I think there quite capable themselves !
It's the US reaction that's really funny.

Jen Psaki, a State Department spokeswoman, said she had no information about who posted the recording but criticized Moscow for promoting it. “Certainly, we think this is a new low in Russian tradecraft,” she said.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/02/07-7

Make a sentence from the following words; calling, kettle, black, pot........

It's also important to note, if you listen to the conversation, posted above, the US is talking about regime change. Who they'll work with, who's going to be in power, namely the neo fascists !
Be interesting to see what say the Ukraniane people actually have in this, probably very little.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/02/07/ukra-f07.html

Here. Pretend you're an American for about 15 minutes.

Apparently, I agree with Libertarians 73% (LOL like they get elected for much) Republicans 69% (nice number) Democrats 51% (didn't think it's be THAT high)
the Green party 37% (hadn't hugged a tree since the LSD days, but that's another story)
And the Socialists 13% (WTF???!!!!??? I'm from Texas. There's gotta be a mistake there somewhere. The only use I have for Socialists is for them to hold my targets!)

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Here. Pretend you're an American for about 15 minutes.

Welcome to NZ, Barry got our PM to play golf for a couple of hours, he's still wetting himself with exitement !

We are a really good little US puppet, why do I get to be so well informed about all this stuff ?
In the 60's and 70's, the Russian Embassy in NZ had twice the 'staff' that the Russian Aussi Embassy did. It's all a game and it pay's to pay attention to what's going on.

We've sold all Kiwi's private information to the US for cheaper internet, We sold Kim off for 40 pieces of silver.
We've given our countries main ISP's domain name to Yahoo for nothing, all to suck up to the US.
We've run Echelon for years, spying on our neighbours for the US (and others) just to show how we luv u.

Not all Kiwi's agree with this (odd that !), but a lot of people here do know what's going on, and we make this info public domain how ever we can.

DEF COM 1 !!!

A recently declassified CIA report confirmed that all known al-Qaeda-affiliated organizations—from Pakistan to Yemen, and from Somalia to Algeria—have been instructed to kick back and enjoy the show as the United States’ federal government, energy grid, and industrial sector are rendered impotent by internal dissent, decay, and mismanagement. According to statements made by top-level informants and corroborated by leading Western terrorism experts, if seen through to its conclusion, al-Qaeda’s current plot could wreak far more damage than the events of 9/11.

http://www.theonion.com/articl ... t-sit-back-and-enj,35788/

https://www.youtube.com/watch? ... p;feature=player_embedded

Paul Craig Roberts on US media about the above Onion article........
This is a 30 minute interview with a large amount of information. Therefore I don't expect anyone to watch it.
Because, who wants facts when you can have a 30 sec soundbite.

A lesson in History today, hands up everyone who has heard of the sinking of the Lusitania, History has said that it was the murder of innocent civilians on a passenger ship for no reason. It was used as a major propoganda tool in WW part 1 to get the US into the war.

Chief point to remember from the history you were taught is that it was a neutral ship sunk by the Germans for no reason.

Strange how with the passing of time, and the release of British govt papers suddenly the real facts emerge.

In a secret memo, Noel Marshall, from the Foreign Office's North American department, said: 'Successive British governments have always maintained that there was no munitions on board the Lusitania (and that the Germans were therefore in the wrong to claim to the contrary as an excuse for sinking the ship).

'The facts are that there is a large amount of ammunition in the wreck, some of which is highly dangerous.'

He added: 'I am left with the uneasy feeling that this subject may yet - literally - blow up on us.'

OOOps, so it was actually carrying a large amount of ammunition ?
Soooo, that in fact makes it a completely legitimate target !

A senior government lawyer, Jim Coombes, warned there could still be a political scandal if it was found that there had actually been explosives on board.

'It cannot be denied that the sinking of the Lusitania did much to sway American opinion in favour of entering the war,' he wrote.

