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The shooting war starts - ISIS and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan
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I assume you forgot (s) at the end of your post.Anyway, back to ISIS activity....
Turkish ISIS forces invade Iraq.
US ISIS forces threaten to invade Iraq.
Iraq gets seriously annoyed.
However, Italy choose's not to join ISIS.
Good Guy Italy
And today, US ISIS forces attack the Syrian Army.*
* An air strike carried out by the US-led coalition in Syria is reported to have targeted regime forces for the first time, killing at least three soldiers and destroying a number of vehicles.
The Syrian government said four warplanes (there is a rumour that the planes were British,) bombed its Saega military camp in Deir al-Zor province, describing it as an "act of aggression" by coalition forces.
The Syrian foreign ministry said: "The Syrian Arab Republic strongly condemns this flagrant aggression by the US-led coalition forces, which blatantly violates the objectives of the UN Charter."
It urged the UN to take "immediate action and take the necessary measures to prevent a repeat" of the incident.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-led-coalition-air-strike-targets-syrian-soldiers-in-first-fatal-bombing-on-assad-regime-a6762956.html
Edit, according to the US, it wasn't them.
According, even to ISIS fighters on the ground there, it was, "Even Daesh, also known as ISIL/the Islamic State, posted comments on its Facebook page which seem to corroborate Syria’s claims. The terrorist group claims that coalition aircraft were seen flying toward territory controlled by the Syrian government, where loud explosions were heard.
If this story is right, then it's clear who's on what side......."Veterans Today has just learned that today’s air attack on the Syrian Army base near Der Ezzor, was ordered by British Prime Minister Cameron in retaliation for criticism of British efforts by Syrian President Assad in an interview published in the London Times yesterday."
The interview is in the link above. The key point made in the interview is this; "The US-led coalition’s airstrikes in Syria are in fact illegal, as it has never received permission from Syrian President Bashar Assad to enter the country’s airspace. In response to the UK’s decision to join the bombing campaign in Syria, Assad reiterated in an interview with the Sunday Times that the presence of Britain in Syria is unlawful as neither Damascus nor the United Nations have given London the green light to bomb Syrian territory."
A vital point in international law, not that 'Team America' care about international law.............
and what ISIS said can be trusted because of .... ? If one of them trips over they're shoe lace they would blame the west
Also you do know that if the UN has been given permission/informed to stage attacks then it covers all members of the united nations
Also you do know that if the UN has been given permission/informed to stage attacks then it covers all members of the united nations
I've just checked Facebook and Obama is not friends with Daesh.
That seems to be the level of proof now?
That seems to be the level of proof now?
The UN currently has no role in Syria, ISIS UK is pushing a proposal to give the UN control over the country. This idea clearly relies on ignoring any concept of independent national determination. Just like the British Empire.........
This is the just passed UN resolution, ISIS US had a sad and pretty much left the room on this one !
“(The Security Council) Calls upon Member States that have the capacity to do so to take all necessary measures, in compliance with international law, in particular with the United Nations Charter, as well as international human rights, refugee and humanitarian law, on the territory under the control of ISIL also known as Da’esh, in Syria and Iraq, to redouble and coordinate their efforts to prevent and suppress terrorist acts committed specifically by ISIL also known as Da’esh as well as ANF, and all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al-Qaida, and other terrorist groups”
Highlighted "in compliance with international law" which was probably the sticking point for the various ISIS nations. Mind you, ISIS Turkey, ISIS Israel, ISIS US, ISIS UK, and several others yet unnamed ISIS creators, all consider 'Al-Qaida, and other terrorist groups' to be the moderates that they arm and support. Some very entertaining video's of this support exist that I haven't yet posted..........
"Russia’s military action by contrast* is completely legal. It has the permission of both the UN Security Council and the Syrian government for it.
This is in contrast to the US, which avoids the Security Council whenever it can, and which usually prefers to act unilaterally without a UN Security Council mandate.
After the Paris attack the French backed Russia’s proposal for a UN Security Council Resolution. At that point the US could no longer block it. The US cannot veto a Resolution backed by its own ally France, especially in the immediate aftermath of a terrorist attack.
It took weeks for the Russians to get their Security Council Resolution. This was because the US did everything it could to stand in the way. However, after weeks of hard work, Russia’s diplomats have finally got the Resolution Russia wanted."
* See my above post
And here is some of our latest propaganda in Hobbitville telling kiwi's what we all need to think....
"New Zealand Jihadi brides are known to have taken part in "weddings" before heading to Islamic State (IS) stronghold Syria, Prime Minister John Key has revealed."
No information, no evidence, no facts, BUT, our Govt says we must be scared..........
Strangely, the story has now vanished within 24 hours of people asking for facts. The original info in the article was provided by our (non)intellegence agencies. (Both headed by women !)
This is the just passed UN resolution, ISIS US had a sad and pretty much left the room on this one !
“(The Security Council) Calls upon Member States that have the capacity to do so to take all necessary measures, in compliance with international law, in particular with the United Nations Charter, as well as international human rights, refugee and humanitarian law, on the territory under the control of ISIL also known as Da’esh, in Syria and Iraq, to redouble and coordinate their efforts to prevent and suppress terrorist acts committed specifically by ISIL also known as Da’esh as well as ANF, and all other individuals, groups, undertakings, and entities associated with Al-Qaida, and other terrorist groups”
Highlighted "in compliance with international law" which was probably the sticking point for the various ISIS nations. Mind you, ISIS Turkey, ISIS Israel, ISIS US, ISIS UK, and several others yet unnamed ISIS creators, all consider 'Al-Qaida, and other terrorist groups' to be the moderates that they arm and support. Some very entertaining video's of this support exist that I haven't yet posted..........
"Russia’s military action by contrast* is completely legal. It has the permission of both the UN Security Council and the Syrian government for it.
This is in contrast to the US, which avoids the Security Council whenever it can, and which usually prefers to act unilaterally without a UN Security Council mandate.
After the Paris attack the French backed Russia’s proposal for a UN Security Council Resolution. At that point the US could no longer block it. The US cannot veto a Resolution backed by its own ally France, especially in the immediate aftermath of a terrorist attack.
It took weeks for the Russians to get their Security Council Resolution. This was because the US did everything it could to stand in the way. However, after weeks of hard work, Russia’s diplomats have finally got the Resolution Russia wanted."
* See my above post
And here is some of our latest propaganda in Hobbitville telling kiwi's what we all need to think....
"New Zealand Jihadi brides are known to have taken part in "weddings" before heading to Islamic State (IS) stronghold Syria, Prime Minister John Key has revealed."
No information, no evidence, no facts, BUT, our Govt says we must be scared..........
Strangely, the story has now vanished within 24 hours of people asking for facts. The original info in the article was provided by our (non)intellegence agencies. (Both headed by women !)
Biased reporting on the web is an issue.
And more news you don't get to hear .....
"Britain, France, Russia# and the United States provided most of the weapons being used by ISIS to carry out appalling war crimes, a new report claims.
As the UK joins its allies in carrying out airstrikes in Syria, the Government has come in for renewed accusations of having sown the seeds of conflict itself.
A new study by Amnesty International claims much of the weaponry used by Islamic State (IS) fighters was supplied by the same Western powers now trying to bomb it out of existence."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/isis-show-tanks-devastating-hi-6981636
# Evidence, "A Chinese-made Kalashnikov and American M4 rifle, the latter captured from ISIS militants." Read the report, VERY vague on Russian equipment, but lots of US weaponry, including TOW missiles........
"Militant groups said that Qatar has delivered 20 American TOW missiles to the Al-Qaeda's official branch in Syria, the Al-Nusra Front to help the embattled terrorist group that has been sustaining heavy defeats in the war with the Syrian army and its allies across the country, specially in Northern provinces.
Meantime, other terrorist groups have also been reported to have received similar cargoes in a bid to intensify campaign against the Syrian government and stop the advances of the Syrian army and its allies before the next round of Syria talks."
"Also, informed sources said that the Turkish fighter jets attacked the PKK bases in the Iraqi Kurdistan region's mountainous outskirts of Qandil late Tuesday night.
The bombings were carried out as Turkey has deployed hundreds of personnel to a camp in Northern Iraq's Bashiqa region, located near the city of Mosul, currently controlled by the ISIL. Ankara has called it a routine rotation to train Iraqis to retake Mosul.
