. Especially someone you don't know. I bet you don't even know the difference between a 2 or 4 bbl.

Edit: what's the difference between an internal and external motor balance? You probably don't even know what that means. Yet the motor I'm looking at right now just had both done for my track car.

I don't know what a "police package charger" is.
My starts weren't brilliant in 2013, but I worked on them, and found a few meters to 100mph that I was lacking - hopefully that form will continue into 2014 if I can raise the funds.
I do understand how nitrous oxide works (mostly a charge cooling effect, allowing a more aggressive ignition, fuelling and compression set up, combined with some additional oxygen into the cylinders, although the latter is the smaller influence). I don't consider drag racing to be that technical, and nor does it translate well onto road cars. I've used nitromethane in RC cars in the past, and understand it's benefits of combustion without added oxygen.

My girlfriend has had a few Priuses (for the company car benefits in kind rather than any silly idea that it's saving the planet), and currently has a hybrid Auris. As a car they're not too bad actually, and quicker off the lights than a lot of cars. I get a lot of pleasure beating chavs in their modified hatchbacks in a heavy hybrid, but they don't seem to like it.

I also build cars/motors, and engineer and drive my own race car to a reasonable amateur level. My first toys weren't ratchets, but I suspect that holds little value to ones later abilities or understanding.

I regularly work on tuning (for racing) and rebuilds of carburettors, but in the UK we don't tend to use the terms 2 or 4 bbl. Especially as the letters don't seem to actually mean anything - 4 barrel carburettor doesn't have two 'b's and an 'l' in that order.

Internal motor balance is simply the primary and secondary balance of the engine internals (reciprocating and rotating masses), whilst external is things like propshafts, driveshafts, wheels etc. I don't get too involved in the theory of fast fourier transforms, but the balancing work I did last week on a 1960s propshaft and flywheel went pretty well thank you very much.

So now we've got that pissing contest out of the way, I will happily maintain that the modifying scene is generally made up of idiots - why else would someone fit a silly exhaust, or lower a car for a few hundred pounds, knowing that it'll only make the car slower and worse to drive.

People who like to actually look at cars like to modify the looks over performance.

Also, I think this guy will appreciate the exhaust swap, as will most people that appreciate a good exhaust note:


So you see, Tristan, there's this whole other world out there, that doesn't revolve around your person. Maybe you should check it out sometime?

I appreciate that people modify for looks over performance - but in my eyes they only ever make them look or sound worse. This 'whole other world' existing doesn't mean I have to like it. In the same way that no one will stop doing it because I don't like it. That's fine. My opinion is that it's utterly daft. I have no interest in "checking it out"; I've come across too many of that type to be interested, thank you.

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I appreciate that people modify for looks over performance - but in my eyes they only ever make them look or sound worse. This 'whole other world' existing doesn't mean I have to like it. In the same way that no one will stop doing it because I don't like it. That's fine. My opinion is that it's utterly daft. I have no interest in "checking it out"; I've come across too many of that type to be interested, thank you.

just outta curiosity, you do realize that a big chunk of what you do like in cars evolved from some kid in a garage somewhere with a wrench, mix-matched parts and some bondo don't you?
You think every little element of a car design is from some over educated idiot in a tie with a hunk of clay and some pretty pictures of cars hanging in their cubicle?
For example, the headlight design on almost all cars out there evolved from "frenched" headlights in California in the 1950's. Chopping and channeling lead to major design changes in cars for a few decades.
Then there's paint. I could go on all day about how customizers influenced coatings.

I'm sure it did. But that doesn't mean some under educated moron, fitting massive wheels, drilling his airbox and fitting a 12" exhaust has much to do with progress. I don't think most design engineers are over-educated, but there is little doubt the majority of 'modders' are under-educated and under-skilled.
Frenching headlights isn't American, and doesn't originate in the 1950s.
Now, the paint thing is probably true - but it wouldn't have been (for the most part) the modders that did any of the thinking and development on paint, but skilled (though not necessarily educated) painters, perhaps funded by misguided youths. What that has to do with under-body neons or badly matching a turbo to a normally aspirated engine I don't know.