'If it were now to come to light that there was after all some justification, however slight, for the torpedoing, HMG's relations with America could well suffer.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new ... diplomatic-crisis-US.html

Another reason to be very careful of actually believing govt media about anything and proof, once more, that govt's do lie repeatedly about the real truth.
And yet another conspiracy theory that, with the passing of time, is proved correct.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

A lesson in History today, hands up everyone who has heard of the sinking of the Lusitania, History has said that it was the murder of innocent civilians on a passenger ship for no reason. It was used as a major propoganda tool in WW part 1 to get the US into the war.

Chief point to remember from the history you were taught is that it was a neutral ship sunk by the Germans for no reason.

Strange how with the passing of time, and the release of British govt papers suddenly the real facts emerge.

In a secret memo, Noel Marshall, from the Foreign Office's North American department, said: 'Successive British governments have always maintained that there was no munitions on board the Lusitania (and that the Germans were therefore in the wrong to claim to the contrary as an excuse for sinking the ship).

'The facts are that there is a large amount of ammunition in the wreck, some of which is highly dangerous.'

He added: 'I am left with the uneasy feeling that this subject may yet - literally - blow up on us.'

OOOps, so it was actually carrying a large amount of ammunition ?
Soooo, that in fact makes it a completely legitimate target !

A senior government lawyer, Jim Coombes, warned there could still be a political scandal if it was found that there had actually been explosives on board.

'It cannot be denied that the sinking of the Lusitania did much to sway American opinion in favour of entering the war,' he wrote.

'If it were now to come to light that there was after all some justification, however slight, for the torpedoing, HMG's relations with America could well suffer.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new ... diplomatic-crisis-US.html

Another reason to be very careful of actually believing govt media about anything and proof, once more, that govt's do lie repeatedly about the real truth.
And yet another conspiracy theory that, with the passing of time, is proved correct.

So cousin... how heart broken are you going to be in 2015 when EVERYTHING about the JFK assassination becomes public knowledge?

I thought they'd wait releasing that till Bush snr was dead ?

In the UK it's usually 100 years, in this case it was 30. It's not exactly a secret that the Warren commission did lie, the members on it admitted so.
Did you know that Lee Harvey Oswald was admitted to the CIA memorial wall, seriously ?
Happened last year, it's thought for his work in Cuba but it's not being made very public.

Still easily confirmed if you look.

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This website is offering $100 to prove them wrong, there you go, easy money for you.......
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And, if your right and their wrong, post here please a rip me a new ........

FYI, proof required.

Note: I don't agree with the moral's, only argue about facts.

So, no one claims a win.

This should be in the funny jokes thread, but as it involves people being killed it's probably better here.

Tony ( Yes, I'll bend over ) Blair's latest piece in the Guardian is one of the funniest things I've read for ages, It makes you wonder just how stupid he is.
http://www.theguardian.com/pol ... /15/tony-blair-iraq-essay
To quote; However there is also no doubt that a major proximate cause of the takeover of Mosul by ISIS is the situation in Syria. To argue otherwise is wilful. The operation in Mosul was planned and organised from Raqqa across the Syria border. The fighters were trained and battle-hardened in the Syrian war. It is true that they originate in Iraq and have shifted focus to Iraq over the past months. But, Islamist extremism in all its different manifestations as a group, rebuilt refinanced and re-armed mainly as a result of its ability to grow and gain experience through the war in Syria.
http://www.tonyblairoffice.org ... t-an-essay-by-tony-blair/

And who is arming and supporting Al Queda in Syria ? I did believe it was the US, Britain, and others. Except, Tony seems to be blaming the the Syrian govt for training Al Queda ?????????

Here's both the ex British Ambasador to the US and Paul Roberts ripping into this opinion.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/deb ... bassador-US-Iraq-War.html
http://www.presstv.com/detail/ ... washingtons-iraq-victory/

Alice in Wonderland has nothing on this.

Here's some evidence to support my claim that the US etc trained and funded ISIS.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/off ... at-secret-base-in-jordan/

In February 2012, WND was first to report the U.S., Turkey and Jordan were running a training base for the Syrian rebels in the Jordanian town of Safawi in the country’s northern desert region.
That report has since been corroborated by numerous other media accounts.
Last March, the German weekly Der Spiegel reported Americans were training Syrian rebels in Jordan.
Britain’s Guardian newspaper also reported last March that U.S. trainers were aiding Syrian rebels in Jordan along with British and French instructors.