On Monday, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider Abadi gave Turkey 24 hours to withdraw its troops from Iraq to avoid the matter being reviewed by the UN Security Council. Turkey has refused to do so."
So, what side are most of your Governments supporting again ???????????
And here you go, try reading this !!!!!
"In mid October, a Saudi official announced that his country has supplied the militants in Syria with a new batch of TOW antitank missiles as the Syrian army forces backed by Russian warplanes continue to gain ground in the Arab country.
BBC correspondent Frank Gardner tweeted that a Saudi official confirmed the delivery of 500 TOW antitank missiles to the so-called Free Syrian Army (FSA).
The delivery of the TOW missiles — which have also been provided by the CIA — will allegedly increase the capabilities of the militants.
TOW missiles, as Popular Mechanics notes, are guided missiles that could thoroughly damage tanks, armored carriers, and other vehicles. And, unlike other projectiles used against armored targets, such as RPGs, TOW missiles can be used from a considerable distance.
Then one month later in mid November, the Al-Nusra Front Takfiri terrorists posted a video on the Internet to thank the so-called moderate terrorist group, the Free Syrian Army (FSA), for supplying them with the US-made anti-tank TOW missiles.
The video shows an Al-Nusra Front field commander thanking the FSA commanders for giving his forces TOW missiles.
For several months, the Al-Nusra Front and the FSA have colluded together at almost every single battle in Aleppo, Lattakia, Hama, and Idlib Governorates of Syria and they formed an alliance of the militant groups known as Jeish al-Fath (Army of Conquest)."
So the West is now arming Al Qaeda !!!!!!!!!, And you claim that the Russians are the ones you want to fight..........
Perhaps you could suggest your Governments try reading and following the UN Security Council ruling, Maybe, Perhaps.............., Or
"Britain, France, Russia# and the United States provided most of the weapons being used by ISIS to carry out appalling war crimes, a new report claims.
As the UK joins its allies in carrying out airstrikes in Syria, the Government has come in for renewed accusations of having sown the seeds of conflict itself.
A new study by Amnesty International claims much of the weaponry used by Islamic State (IS) fighters was supplied by the same Western powers now trying to bomb it out of existence."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/isis-show-tanks-devastating-hi-6981636
# Evidence, "A Chinese-made Kalashnikov and American M4 rifle, the latter captured from ISIS militants." Read the report, VERY vague on Russian equipment, but lots of US weaponry, including TOW missiles........
"Militant groups said that Qatar has delivered 20 American TOW missiles to the Al-Qaeda's official branch in Syria, the Al-Nusra Front to help the embattled terrorist group that has been sustaining heavy defeats in the war with the Syrian army and its allies across the country, specially in Northern provinces.
Meantime, other terrorist groups have also been reported to have received similar cargoes in a bid to intensify campaign against the Syrian government and stop the advances of the Syrian army and its allies before the next round of Syria talks."
"Also, informed sources said that the Turkish fighter jets attacked the PKK bases in the Iraqi Kurdistan region's mountainous outskirts of Qandil late Tuesday night.
The bombings were carried out as Turkey has deployed hundreds of personnel to a camp in Northern Iraq's Bashiqa region, located near the city of Mosul, currently controlled by the ISIL. Ankara has called it a routine rotation to train Iraqis to retake Mosul.
On Monday, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider Abadi gave Turkey 24 hours to withdraw its troops from Iraq to avoid the matter being reviewed by the UN Security Council. Turkey has refused to do so."
So, what side are most of your Governments supporting again ???????????
And here you go, try reading this !!!!!
"In mid October, a Saudi official announced that his country has supplied the militants in Syria with a new batch of TOW antitank missiles as the Syrian army forces backed by Russian warplanes continue to gain ground in the Arab country.
BBC correspondent Frank Gardner tweeted that a Saudi official confirmed the delivery of 500 TOW antitank missiles to the so-called Free Syrian Army (FSA).
The delivery of the TOW missiles — which have also been provided by the CIA — will allegedly increase the capabilities of the militants.
TOW missiles, as Popular Mechanics notes, are guided missiles that could thoroughly damage tanks, armored carriers, and other vehicles. And, unlike other projectiles used against armored targets, such as RPGs, TOW missiles can be used from a considerable distance.
Then one month later in mid November, the Al-Nusra Front Takfiri terrorists posted a video on the Internet to thank the so-called moderate terrorist group, the Free Syrian Army (FSA), for supplying them with the US-made anti-tank TOW missiles.
The video shows an Al-Nusra Front field commander thanking the FSA commanders for giving his forces TOW missiles.
For several months, the Al-Nusra Front and the FSA have colluded together at almost every single battle in Aleppo, Lattakia, Hama, and Idlib Governorates of Syria and they formed an alliance of the militant groups known as Jeish al-Fath (Army of Conquest)."
So the West is now arming Al Qaeda !!!!!!!!!, And you claim that the Russians are the ones you want to fight..........
Perhaps you could suggest your Governments try reading and following the UN Security Council ruling, Maybe, Perhaps.............., Or
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And a couple more steps towards WW part 3.
After the U.S. invasion of Iraq the U.S vice consul Paul Bremer tried to install a handpicked Iraqi government. The top Shia religious authority in Iraq, Grand Ajatollah Sistani, demanded a democratic vote. The issue was thereby decided. There was no way the U.S could have circumvented Sisitani’s edict without a massive revolt by the 65% of Iraqis who are Shia and mostly follow his advice. Bremer had to fold.
Now Ajatollah Sistani takes position against the Turkish invasion of Iraq:
Iraq’s top Shi’ite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, called on the government on Friday to show “no tolerance” of any infringement of the country’s sovereignty, after Turkey deployed heavily armed troops to northern Iraq.
“The Iraqi government is responsible for protecting Iraq’s sovereignty and must not tolerate and side that infringes upon on it, whatever the justifications and necessities,” Karbalai’i said in a weekly sermon.
And Russia have also had enough of Turkey.
'President Vladimir Putin on Friday ordered Russia’s armed forces to act in an “extremely tough way” in Syria to protect Russian forces striking Islamic State targets there.
“Any targets threatening our (military) group or land infrastructure must be immediately destroyed,” Putin said, speaking at a Defence Ministry event.'
Vladimir Putin has praised the Russian cruise missiles fired against terrorists in Syria from the sea. He expressed hope that these weapons would not have to be armed with nuclear warheads.
“We must analyze everything happening on the battlefield, how the weapons operate. The Kalibrs (sea based cruise missiles) and KH-101 (airborne cruise missile) have proved to be modern and highly effective, and now we know it for sure - precision weapons that can be equipped with both conventional and special warheads, which are nuclear,” Putin said.
“Naturally, this is not necessary when fighting terrorists and, I hope, will never be needed,” the president added.
Memo to US, this is now not a game that you always win, note to Europe, You are collateral damage.
This is a serious statement from Russia that manure into the fan is the next stage. Talk to your MP's, Whoever and try to stop these Western phuq wits creating a mega death event for money.
After the U.S. invasion of Iraq the U.S vice consul Paul Bremer tried to install a handpicked Iraqi government. The top Shia religious authority in Iraq, Grand Ajatollah Sistani, demanded a democratic vote. The issue was thereby decided. There was no way the U.S could have circumvented Sisitani’s edict without a massive revolt by the 65% of Iraqis who are Shia and mostly follow his advice. Bremer had to fold.
Now Ajatollah Sistani takes position against the Turkish invasion of Iraq:
Iraq’s top Shi’ite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, called on the government on Friday to show “no tolerance” of any infringement of the country’s sovereignty, after Turkey deployed heavily armed troops to northern Iraq.
“The Iraqi government is responsible for protecting Iraq’s sovereignty and must not tolerate and side that infringes upon on it, whatever the justifications and necessities,” Karbalai’i said in a weekly sermon.
And Russia have also had enough of Turkey.
'President Vladimir Putin on Friday ordered Russia’s armed forces to act in an “extremely tough way” in Syria to protect Russian forces striking Islamic State targets there.
“Any targets threatening our (military) group or land infrastructure must be immediately destroyed,” Putin said, speaking at a Defence Ministry event.'
Vladimir Putin has praised the Russian cruise missiles fired against terrorists in Syria from the sea. He expressed hope that these weapons would not have to be armed with nuclear warheads.
