LFS is awesome simulator but for now it is limited to solid track racing only + rally tracks. So what if you need other profile sim like, for example, dirt, offroad, wet or winter driving sim? Is there any at all made for these tasks?

Another reason for this is that we have season IRL(in real life) with snow and ice and many drivers are caught by surprise and they make mistakes on road and some make unforgiving mistakes so this might come handy for those who can't afford or don't have training field to practice safe driving without wasting money for fuel and without risk of crashing or get stuck.

Also it is fun! Since you can't do such stuff irl without penalty it is interesting to do such stuff on purpose!

Most games are games and teach dangeorusly wrong driving style.

However, Richard Burns Rally gave me reflexes and methods that have saved me and my car from harm on snowy roads.

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LFS is awesome simulator but for now it is limited to solid track racing only + rally tracks. So what if you need other profile sim like, for example, dirt, offroad, wet or winter driving sim? Is there any at all made for these tasks?

Another reason for this is that we have season IRL(in real life) with snow and ice and many drivers are caught by surprise and they make mistakes on road and some make unforgiving mistakes so this might come handy for those who can't afford or don't have training field to practice safe driving without wasting money for fuel and without risk of crashing or get stuck.

Also it is fun! Since you can't do such stuff irl without penalty it is interesting to do such stuff on purpose!

I'm sure you have some kind of open area full of snow and ice where you can just go with your car and try it yourself.

When I started to drive, I wanted "to train" in sim first, but it's really just for reflexes, most games are games as stated post above.

From what I witnessed - LFS brought me reflexes on dry or when you get slide or drift on wet/icy/snowy road and RBR brought me overall feeling of what the car should do when in concrete situation. But just reflexes, not like I can drift like Tsuchyia.

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Most games are games and teach dangeorusly wrong driving style.

However, Richard Burns Rally gave me reflexes and methods that have saved me and my car from harm on snowy roads.

But at least you can experiment and have fun in games! Games allow you to do everything multiple times with reset option without 0 penalty and risk of injury or death or sue times!

Interesting. Maybe i'll check that game out. Is it similar to Collin Mc Rally?

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I'm sure you have some kind of open area full of snow and ice where you can just go with your car and try it yourself.

When I started to drive, I wanted "to train" in sim first, but it's really just for reflexes, most games are games as stated post above.

From what I witnessed - LFS brought me reflexes on dry or when you get slide or drift on wet/icy/snowy road and RBR brought me overall feeling of what the car should do when in concrete situation. But just reflexes, not like I can drift like Tsuchyia.

Of course! However it needs plenty of cash to train since fuel is not cheap and not to mention it always is the only spot nearby so other people will be there and your training will be interupted and such.

I know the feeling. I simply like sims because you can actually crash vehicle and reset it. Of course the real deal is real deal and it will take time to make 100% accurate sim but it is not impossible.

Dunno about that. I don't have wheel and pedals for PC. Well i had but they were so cheap they met trash quick.

RBR could give you some good/cheap training. Especially pace-note training and offensive vs defensive driving etc. You do need a good wheel/pedals. RBR provides 200+ cars as well as 200+ stages, so there's plenty to choose from. Physics is quite good, but needs a bit of tweaking from time to time (depending on car/stage and your own preferences). It's THE rallysim, still.

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RBR could give you some good/cheap training. Especially pace-note training and offensive vs defensive driving etc. You do need a good wheel/pedals. RBR provides 200+ cars as well as 200+ stages, so there's plenty to choose from. Physics is quite good, but needs a bit of tweaking from time to time (depending on car/stage and your own preferences). It's THE rallysim, still.

Richard Burn Rally looks good despite the fact it will unlikely have continuum. What about Gran Turismo? I have heard they are pretty real too unlike Nascar games.

gran turismo is fun to play, but not that much near to reality.

What do you mean? "Richard Burn Rally looks good despite the fact it will unlikely have continuum."

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LFS with overheated tires = just like driving on snow/ice, I'm not kidding! I drive RWD cars (non of them had stability and traction control) since 2008 and never had any crash, thx to LFS It's not the slippery roads or powerful rwd cars to blame when people randomly crash in the wintertime, it's the wrong inputs they make - tankslappers, unwanted shiftlock when dowshifting without revmatch/heel&toe, etc. All this can be avoided. You just needs some practise, and this is where LFS comes in, because only few lucky ones can afford regular track time in RL.

Btw. I recommend AC, just lower the grip levels in the ini files, you can get the road as slippery as you like, from dusty tarmac (default preset) to almost undrivable black ice.

Unpaved surface is not only slippy though. The tire grip characteristics is very different. And RBR seems to be the only sim that actually pays attention to this.