WND reported last week that, according to Jordanian and Syrian regime sources, Saudi Arabia has been arming the ISIS and that the Saudis are a driving force in supporting the al-Qaida-linked group.

However, according to the 'media' we now have a 'crisis' that requires the US to deploy troops to face this 'threat'.
http://www.theguardian.com/wor ... to-iraq-as-crisis-worsens
Barack Obama discussed the crisis with national security team on Monday night after earlier notifying Congress that up to 275 troops could be sent to Iraq to provide support and security for personnel and the US embassy in Baghdad.

The icing on the cake is this however, the leader of the ISIS forces, " For all his power and newfound notoriety, there are only two authenticated photos of a man now called the world’s “most powerful jihadi leader.” One shows a serious man with an olive complexion and round countenance. The other, released by the Iraqi government in January, depicts an unsmiling bearded figure in a black suit. The image is cracked and blurry, as though someone had taken a picture of a picture."

However, back in the real world, "But the narrative solidifies in 2005, when he was captured by American forces and spent the next four years a prisoner in the Bucca Camp in southern Iraq. It was from his time there that the first known picture of Baghdadi emerged. And it’s also there, reports Al-Monitor, that he possibly met and trained with key al-Qaeda fighters."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ ... t-powerful-jihadi-leader/

Clearly they didn't have a camera at their camp, nor do they identify their prisoners, or its just a pile of lies........

Wow, so much to talk about in this thread. I wish I could really speak my mind but I'm a US citizen and the NSA has chilled my first amendment rights so I need to self-censor.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Here's some evidence to support my claim that the US etc trained and funded ISIS.

This is no suprise. Syria was in a terrible civil war and lots of folks wanted the US to intervene. I mean, lots of folks outside the US. I remember looking at this a long time ago and saying to my wife, "don't worry, they won't send our boys because Syria belongs to Russia". So, since we can't send the Marines, what will the US Govt do? Send the CIA. That means training and arming insurgents. The funny thing about insurgents is that they have a cause they're willing to die for but it doesn't always really line up with the goals of the US. Oh yeah, and to finish the story, it turns out that ISIL was willing to fight our battle in Syria, big suprise.

Heck, this isn't even new. We armed the Taliban long before we showed up in Afganistan.

All of that just goes to show that the US three letter agencies have completely spun out of control. But hey, what do you want me to do about it? Would things be better if we had voted McCain into office instead of Obama? We don't ever get a real choice or a real voice in the runaway monster we call a government.

FWIW, I prefer ISIL over ISIS because it's the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant ... and that's what Al-Jazeera calls them and they speak Arabic.

Just for fun, here's a nice report of how the CIA had a Mexican cartel kill a DEA agent because he knew too much: http://narcosphere.narconews.c ... operation-gone-awry-say-l

This is for all of you who live in an Alice in Wonderland world with happy ponies, Care Bears etc......

A major with the Nazi SS admitted at the Nuremberg trials that – under orders from the chief of the Gestapo – he and some other Nazi operatives faked attacks on their own people and resources which they blamed on the Poles, to justify the invasion of Poland.

Israel admits that an Israeli terrorist cell operating in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including U.S. diplomatic facilities, then left behind “evidence” implicating the Arabs as the culprits
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Co ... ,2506,L-3065838,00.html#n

The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister
http://www.nytimes.com/library ... 041600iran-cia-index.html

The British Prime Minister admitted to his defense secretary that he and American president Dwight Eisenhower approved a plan in 1957 to carry out false flag attacks in Syria and blame it on the Syrian government as a way to effect regime change
http://www.washingtonsblog.com ... le-syrian-government.html