“We must analyze everything happening on the battlefield, how the weapons operate. The Kalibrs (sea based cruise missiles) and KH-101 (airborne cruise missile) have proved to be modern and highly effective, and now we know it for sure - precision weapons that can be equipped with both conventional and special warheads, which are nuclear,” Putin said.
“Naturally, this is not necessary when fighting terrorists and, I hope, will never be needed,” the president added.
Memo to US, this is now not a game that you always win, note to Europe, You are collateral damage.
This is a serious statement from Russia that manure into the fan is the next stage. Talk to your MP's, Whoever and try to stop these Western phuq wits creating a mega death event for money.
News you won't get in your media.
Who remembers Iran 'capturing' 2 US Navy Seal boats back in early Jan ?
"US officials said it was unclear how the crew members ended up in Iranian waters, although an earlier report said that at least one vessel had become disabled and drifted there.
According to a report by the New York Times, an anonymous official said the two boats apparently grounded when one of them suffered a mechanical breakdown."
And a US Senator (X Navy Walrus) wants answers.
"According to the Washington Examiner, Rep. Ryan Zinke, who wrapped up a 23-year naval career in 2008 before being elected to Congress, has recently voiced some of his personal suspicions about the sailors’ detainment.
“It doesn’t add up to me that somehow two boats are stranded within the territory of Iran waters,” Rep. Zinke said on Tuesday. “There’s a lot of questions out there that we have and I think Congress and the American people should know the answers.”
Secretary of State John Kerry and other U.S. officials noted that the combination of navigational errors and engine troubles lead to the sailors drifting into Iranian waters.
Rep. Zinke states that they only would have been stranded if the sailors were unable to execute “basic seamanship” or if Iran demonstrated aggression toward them.
“It seems to me that a number of very straightforward planning considerations either weren’t planned, or the plan wasn’t followed,” he said.
Rep. Zinke argued that mechanical problems couldn’t explain the situation, as such boats travel in pairs and one vessel could easily get the other out of harm’s way.
“I think America needs to know the truth about whether or not the situation was from a lack of training or something more,” he said. “Where did the Iranians intercept them? Did they intercept them with a superior force? Were they actually in Iranian territorial waters or were they in international waters?”"
Well, what's now coming out now is even funnier....., also missing from any Western media, I wonder why ?
I'd have thought that a successful attack against ISIS should be announced.......
Unless it showed how the US helps run ISIS....., then it's probably not a good thing to announce in your media. Good thing it hasn't been.......
"Following the Iranian capture of two U.S. Navy Riverine Command Boats last week, intelligence officials in Tehran discovered a plot to transport a “top level” ISIS commander into Syria from Saudi Arabia in order to replace the toppled terrorist leader Zahran Alloush.
Once this Islamic State terror leader was in route to Kuwait aboard one of the US Navy’s RCB’s, this report continues, an “overwhelming” force of Iranian Sep?h naval troops captured both this terrorist, the US Navy boats (including the American sailors aboard them) transporting him and nearly ignited an all out war when Iranian forces were forced to fire “warning missiles” against the US Navy’s aircraft carrier USS Harry Truman attempting to intervene.
Rear Admiral Ali Fadavi, the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy overseeing this operation, this report notes, stated about this operation to capture this terror leader that the aircraft carrier USS Truman displayed “unprofessional moves” thus causing him to put Iranian naval forces on high alert and warning: “We prepared our coast-to-sea missiles, missile-launching speedboats and our numerous capabilities, to strike if they made a hostile move”.
Upon the US Navy “backing down”, this report says, the captured Islamic State terror leader and the American sailors accompanying him were brought to Farsi Island whereupon Admiral Fadavi immediately contacted Deputy Foreign Minister for European and American Affairs Majid Takht Ravanchi.
The importance of Admiral Fadavi contacting Minister Ravanchi, this report explains, was due to his, Ravanchi’s, months long ongoing secret negotiations with Obama regime representative Wendy Sherman—who, shockingly, the Obama regime put in charge of these negotiations as her prior experience in international diplomacy was her being a social worker and the former director of State of Maryland’s office of child welfare.
Once Wendy Sherman was advised by Minister Ravanchi of Sep?h’s capture of this Islamic State terror leader and American sailors, this report continues, the Obama regime immediately “caved/relented” to all of Iran’s demands relating to “prisoner/detainee” swaps thus securing for the Iranians everything they had asked for, including the immediate releaseof seven Iranian nationals languishing in US jails and an agreement that the US would no longer pursue extradition of 14 Iranians for their alleged involvement in purchasing arms from the US to Iran.
Iran on its side, this report says, agreed to release the four dual nationality Iranian-American prisoners it held—the two most important being Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) spies Nosratollah Khosravi Matt Trevithick—the most important of them being Khosravi whom the Obama regime requested of Iran, and was granted, that his release be treated separately from the other three.
As an added “bonus/incentive” for Iran keeping “confidential/secret” the US Navy’s transporting of this Islamic State terror leader, this report further notes, President Barack Obama, also, lifted the American’s decades-old ban on selling aircraft and repair parts to Iran’s aviation on Friday (15 January) a full day ahead of the United Nations lifting of sanctions under the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)—and which Iran put into immediate effect by ordering billions-of-dollars worth of European Union made Airbus aircraft instead of US made ones.
To how the American mainstream propaganda media has covered up this entire sordid affair including changing its date from 29 December to 12 January proving, once again, the Obama regimes direct complicity in directing the Islamic State terrorists in Syrian and Iraq, this report concludes, borders on the “absolute comical” as the many versions of what exactly they keep saying happened has kept changing by the hour/day/week (US Navy boats broke down/US Navy boats had navigational errors) and they have “deliberately decoupled” the capture of these US Navy boats with the firing upon the USS Harry Truman aircraft carrier by Iranian naval forces—but which Admiral Fadavi bluntly stated: “The incident [Iran firing missiles against the USS Harry Truman] occurred during Iran’s seizure Tuesday [29 December] of two US naval boats.”
Who remembers Iran 'capturing' 2 US Navy Seal boats back in early Jan ?
"US officials said it was unclear how the crew members ended up in Iranian waters, although an earlier report said that at least one vessel had become disabled and drifted there.
According to a report by the New York Times, an anonymous official said the two boats apparently grounded when one of them suffered a mechanical breakdown."
And a US Senator (X Navy Walrus) wants answers.
"According to the Washington Examiner, Rep. Ryan Zinke, who wrapped up a 23-year naval career in 2008 before being elected to Congress, has recently voiced some of his personal suspicions about the sailors’ detainment.
“It doesn’t add up to me that somehow two boats are stranded within the territory of Iran waters,” Rep. Zinke said on Tuesday. “There’s a lot of questions out there that we have and I think Congress and the American people should know the answers.”
Secretary of State John Kerry and other U.S. officials noted that the combination of navigational errors and engine troubles lead to the sailors drifting into Iranian waters.
Rep. Zinke states that they only would have been stranded if the sailors were unable to execute “basic seamanship” or if Iran demonstrated aggression toward them.
“It seems to me that a number of very straightforward planning considerations either weren’t planned, or the plan wasn’t followed,” he said.
Rep. Zinke argued that mechanical problems couldn’t explain the situation, as such boats travel in pairs and one vessel could easily get the other out of harm’s way.
“I think America needs to know the truth about whether or not the situation was from a lack of training or something more,” he said. “Where did the Iranians intercept them? Did they intercept them with a superior force? Were they actually in Iranian territorial waters or were they in international waters?”"
Well, what's now coming out now is even funnier....., also missing from any Western media, I wonder why ?
I'd have thought that a successful attack against ISIS should be announced.......
Unless it showed how the US helps run ISIS....., then it's probably not a good thing to announce in your media. Good thing it hasn't been.......
"Following the Iranian capture of two U.S. Navy Riverine Command Boats last week, intelligence officials in Tehran discovered a plot to transport a “top level” ISIS commander into Syria from Saudi Arabia in order to replace the toppled terrorist leader Zahran Alloush.
Once this Islamic State terror leader was in route to Kuwait aboard one of the US Navy’s RCB’s, this report continues, an “overwhelming” force of Iranian Sep?h naval troops captured both this terrorist, the US Navy boats (including the American sailors aboard them) transporting him and nearly ignited an all out war when Iranian forces were forced to fire “warning missiles” against the US Navy’s aircraft carrier USS Harry Truman attempting to intervene.
