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GTR gearboxes
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#1 - ajp71
GTR gearboxes
Whilst we'd all love proper gearbox simulation I was thinking some simple steps that could be taken with the current simplistic system to make it more like a proper sequential 'box. Having just done a weeks work experience with a team racing an E36 M3 with an M5 V8 (540 bhp) with a 6 speed sequential 'box I have picked up a bit of knowledge on the subject.

- Force Auto throttle cut - IRL they have an ignition cut off which is operated when a sensor going into a computer (seperate from ECU) detects pressure on the stick coming back, so essentially the cut off is split second before the shift. The cars can run without the cut but then they have to be shifted with a lift of the throttle, otherwise the engine will let loose (and big time, none of this bullshit about loosing a bit of power).

- When Auto clutch is enabled allow clutchless shifts, the BMW has a racing clutch in the same place as the road car, simply used to get going after that it's clutchless shifts all the way. atm in LFS they are possible but it requires a lot of rev matching/pot luck which isn't like a real sequential 'box.
I'd also like to here some whine from the straight cut gears that these cars would definately have IRL
#3 - ajp71
Quote from Gentlefoot :I'd also like to here some whine from the straight cut gears that these cars would definately have IRL

They do have transmission whine from the straight cut gears but it's really a background sound behind the V8 when on the rollers, may be more audible from inside the car.
Quote from ajp71 :may be more audible from inside the car.

absolutely ... from the in car vids ive seen the transmission whine is far louder then anything else on most cars at speeds above the 100-150 ballpark
the diffs mounts appear to transfer that noise rather well to the whole body which in turn seems to be very susceptible to those frequencies
#5 - wark
Queue: Rolf van Os BMW 320i STW video :goodvibes

+1 though; I know Scawen has something up his sleeve.
#6 - Vain
How loud the gearbox is depends on the sound-dampening materials left in the car. In a regular streetcar the engine humms happily while the gearbox is mostly silent. Once you strip out all materials that weight anything (and thus remove everything that could dampen the sounds of the car) the gearbox becomes the loudest part of the car (and the engine sound also recieves some bite).
Remember, the current interior of the GTRs isn't what it'd be like in a real GTR car. The gearbox is hidden somewhere deep behind dampening materials.
Hopefully this is going to change, so the gearbox can scream away at full volume. I love the sound of the gearbox in stripped cars. Sounds like it's going to bite you if you don't put the right pedal down right now.

Vain
#7 - wark
Quote from Vain :the gearbox becomes the loudest part of the car

Even helical gears? Even so, I'm sure it varies wildly from car to car.
Quote from Vain :How loud the gearbox is depends on the sound-dampening materials left in the car. In a regular streetcar the engine humms happily while the gearbox is mostly silent. Once you strip out all materials that weight anything (and thus remove everything that could dampen the sounds of the car) the gearbox becomes the loudest part of the car (and the engine sound also recieves some bite).
Remember, the current interior of the GTRs isn't what it'd be like in a real GTR car. The gearbox is hidden somewhere deep behind dampening materials.
Hopefully this is going to change, so the gearbox can scream away at full volume. I love the sound of the gearbox in stripped cars. Sounds like it's going to bite you if you don't put the right pedal down right now.

Vain

And racing cars have straight-cut "gears" (http://www.geocities.com/guzzitech_pics/timinggears1.jpg) while daily cars have "angled" gears (http://www.se-r-list.org/image ... w.input.gear-smaller.jpg). Straight cut gears make a lot more noise

EDIT: A straight cut gearbox pic: http://www.gearboxanddifferentials.com.au/images/wrxdog.jpg
Helical cut gearbox: http://www.bmwra.org/otl/intel/2004/new_gs_gearbox.jpg

EDIT2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear
#9 - ajp71
@ Vain the gearbox is in exactly the same place as a production car, the only extra covering the road car gets is a bit of plastic. What makes a difference is the race cars have straight cut gears and no carpets or roof lining as well as being totally empty which makes them sound very tinny. I've not yet made it into a race seat yet, have to wait a year and make a small fortune first but I hope it doesn't sound as tinny as it does on some vids, anyway I dobut I'll worry about that when I start GT racing (here's hoping ).
#10 - Vain
Quote from ajp71 :I've not yet made it into a race seat yet

But I have.
A Porsche 944 is a very comfortable car in it's normal equipment. Nice humming sound from the engine. Just a slight whistle from the gearbox at 180km/h. The car is a trans-axle. Engine front, gearbox in the rear, so the sounds are very nicely distinctable.
Once you strip out all carpets and dampening materials from it the gearbox is a lot louder. And by a lot I mean a lot. It's so loud you have to shout to talk at 160km/h while barely touching the gas. (Not that I often had that oportunity, as mostly the passenger side was taken up by a fire extinguisher.)
We had similar results when we did the same to a Porsche 964.

Vain

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