The former Italian Prime Minister, an Italian judge, and the former head of Italian counterintelligence admit that NATO, with the help of the Pentagon and CIA, carried out terror bombings in Italy and other European countries in the 1950s and blamed the communists, in order to rally people’s support for their governments in Europe in their fight against communism. As one participant in this formerly-secret program stated: “You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game.
http://web.archive.org/web/200 ... ction_gladio/synopsis.htm

As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in the 1960′s, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IygchZRJVXM

Senior Russian Senior military and intelligence officers admit that the KGB blew up Russian apartment buildings and falsely blamed it on Chechens, in order to justify an invasion of Chechnya
http://web.archive.org/web/200 ... s/Satter_edited_final.pdf

According to the Washington Post, Indonesian police admit that the Indonesian military killed American teachers in Papua in 2002 and blamed the murders on a Papuan separatist group in order to get that group listed as a terrorist organization.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-406202.html

The well-respected former Indonesian president also admits that the government probably had a role in the Bali bombings
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Nat ... /10/12/1128796591857.html

Former Department of Justice lawyer John Yoo suggested in 2005 that the US should go on the offensive against al-Qaeda, having “our intelligence agencies create a false terrorist organization. It could have its own websites, recruitment centers, training camps, and fundraising operations. It could launch fake terrorist operations and claim credit for real terrorist strikes, helping to sow confusion within al-Qaeda’s ranks, causing operatives to doubt others’ identities and to question the validity of communications.”
http://www.aei.org/article/for ... offensive-against-terror/

But, I'm the loony for suggesting these are the facts.................

For the last one, ISIS anyone ?
Trained and armed by the US, Britain, France, and probably NZ although our govt has gone into hiding about any questions about this. 'National Security' and 'Keeping the Family Safe.' Yeah Right...... These are standard answers for any SAS troops killed where they're not officially meant to be.
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-new ... syria-kept-secret-5995014

Why don't you go and offer your insights to kindergarten kids? They might care more than most people here... And you know, get them while they are young and are still open to "the truth"?

Dear lord you are full of shit and paranoid to top it off...

Why dont you get a god damn ****ing twitter or a blog so that way the other lunatics like you can read it and the rest of us don't have to absorb your stupidity.

Quote from Bmxtwins :

Why dont you get a god damn ****ing twitter or a blog so that way the other lunatics like you can read it and the rest of us don't have to absorb your stupidity.

because his posts are 140 paragraphs, not 140 letters

Quote from Bmxtwins :

Why dont you get a god damn ****ing twitter or a blog so that way the other lunatics like you can read it and the rest of us don't have to absorb your stupidity.

Or don't keep reading the thread?

I read most of it and my conclusion is invariably "So what?" Racer X makes his pithy "sunshine and lollipops" comments referencing every other member of the human race who he thinks live oblivious to the world going on around them, out of sight. I think the naive one is Racer X himself however.

I don't want a government that plays the game by the rules, only deals with nice people and doesn't have any secrets. There is no right and wrong - that is all a point of view.

Sometimes things go wrong and you end up backing freedom fighters who turn out to be terrrorists - boo hoo.

Sometimes you lie to your friends - the Lusitania is a great example, thanks for bringing that one up. Would I want my government to bring the US into the war? You bet. It's in my interest.

Power is all, the strongest survive, but power is a dangerous thing when attained as national interest can be subverted by personal interest. Hey ho, we all take advantage where we can - ever got too much change from a shop and not given it back?

Quote from Storm_Cloud :

ever got too much change from a shop and not given it back?

Might be off-topic, but this thread is spam anyway...

I think this is one thing that's wrong in todays society. Take the change example here... In todays society you're considered dumb if you don't keep the extra change?

Ever got back too much change and thought: "Hey, that's too much, if i keep it the cashier will have to pay it out of his own pockets, he probably makes less in a month than i do."? Believe it or not, happend to me recently, and i gave back the change. The grateful look on the cashiers face and the "Thank you! How kind!" pretty much confirmed my assumption he would have had to pay it out of his own pocket.

I wouldn't say dumb (I have both kept it and returned it on different occasions), but a lot of people if they have the opportunity will look after themselves above others. It's the same with the establishment, except they play for higher stakes. It's not really a conversation about the morality of keeping overchange, unless Racer X can prove the CIA did it in the 1960s and that caused the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Thanks for the replies, if you don't want to read it, don't bother. Easy really.