Rear Admiral Ali Fadavi, the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy overseeing this operation, this report notes, stated about this operation to capture this terror leader that the aircraft carrier USS Truman displayed “unprofessional moves” thus causing him to put Iranian naval forces on high alert and warning: “We prepared our coast-to-sea missiles, missile-launching speedboats and our numerous capabilities, to strike if they made a hostile move”.
Upon the US Navy “backing down”, this report says, the captured Islamic State terror leader and the American sailors accompanying him were brought to Farsi Island whereupon Admiral Fadavi immediately contacted Deputy Foreign Minister for European and American Affairs Majid Takht Ravanchi.
The importance of Admiral Fadavi contacting Minister Ravanchi, this report explains, was due to his, Ravanchi’s, months long ongoing secret negotiations with Obama regime representative Wendy Sherman—who, shockingly, the Obama regime put in charge of these negotiations as her prior experience in international diplomacy was her being a social worker and the former director of State of Maryland’s office of child welfare.
Once Wendy Sherman was advised by Minister Ravanchi of Sep?h’s capture of this Islamic State terror leader and American sailors, this report continues, the Obama regime immediately “caved/relented” to all of Iran’s demands relating to “prisoner/detainee” swaps thus securing for the Iranians everything they had asked for, including the immediate releaseof seven Iranian nationals languishing in US jails and an agreement that the US would no longer pursue extradition of 14 Iranians for their alleged involvement in purchasing arms from the US to Iran.
Iran on its side, this report says, agreed to release the four dual nationality Iranian-American prisoners it held—the two most important being Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) spies Nosratollah Khosravi Matt Trevithick—the most important of them being Khosravi whom the Obama regime requested of Iran, and was granted, that his release be treated separately from the other three.
As an added “bonus/incentive” for Iran keeping “confidential/secret” the US Navy’s transporting of this Islamic State terror leader, this report further notes, President Barack Obama, also, lifted the American’s decades-old ban on selling aircraft and repair parts to Iran’s aviation on Friday (15 January) a full day ahead of the United Nations lifting of sanctions under the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)—and which Iran put into immediate effect by ordering billions-of-dollars worth of European Union made Airbus aircraft instead of US made ones.
To how the American mainstream propaganda media has covered up this entire sordid affair including changing its date from 29 December to 12 January proving, once again, the Obama regimes direct complicity in directing the Islamic State terrorists in Syrian and Iraq, this report concludes, borders on the “absolute comical” as the many versions of what exactly they keep saying happened has kept changing by the hour/day/week (US Navy boats broke down/US Navy boats had navigational errors) and they have “deliberately decoupled” the capture of these US Navy boats with the firing upon the USS Harry Truman aircraft carrier by Iranian naval forces—but which Admiral Fadavi bluntly stated: “The incident [Iran firing missiles against the USS Harry Truman] occurred during Iran’s seizure Tuesday [29 December] of two US naval boats.”
and now it's started:
It appears that World War 3 is beginning right now. This morning, Turkish Artillery began shelling positions outside of Azzaz, Syria. Those positions are held by the Syrian Arab Army (legitimate, duly-elected government of Syria) and are NOT being aimed at ISIS terrorists! These are direct attacks by Turkey upon the lawful government forces of Syria.With their rebel pals falling to the legitimate government of Syria, Turkey has now begun shelling into Syria to aid their Rebel forces and ISIS Terrorists!
UPDATE: 12:10 PM EST -- Turkish Official boldly declares "major escalation will take place in Syria within 24 hours."
UPDATE: 12:32 PM EST -- Turkish warplanes are flying on the Turkey side of the Turkey/Syria Border, fast and low. Russian warplanes are flying on the Syrian side of the Turkey/Syria border. If any single one of these pilots flies across -- or fires across - the border, all hell is going break lose TODAY.
URGENT UPDATE: 2:45 PM Eastern US Time -- UK military members told to cancel all plans and all leave, prepare for deployment to Syria!
Update 2:58 PM Eastern US Time -- An entire FLEET of Russian Antonov-124 cargo planes (the largest cargo planes in the world) have begun arriving in Syria carrying Russian Tanks, Nuclear-tipped artillery shells and other major warfighting gear. Within the last 90 minutes, TWO of these massive cargo aircraft have landed and began unloading. Other Antoniv's can be seen circling under the watchful eye of Russian warplanes.
UPDATE 3:17 PM Eastern US Time 13 February 2016 -- Russian Air Force Strategic Bomber/Tanker HF Voice Net "BALANS" Heavily Active with numerous fighter jets arranging re-fueling on their trip from northwestern Russia to Syria. NUMEROUS NUMEROUS Russian Fighter Jets in the air enroute to Syria right now
UPDATE 4:43 PM Eastern US Time -- Turkey has now opened fire with artillery against FOUR separate Geographic zones inside Syria.
UPDATE 4:50 PM Eastern US Time -- Qatar-i warplanes Have arrived with Saudi Arabia warplanes at Incirlik Airbase in Turkey -- Air Attacks upon Syria deemed "Imminent"
UPDATE 4:53 PM Eastern US Time -- Russia has increased the Alert Level for its entire military.
UPDATE 5:00 PM Eastern US Time -- Turkish Artillery is shelling Deir Jamal, Syria and Malikiyah, Syria
UPDATE 6:04 PM Eastern US Time -- BREAKING: Turkey confirms that its artillery targeted Syrian regime positions in Latakia (This is now an actual admission by the sovereign government of Turkey that it has deliberately attacked the forces of the legitimate and sovereign government of Syria. Without cause or justification, Turkey has begun a war.)
UPDATE 6:11 PM Eastern US Time -- Emergency Action Messages (EAM) - the highest priority message in the entire United States Military Command Structure, requiring IMMEDIATE attention and action -- have been broadcasting non-stop for about the last ten minutes on 8992 KHz USB.
It appears that World War 3 is beginning right now. This morning, Turkish Artillery began shelling positions outside of Azzaz, Syria. Those positions are held by the Syrian Arab Army (legitimate, duly-elected government of Syria) and are NOT being aimed at ISIS terrorists! These are direct attacks by Turkey upon the lawful government forces of Syria.With their rebel pals falling to the legitimate government of Syria, Turkey has now begun shelling into Syria to aid their Rebel forces and ISIS Terrorists!
UPDATE: 12:10 PM EST -- Turkish Official boldly declares "major escalation will take place in Syria within 24 hours."
UPDATE: 12:32 PM EST -- Turkish warplanes are flying on the Turkey side of the Turkey/Syria Border, fast and low. Russian warplanes are flying on the Syrian side of the Turkey/Syria border. If any single one of these pilots flies across -- or fires across - the border, all hell is going break lose TODAY.
URGENT UPDATE: 2:45 PM Eastern US Time -- UK military members told to cancel all plans and all leave, prepare for deployment to Syria!
Update 2:58 PM Eastern US Time -- An entire FLEET of Russian Antonov-124 cargo planes (the largest cargo planes in the world) have begun arriving in Syria carrying Russian Tanks, Nuclear-tipped artillery shells and other major warfighting gear. Within the last 90 minutes, TWO of these massive cargo aircraft have landed and began unloading. Other Antoniv's can be seen circling under the watchful eye of Russian warplanes.
UPDATE 3:17 PM Eastern US Time 13 February 2016 -- Russian Air Force Strategic Bomber/Tanker HF Voice Net "BALANS" Heavily Active with numerous fighter jets arranging re-fueling on their trip from northwestern Russia to Syria. NUMEROUS NUMEROUS Russian Fighter Jets in the air enroute to Syria right now
UPDATE 4:43 PM Eastern US Time -- Turkey has now opened fire with artillery against FOUR separate Geographic zones inside Syria.
UPDATE 4:50 PM Eastern US Time -- Qatar-i warplanes Have arrived with Saudi Arabia warplanes at Incirlik Airbase in Turkey -- Air Attacks upon Syria deemed "Imminent"
UPDATE 4:53 PM Eastern US Time -- Russia has increased the Alert Level for its entire military.
UPDATE 5:00 PM Eastern US Time -- Turkish Artillery is shelling Deir Jamal, Syria and Malikiyah, Syria
UPDATE 6:04 PM Eastern US Time -- BREAKING: Turkey confirms that its artillery targeted Syrian regime positions in Latakia (This is now an actual admission by the sovereign government of Turkey that it has deliberately attacked the forces of the legitimate and sovereign government of Syria. Without cause or justification, Turkey has begun a war.)
UPDATE 6:11 PM Eastern US Time -- Emergency Action Messages (EAM) - the highest priority message in the entire United States Military Command Structure, requiring IMMEDIATE attention and action -- have been broadcasting non-stop for about the last ten minutes on 8992 KHz USB.
And the US response...
“We are concerned about the situation north of Aleppo and are working to de-escalate tensions on all sides,” State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a statement.
“Turkey and the YPG share a serious threat of ISIL poised just to the east of the Azaz corridor,” Kirby added, referring to the self-proclaimed Islamic State group that has seized territory in Syria and Iraq.
“We continue to encourage all parties to focus on this common threat, which has not subsided, and to work toward a cessation of hostilities, as agreed in Munich.”
And Turkey's response to this request.
UPDATE 6:16 PM Eastern US Time -- URGENT: Turkish artillery renews attack on Syrian govt army positions in Aleppo
“We are concerned about the situation north of Aleppo and are working to de-escalate tensions on all sides,” State Department spokesman John Kirby said in a statement.
“Turkey and the YPG share a serious threat of ISIL poised just to the east of the Azaz corridor,” Kirby added, referring to the self-proclaimed Islamic State group that has seized territory in Syria and Iraq.
“We continue to encourage all parties to focus on this common threat, which has not subsided, and to work toward a cessation of hostilities, as agreed in Munich.”
And Turkey's response to this request.
UPDATE 6:16 PM Eastern US Time -- URGENT: Turkish artillery renews attack on Syrian govt army positions in Aleppo
A quick military analysis: (Dated 12/2, one day prior to Turkeys attack)
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It is reasonable to believe that Turkey is preparing to salvage its failed policy of supporting Islamic fundamentalist mercenaries and terrorist groups in Syria by invading and establishing a safe area for these groups along its southern border with Syria, while at the same time dealing a crushing blow to the Kurdish forces that have been successful in fighting them. Turkey is not only trying to topple the Assad government in Syrian, but is also trying to liquidate the Kurdish threat both in Iraq and Syria, as well as within its own borders.
Turkey’s membership in NATO complicates its plans of invasion. Unless Turkey is itself attacked, the NATO alliance is not obligated to defend the nation. Turkey will have to engineer a provocation that frames it as the target of an aggression either by Kurdish forces from beyond its borders or by Syrian or Russian forces combating its terrorist allies in Syria. Such a false flag provocation in not outside of the realm of possibility."
Turkey is claiming that a police station was mortored by Syria, so in Turkish opinion, the attack is self defense and justified......
.... earlier in 2014, an audio recording of Turkish officials, including the head of the Security Service (MIT), Deputy Chief of the General Staff, Foreign Minister and the Undersecretary to the Foreign Minister discussing staging an attack on the Tomb of Suleiman Shah (a sovereign piece of Turkish territory) in Syria and using it as a pretext to intervene in Syria were leaked anonymously on YouTube. The Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan responded by banning YouTube in Turkey, in affect giving support to the recordings authenticity.
It is most likely that elements of the Turkish Second Army are positioned along the southern border with Syria, and will form the nucleus of any invasion force. The 2nd Army is responsible for defending Southwestern Turkey. Its headquarters is based in Malatya, with approximately 100,000 troops under its command. The army is comprised of three corps, the 4th, 6th and 7th
The map below shows the position of these units:
The most obvious strategic aim of a Turkish invasion into Syrian territory would be to secure a sizable “safe zone” for Turkish-backed insurgents and terrorist forces in northern Syria. Not only would this salvage the Turkish proxies for future use, possibly in gurrilla style attacks and acts of terrorism against Syria, but would more importantly drive a wedge between the Kurdish YPG forces in Northwestern Syria (north of Idlib Province) and those located in the Northeastern Syria (east of Jarabulus).
The unknown variable for the Turkish military planners is the reaction of the Russian forces deployed within Syria, at the request of the only legitimate government of that country. Will the Russian air forces deployed in Syria react to thwart the incursion of a hostile force that aims to directly undermine the sovereignty of Syria? Will Russian air defense forces based at Khmeimim airbase or naval vessels positioned offshore fire upon Turkish aircraft that violate the sovereign airspace of Syria engaged in providing air cover for Turkish ground forces, and that could possibly threaten the Russian position in Latakia? There are a number of unknown variables that present immense uncertainties in the Turkish strategic calculus when planning such an undertaking.
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It is reasonable to believe that Turkey is preparing to salvage its failed policy of supporting Islamic fundamentalist mercenaries and terrorist groups in Syria by invading and establishing a safe area for these groups along its southern border with Syria, while at the same time dealing a crushing blow to the Kurdish forces that have been successful in fighting them. Turkey is not only trying to topple the Assad government in Syrian, but is also trying to liquidate the Kurdish threat both in Iraq and Syria, as well as within its own borders.
Turkey’s membership in NATO complicates its plans of invasion. Unless Turkey is itself attacked, the NATO alliance is not obligated to defend the nation. Turkey will have to engineer a provocation that frames it as the target of an aggression either by Kurdish forces from beyond its borders or by Syrian or Russian forces combating its terrorist allies in Syria. Such a false flag provocation in not outside of the realm of possibility."
Turkey is claiming that a police station was mortored by Syria, so in Turkish opinion, the attack is self defense and justified......
.... earlier in 2014, an audio recording of Turkish officials, including the head of the Security Service (MIT), Deputy Chief of the General Staff, Foreign Minister and the Undersecretary to the Foreign Minister discussing staging an attack on the Tomb of Suleiman Shah (a sovereign piece of Turkish territory) in Syria and using it as a pretext to intervene in Syria were leaked anonymously on YouTube. The Turkish Prime Minister Recep Erdogan responded by banning YouTube in Turkey, in affect giving support to the recordings authenticity.
It is most likely that elements of the Turkish Second Army are positioned along the southern border with Syria, and will form the nucleus of any invasion force. The 2nd Army is responsible for defending Southwestern Turkey. Its headquarters is based in Malatya, with approximately 100,000 troops under its command. The army is comprised of three corps, the 4th, 6th and 7th
The map below shows the position of these units:
The most obvious strategic aim of a Turkish invasion into Syrian territory would be to secure a sizable “safe zone” for Turkish-backed insurgents and terrorist forces in northern Syria. Not only would this salvage the Turkish proxies for future use, possibly in gurrilla style attacks and acts of terrorism against Syria, but would more importantly drive a wedge between the Kurdish YPG forces in Northwestern Syria (north of Idlib Province) and those located in the Northeastern Syria (east of Jarabulus).
The unknown variable for the Turkish military planners is the reaction of the Russian forces deployed within Syria, at the request of the only legitimate government of that country. Will the Russian air forces deployed in Syria react to thwart the incursion of a hostile force that aims to directly undermine the sovereignty of Syria? Will Russian air defense forces based at Khmeimim airbase or naval vessels positioned offshore fire upon Turkish aircraft that violate the sovereign airspace of Syria engaged in providing air cover for Turkish ground forces, and that could possibly threaten the Russian position in Latakia? There are a number of unknown variables that present immense uncertainties in the Turkish strategic calculus when planning such an undertaking.
Just got back from 2 weeks backpacking in Belize. Had a blast. Curious thing though. I ran across people from all over the world and some of the richest as well as poorest people in the world. I could go on for years about that experience. Buying lobsters from a rastafarian, talki9ng to a cop about the proper etiquette to use when telling people i didn't want weed... hitch hiking... all sorts of crap. Anyways I ran into a bunch of Canadians. And this might interest you. As "liberal" as what Canada is, they're mored scared of Hillary getting the white house than any two homophobic rednecks you can think of. And I think most knew more about American politics than they did their own.
My wife gots pictures. a lot of snorkeling.... don't head butt a jelly fish (have a Letter "C" looking scar on fore head. Not permanent. going away.)
I'll try and get the damned S3 license ... maybe tomorrow. Actually, I wanna sell all my crap and move there.
How much is S3 in Belizean Dollars? It has the Queen on it, You know.
Yeah, never headbut a jellyfish. We don't have the queen anymore on our money. Our PM got rid of her, but then he just got glitter-bombed and booed off stage at the Big Gay Out so that taught him !
How's Hillary's FBI thing going ?. Not good from what I hear.
Your sounding very US Spokepersonish ATM.