Here's some interesting NZ stuff on Kim DotCom. Given NZ citizenship cus he brought it. We have cool laws here.....
If you have money, your past is 'No problem', if you don't, good luck getting NZ citizenship !
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/n ... d=1&objectid=11294539

If the current Kim Dotcom conspiracy theory turns out to be a reality, then it illustrates some significant lessons about the nature of New Zealand politics and government. In particular, it says a lot about wealth and power, and New Zealand's role and relationship to other international powers. Even if the conspiracy theory is invalid it still reveals some interesting, and perhaps disturbing, details about how politics works, as it points to the fact that very wealthy 'high rollers' can be invited to live in New Zealand purely because of their 'spending power', despite 'bad character', FBI investigations, or criminal convictions.

And you wonder where my views come from ? We actually tend to be a bit more aware here than we're expected to be.

To quote George Carlin, "Hey kids! It's mostly bullshit and garbage, and none of the stuff they tell you is true. And when your dumb-ass father says he wants you to amount to something, he means make a lot of money. How do you think the word amount got in there?"

Please go away.

What is wrong with cash for residency?

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Thanks for the replies, if you don't want to read it, don't bother. Easy really.

Here's some interesting NZ stuff on Kim DotCom. Given NZ citizenship cus he brought it. We have cool laws here.....
If you have money, your past is 'No problem', if you don't, good luck getting NZ citizenship !
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/n ... d=1&objectid=11294539

If the current Kim Dotcom conspiracy theory turns out to be a reality, then it illustrates some significant lessons about the nature of New Zealand politics and government. In particular, it says a lot about wealth and power, and New Zealand's role and relationship to other international powers. Even if the conspiracy theory is invalid it still reveals some interesting, and perhaps disturbing, details about how politics works, as it points to the fact that very wealthy 'high rollers' can be invited to live in New Zealand purely because of their 'spending power', despite 'bad character', FBI investigations, or criminal convictions.

And you wonder where my views come from ? We actually tend to be a bit more aware here than we're expected to be.

To quote George Carlin, "Hey kids! It's mostly bullshit and garbage, and none of the stuff they tell you is true. And when your dumb-ass father says he wants you to amount to something, he means make a lot of money. How do you think the word amount got in there?"

I think the moral of this little story is that the fool should've stayed In Germany. So what if they arrest him and convict him? All he gets there is a suspended sentence.
Now since he ducked out in New Zealand and gets busted, he is looking at being
extradited to the US of A, where he'll wind up being this guy's B!tch:

https://www.facebook.com/JeremyMeeksDreamyMcMugShot

Think he'll learn then? LOL that scammer will find a whole new definition for Megaupload - huh? ROFL He's from Germany, think he'll join the AB? A lot of celebrity convicts usually pay the AB or the Mexican Mafia protection money.
You and your secret government crap. You should realize that when the Latin Kings X'ed out a Alqueda propaganda graffiti in Mosul, that pretty much showed how much power these all knowing government entities really DON'T have.

But as far as immigration goes, I'm sorry, I got a busload of kids complaining about bullies to deal with right now.

Here's a conspiracy for you.
The inmates at GITMO need to thank Mohammed that they're there. Remember that L/K stuff? Well, if those punks do get put into the civilian system, they won't make the bond hearing. They've been green lighted. Forget about Governments. You don't get to kill one of those guys and just walk away. And it doesn't matter if they convert to Evangelical Christianity become Uncle Sam's best buds or major become share holders in Franken food, Inc. They F+++ up. If they do real time, they'll get killed.

nevermind

Given the US's recent desire to bomb the c&@* out of ISIS, the following video showing John McCain and ISIS leaders in a press conference together may be humorous, particularly given who funded/armed ISIS when they were the good guys fighting Syria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAkmp4vvWGA

Clearly they (ISIS) forgot to read the manual given out by the CIA about doing only what the US wants.