"Please Turkey, ISIS is there, Why are you attacking our special Kurds that we've been arming ??????? STOP PLEASE...."
It was clear the US was expecting STHF when the US sent the French carrier into the Gulf and pulled one of theirs out. See Pearl Harbour.
Let's just hope that NATO keep right out and just let Turkey and Saudi Arabia et al get a spanking for being complete retarded idiots.
This is a great review explaining why Turkey etc are acting as they are.
"This strategic Russian and Syrian victory meant that all the nations supporting Daesh, including Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the USA were facing a complete collapse of their efforts to overthrow Assad and to break-up Syria and turn part of it into a “Jihadistan”. The Americans could not admit this, of course, as for the Saudis, their threats to invade Syria were rather laughable. Which left the main role to Erdogan who was more than happy to provide the West with yet another maniacal ally willing to act in a completely irresponsible way just to deny the “other side” anything looking like a victory."
"........Needless to say, both plans are absolutely illegal under international law and would constitute an act of aggression, the “supreme international crime” according to the Nuremberg Tribunal, because “it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.” Not that this would deter a megalomaniac like Erdogan.
Erdogan, and his backers in the West, will, of course, claim that a humanitarian disaster, or even a genocide, is taking place in Aleppo, that there is a “responsibility to protect” (R2P) and that no UNSC is needed to take such clearly “humanitarian” action. It would be “Sarajevo v2” or “Kosovo v2” all over again. The western media is now actively busy demonizing Putin,"
And, if you read that you MUST remember that the Russian Airforce and ground forces are receiving large reinforcements today and onward. That alters that review very materially.
This is a 5 min explanation for busy people who like video.
The video points out what's just been deployed. And this..... The US is well aware of these game changers, lets just hope they are willing to hang Turkey et al out to dry.
The US would support regime (colour) change in Saudi Arabia anyway so it will be interesting to see how this goes.
Oh, sorry for all the dead in the process but you'll have died for a great cause - Bankers.......
How's Hillary's FBI thing going ?. Not good from what I hear.
Your sounding very US Spokepersonish ATM.
"Please Turkey, ISIS is there, Why are you attacking our special Kurds that we've been arming ??????? STOP PLEASE...."
It was clear the US was expecting STHF when the US sent the French carrier into the Gulf and pulled one of theirs out. See Pearl Harbour.
Let's just hope that NATO keep right out and just let Turkey and Saudi Arabia et al get a spanking for being complete retarded idiots.
This is a great review explaining why Turkey etc are acting as they are.
"This strategic Russian and Syrian victory meant that all the nations supporting Daesh, including Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the USA were facing a complete collapse of their efforts to overthrow Assad and to break-up Syria and turn part of it into a “Jihadistan”. The Americans could not admit this, of course, as for the Saudis, their threats to invade Syria were rather laughable. Which left the main role to Erdogan who was more than happy to provide the West with yet another maniacal ally willing to act in a completely irresponsible way just to deny the “other side” anything looking like a victory."
"........Needless to say, both plans are absolutely illegal under international law and would constitute an act of aggression, the “supreme international crime” according to the Nuremberg Tribunal, because “it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.” Not that this would deter a megalomaniac like Erdogan.
Erdogan, and his backers in the West, will, of course, claim that a humanitarian disaster, or even a genocide, is taking place in Aleppo, that there is a “responsibility to protect” (R2P) and that no UNSC is needed to take such clearly “humanitarian” action. It would be “Sarajevo v2” or “Kosovo v2” all over again. The western media is now actively busy demonizing Putin,"
And, if you read that you MUST remember that the Russian Airforce and ground forces are receiving large reinforcements today and onward. That alters that review very materially.
This is a 5 min explanation for busy people who like video.
The video points out what's just been deployed. And this..... The US is well aware of these game changers, lets just hope they are willing to hang Turkey et al out to dry.
The US would support regime (colour) change in Saudi Arabia anyway so it will be interesting to see how this goes.
Oh, sorry for all the dead in the process but you'll have died for a great cause - Bankers.......
UPDATE 3:25 AM Eastern US Time -- U.S.A urges turkey - in the strongest terms - to stop shelling northern Syria.
Turkey and Saudi Arabia say they will step up operations and send in ground troops if no resolution found.
UPDATE 3:47 AM Eastern US Time -- Saudi Arabia confirms its jets have arrived at Incirlik airbase, Turkey. Also says they will be meeting soon to "finalize details" of ground operations.
UPDATE 4:30 AM Eastern US Time -- Phone call between Putin and Obama to discuss the situation in Syria
EDITOR'S NOTE: This is a VERY bad thing. When the President of one country calls the President of the United States at 4:30 in the morning over military activities (anywhere) it is very urgent and very serious. NO ONE does that sort of thing over nonsense; it is always a major, serious event if it warrants rousting one President out of bed in the middle of the night. In political circles, it simply is not done ---- unless war is at stake. THis phone call seems to be a harbinger of very dangerous things to come.
UPDATE 8:27 AM Eastern US Time -- URGENT: Iran has now warned Saudi Arabia against sending troops to Syria after it deployed combat aircraft to Turkey "We will take necessary actions in due time." Moreover, an Iran Air Force Commander said Iran is ready to defend Syrian skies if President Assad requests it.
UPDATE 8:43 AM Eastern US Time -- 100s Soldiers of Jordan Army with armored vehicles, moving towards Syria border
UPDATE 11:13 AM Eastern US Time -- After Syrian Troops captured Israeli-Made Mortars from rebels and terrorists earlier today, Russia has just announced they are giving Hezbollah advanced radar systems capable of locking onto Israeli aircraft.
UPDATE 2:53 PM Eastern US Time -- #Qatar|i Foreign Minister: we urgently need to send ground forces. Qatar is ready to send forces.
UPDATE 3:29 PM Eastern US Time -- BREAKING Egyptian Foreign Minister rejects the Saudi military intervention in Syria
UPDATE 3:55 PM Eastern US Time --
BREAKING: TWO LARGE ARMORED COLUMNS (TANKS AND APC'S)
HEADING SOUTH FROM CEYLANP, TURKEY TOWARD SYRIA . . . NOW
Turkey and Saudi Arabia say they will step up operations and send in ground troops if no resolution found.
UPDATE 3:47 AM Eastern US Time -- Saudi Arabia confirms its jets have arrived at Incirlik airbase, Turkey. Also says they will be meeting soon to "finalize details" of ground operations.
UPDATE 4:30 AM Eastern US Time -- Phone call between Putin and Obama to discuss the situation in Syria
EDITOR'S NOTE: This is a VERY bad thing. When the President of one country calls the President of the United States at 4:30 in the morning over military activities (anywhere) it is very urgent and very serious. NO ONE does that sort of thing over nonsense; it is always a major, serious event if it warrants rousting one President out of bed in the middle of the night. In political circles, it simply is not done ---- unless war is at stake. THis phone call seems to be a harbinger of very dangerous things to come.
UPDATE 8:27 AM Eastern US Time -- URGENT: Iran has now warned Saudi Arabia against sending troops to Syria after it deployed combat aircraft to Turkey "We will take necessary actions in due time." Moreover, an Iran Air Force Commander said Iran is ready to defend Syrian skies if President Assad requests it.
UPDATE 8:43 AM Eastern US Time -- 100s Soldiers of Jordan Army with armored vehicles, moving towards Syria border
UPDATE 11:13 AM Eastern US Time -- After Syrian Troops captured Israeli-Made Mortars from rebels and terrorists earlier today, Russia has just announced they are giving Hezbollah advanced radar systems capable of locking onto Israeli aircraft.
UPDATE 2:53 PM Eastern US Time -- #Qatar|i Foreign Minister: we urgently need to send ground forces. Qatar is ready to send forces.
UPDATE 3:29 PM Eastern US Time -- BREAKING Egyptian Foreign Minister rejects the Saudi military intervention in Syria
UPDATE 3:55 PM Eastern US Time --
BREAKING: TWO LARGE ARMORED COLUMNS (TANKS AND APC'S)
HEADING SOUTH FROM CEYLANP, TURKEY TOWARD SYRIA . . . NOW
4 day old analysis of why this will go Nuclear.
As of tonight, February 10, 2016, Alleppo is now surrounded and cut-off. The Saudis are getting desperate to help their rebel/terrorist buddies.
The only way the Saudis, Qataris, Turks and USA can possibly _hope_ to protect their rebel pals is to enter in such massive force, they overwhelm the Russians. This triggers another problem: Russia has a doctrine of using tactical nuclear weapons FIRST to protect their interests and their territory.
As soon as those troops and tanks begin to cross into Syria, the Russian S-300 and S-400 missiles will begin taking-out the 2,450 military planes and 460 helicopters. The S-400 is probably the single most advanced anti-aircraft system in the world and the aggressor jets will drop like flies.
But when the 350,000 troops and 20,000 tanks start crossing the border, the ONLY solution for the Syrians and the Russians will be to use tactical nukes. Perhaps those artillery-launched nukes would be fired inside Syria, but they would detonate on the border with Jordan, or Iraq (wherever the troops are entering from) and the wind will start carrying the fallout deeper into those countries. Perhaps the nukes would be fired into Saudi Arabia itself (because that's where the mass of troops is coming from.)
Either way, the Arabs do not seem to realize who they are dealing with. Russia is a nuclear super power. Russia will NOT allow itself to be over-run or humiliated in Syria. Russia will do what Russia HAS to do; and an awful lot of Arab troops, who were lead down the primrose path by the US who is probably telling them they have nothing to worry about, will find out what it's like to see a sudden, bright, white flash, as their troops get vaporized.
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/884
As of tonight, February 10, 2016, Alleppo is now surrounded and cut-off. The Saudis are getting desperate to help their rebel/terrorist buddies.
The only way the Saudis, Qataris, Turks and USA can possibly _hope_ to protect their rebel pals is to enter in such massive force, they overwhelm the Russians. This triggers another problem: Russia has a doctrine of using tactical nuclear weapons FIRST to protect their interests and their territory.
As soon as those troops and tanks begin to cross into Syria, the Russian S-300 and S-400 missiles will begin taking-out the 2,450 military planes and 460 helicopters. The S-400 is probably the single most advanced anti-aircraft system in the world and the aggressor jets will drop like flies.
But when the 350,000 troops and 20,000 tanks start crossing the border, the ONLY solution for the Syrians and the Russians will be to use tactical nukes. Perhaps those artillery-launched nukes would be fired inside Syria, but they would detonate on the border with Jordan, or Iraq (wherever the troops are entering from) and the wind will start carrying the fallout deeper into those countries. Perhaps the nukes would be fired into Saudi Arabia itself (because that's where the mass of troops is coming from.)
Either way, the Arabs do not seem to realize who they are dealing with. Russia is a nuclear super power. Russia will NOT allow itself to be over-run or humiliated in Syria. Russia will do what Russia HAS to do; and an awful lot of Arab troops, who were lead down the primrose path by the US who is probably telling them they have nothing to worry about, will find out what it's like to see a sudden, bright, white flash, as their troops get vaporized.
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/884
This is completely unconfirmed, so it's rumour, hearsay, may well be wrong 
BUT, past experience suggests that this may well be a Russian leak, as there tends to be a certain feel to an 'official' Russian leak, they have happened before.
"Media outlets are in a frenzied effort to obtain what is alleged to be an accidentally-misrouted Presidential Phone call; sent via an insecure circuit, which was intercepted. The telephone call was allegedly between U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin."
"The rumor mill churned out details that lend credibility to the possibility the call was insecure and recorded. For instance, Putin allegedly told Obama that he would no longer tolerate Erdogan (The Turkish President) "protecting and assisting terrorists, then engaging in sneak attacks, while hiding behind the shield of NATO." Putin also allegedly referred to the Saudi Arabians by a less than diplomatic epithet, and he allegedly went on to say that unless Obama "put a leash on these dogs, Turkey would be on a Russian Bear's menu." He allegedly also said that Saudi Arabia's intent to forcibly remove Bashar Assad "could make the desert glow in the dark." If true, it was a direct nuclear threat against Saudi Arabia!
Obama allegedly made clear that NATO would not allow that to take place, to which Putin allegedly chuckled "NATO is falling apart; they can't even control their own borders!" He allegedly added "they have no power to interfere with Russia!" Putin also allegedly made clear to Obama "These people are doing your bidding, get them under control while you still can or Russia will do it for you.""
There is no substance to this rumour, HOWEVER, NZ media played this conversation down, simply reported that they spoke, with no mention that it was 4:30 am US time. NZ media have also completely ignored what's happening currently, with the only reports being filled with more lies than the Daily Mail manage......
This story is far higher up the rankings... "Labelled a heroine for her actions during the Paris terror attacks, it has emerged that Diesel the police dog was shot by officers on her own side.
According to the Daily Mail Diesel and a seven-year-old Belgian Shepherd were killed during reckless shooting that wounded innocent neighbours and threatened at least five other policemen."
I had a fun conversation with a long time friend who's a senior editor at 'redacted' who thought that not expressing an opinion on record of their reporting was a wise choice......
Mind you, we in NZ are supposed to be a good little US puppet so our media reflects that.
(That's not a joke, this is a lead in our media today....)
BUT, past experience suggests that this may well be a Russian leak, as there tends to be a certain feel to an 'official' Russian leak, they have happened before.
"Media outlets are in a frenzied effort to obtain what is alleged to be an accidentally-misrouted Presidential Phone call; sent via an insecure circuit, which was intercepted. The telephone call was allegedly between U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin."
"The rumor mill churned out details that lend credibility to the possibility the call was insecure and recorded. For instance, Putin allegedly told Obama that he would no longer tolerate Erdogan (The Turkish President) "protecting and assisting terrorists, then engaging in sneak attacks, while hiding behind the shield of NATO." Putin also allegedly referred to the Saudi Arabians by a less than diplomatic epithet, and he allegedly went on to say that unless Obama "put a leash on these dogs, Turkey would be on a Russian Bear's menu." He allegedly also said that Saudi Arabia's intent to forcibly remove Bashar Assad "could make the desert glow in the dark." If true, it was a direct nuclear threat against Saudi Arabia!
Obama allegedly made clear that NATO would not allow that to take place, to which Putin allegedly chuckled "NATO is falling apart; they can't even control their own borders!" He allegedly added "they have no power to interfere with Russia!" Putin also allegedly made clear to Obama "These people are doing your bidding, get them under control while you still can or Russia will do it for you.""
There is no substance to this rumour, HOWEVER, NZ media played this conversation down, simply reported that they spoke, with no mention that it was 4:30 am US time. NZ media have also completely ignored what's happening currently, with the only reports being filled with more lies than the Daily Mail manage......
This story is far higher up the rankings... "Labelled a heroine for her actions during the Paris terror attacks, it has emerged that Diesel the police dog was shot by officers on her own side.
According to the Daily Mail Diesel and a seven-year-old Belgian Shepherd were killed during reckless shooting that wounded innocent neighbours and threatened at least five other policemen."
I had a fun conversation with a long time friend who's a senior editor at 'redacted' who thought that not expressing an opinion on record of their reporting was a wise choice......
Mind you, we in NZ are supposed to be a good little US puppet so our media reflects that.
(That's not a joke, this is a lead in our media today....)
Hillary and the Emails.....
Two things here. At this point, it doesn't matter what she sent, what email account she used or if any protocols were broken. I mean, all that's a waste of time seeing how China and Russia pretty much hacked all the emails anyone ever sent in the history of email.
Hillary has a rock solid vote machine in place. The lamestreream media will go on and on about how much Trump leads Cruz. or how pathetic Bush is doing. None of that matters. The numbers Trump has in his stats are for the party only. He falls way short of the "Woman from Babylon".
Hillary is scary. She can get knocked up and drive drunk on the way to the abortion clinic and run over a couple of disabled kids waiting for the school bus and STILL win in a landslide.
About Syria.....
That place is one big mess. I seriously doubt that the conflict there will turn into a nuclear slugfest. Uh Israel weapons in the hands of terrorist rebels? That's really not that uncommon. And it really doubtful that the Israeli government gave them to those groups. You know what the gun of choice is for Hezbollah? It's not the AK. The American M16. We don't sell them to Hezbollah....Unless they come over here and shop at gun shows.
Also, Trump has said quite a bit positive things about Putin. Not that I care for Trump. As a somewhat conservative, I can't even almost support any of the GOP herd. In fact, I can't even consider any of them as real conservatives. But he has tapped into a large segment of the voter base, especially Texans, that like Putin and wish everyone would follow his lead on Syria instead of just increasing the madness like what we are all doing now.
I agree with Putin on this policy. It's not pretty, it's not nice, but it beats the current situation. And it's the only solution that doesn't lead to permanent collapse. We can prop up Assad, get the country in order again, then replace his ass once we can find someone more suited to the task instead of just throwing money to any half-wit with a suicide belt in the name of promoting freedom.
But for me, none of that matters. We have a train wreck fixing to happen here. Depending on what Clinton and her administration will and won't get away with once she gets in office will determine a whole lot of things. None of them good. You "greasy foreign kids" know a lot about American politics. Most of y'all know more about it than most of us 'mericans do. LOL Maybe foreign nationals should have the right to vote in our elections?
Oh well at least our politicians don't have a thing for tugging pony tails.... Dude, that's just creepy.
As far as tactical nukes goes? LOL that's depleted uranium bullets and artillery. Not Hydrogen bombs. Still not something to want to have to deal with as both the shooter and surviving targets winds up having problems in the future. The real exchange with the most damaging effects is the gas war the Russians and Saudis are engaging in. The economic ripples from that oil glut is going to be felt all over the planet, if isn't being felt already.
Two things here. At this point, it doesn't matter what she sent, what email account she used or if any protocols were broken. I mean, all that's a waste of time seeing how China and Russia pretty much hacked all the emails anyone ever sent in the history of email.
Hillary has a rock solid vote machine in place. The lamestreream media will go on and on about how much Trump leads Cruz. or how pathetic Bush is doing. None of that matters. The numbers Trump has in his stats are for the party only. He falls way short of the "Woman from Babylon".
Hillary is scary. She can get knocked up and drive drunk on the way to the abortion clinic and run over a couple of disabled kids waiting for the school bus and STILL win in a landslide.
About Syria.....
That place is one big mess. I seriously doubt that the conflict there will turn into a nuclear slugfest. Uh Israel weapons in the hands of terrorist rebels? That's really not that uncommon. And it really doubtful that the Israeli government gave them to those groups. You know what the gun of choice is for Hezbollah? It's not the AK. The American M16. We don't sell them to Hezbollah....Unless they come over here and shop at gun shows.
Also, Trump has said quite a bit positive things about Putin. Not that I care for Trump. As a somewhat conservative, I can't even almost support any of the GOP herd. In fact, I can't even consider any of them as real conservatives. But he has tapped into a large segment of the voter base, especially Texans, that like Putin and wish everyone would follow his lead on Syria instead of just increasing the madness like what we are all doing now.
I agree with Putin on this policy. It's not pretty, it's not nice, but it beats the current situation. And it's the only solution that doesn't lead to permanent collapse. We can prop up Assad, get the country in order again, then replace his ass once we can find someone more suited to the task instead of just throwing money to any half-wit with a suicide belt in the name of promoting freedom.
But for me, none of that matters. We have a train wreck fixing to happen here. Depending on what Clinton and her administration will and won't get away with once she gets in office will determine a whole lot of things. None of them good. You "greasy foreign kids" know a lot about American politics. Most of y'all know more about it than most of us 'mericans do. LOL Maybe foreign nationals should have the right to vote in our elections?
Oh well at least our politicians don't have a thing for tugging pony tails.... Dude, that's just creepy.
As far as tactical nukes goes? LOL that's depleted uranium bullets and artillery. Not Hydrogen bombs. Still not something to want to have to deal with as both the shooter and surviving targets winds up having problems in the future. The real exchange with the most damaging effects is the gas war the Russians and Saudis are engaging in. The economic ripples from that oil glut is going to be felt all over the planet, if isn't being felt already.
OK, I can't say much. But as one of the UK standby Bn, I can assure you, no such order has come through. You might want to get some juicy source for that. Maybe RAF are expecting to do some more air strikes, but nothing is happening with the Army right now.
Can't you just sod off and signup at some batshit crazy conspiracy theorists forum?
Just stop replying. He feels like a big fish here, regurgitating this stuff like it's his own.
"Media outlets are in a frenzied effort to obtain what is alleged to be an accidentally-misrouted Presidential Phone call; sent via an insecure circuit, which was intercepted. The telephone call was allegedly between U.S. President Barack Obama and Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin."
so funny
so funny"Long Saudis armored columns entered Jordan and moving towards the Syrian border, where the British and the armies of several Arab countries will participate in maneuvers called “Thunder”, for which the London newspapers say they represent the exercise of opposing Russia.
British authorities have denied the claim of London´s Telegraph magazine, but remained unambiguous about the decision that they send to Jordan about 1,600 troops and 300 units of combat techniques.
Near the Jordanian-Syrian border is now deployed several hundred combat vehicles of Saudi Arabia which announced that with the approval of the United States is ready to enter Syria. All under the pretext of the fight against the Islamic State, which is actually not along the border of Syria and Jordan, but only so-called moderate opposition supported by the West and the various factions of al-Qaeda.
These terrorist formations are facing defeat and are faced with rebellions in the Syrian cities which are kept under control. It is remarkable that representatives of the so-called moderate Syrian opposition returned last week from failed negotiations in Geneva back by the private jet in the Saudi capital of Riyadh.
A similar situation is in the north of Syria where the formations of Jabhat al-Nusra, Jaish al-Fatah, Jaish al-Islam and the so-called moderate opposition rattle between Aleppo and the Turkish border.
Ankara earns fortunes on trade from stolen Syrian oil, but the Russian intervention restrains also the Neo-Ottoman ideology according to which all the countries of the former Ottoman Empire shall be under the influence of Turkey."
This is just posted for info, It's a bit unclear and the UK post probably actually related to the just announced exercise called 'Thunder' that magicly places troops on the Syrian border. I realise most of you only believe what your media says, Fine....
The point I'm making is this is about to get rather nasty, good to see the UK have chosen to sacrifice some troops. Even the US is keeping clear of this one.
And if you only want to moan, don't bother reading the thread, or is that too hard for you ?
You need to remember that ISIS and Al Qaeda, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, et al are your team. Your media tells you to support (some of) them, you arm them and if any other nation attacks your team you get upset.
Yes, you must hate Russia, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, because they are the enemy.
You main dichotomy is that you are pretending to fight ISIS, Al Queda, El Nusra, while your supporting, arming, and buying their stolen oil. And they are fighting for you. I'm not surprised you are all confused about whats going on.
Turkey has already been caught transporting, re arming ISIS, Al Qaeda groups in the last couple of days. Israel has armed these groups as well as provided medical care.
Do grow up and learn who your allies are !
British authorities have denied the claim of London´s Telegraph magazine, but remained unambiguous about the decision that they send to Jordan about 1,600 troops and 300 units of combat techniques.
Near the Jordanian-Syrian border is now deployed several hundred combat vehicles of Saudi Arabia which announced that with the approval of the United States is ready to enter Syria. All under the pretext of the fight against the Islamic State, which is actually not along the border of Syria and Jordan, but only so-called moderate opposition supported by the West and the various factions of al-Qaeda.
These terrorist formations are facing defeat and are faced with rebellions in the Syrian cities which are kept under control. It is remarkable that representatives of the so-called moderate Syrian opposition returned last week from failed negotiations in Geneva back by the private jet in the Saudi capital of Riyadh.
A similar situation is in the north of Syria where the formations of Jabhat al-Nusra, Jaish al-Fatah, Jaish al-Islam and the so-called moderate opposition rattle between Aleppo and the Turkish border.
Ankara earns fortunes on trade from stolen Syrian oil, but the Russian intervention restrains also the Neo-Ottoman ideology according to which all the countries of the former Ottoman Empire shall be under the influence of Turkey."
This is just posted for info, It's a bit unclear and the UK post probably actually related to the just announced exercise called 'Thunder' that magicly places troops on the Syrian border. I realise most of you only believe what your media says, Fine....
The point I'm making is this is about to get rather nasty, good to see the UK have chosen to sacrifice some troops. Even the US is keeping clear of this one.
And if you only want to moan, don't bother reading the thread, or is that too hard for you ?
You need to remember that ISIS and Al Qaeda, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, et al are your team. Your media tells you to support (some of) them, you arm them and if any other nation attacks your team you get upset.
Yes, you must hate Russia, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, because they are the enemy.
You main dichotomy is that you are pretending to fight ISIS, Al Queda, El Nusra, while your supporting, arming, and buying their stolen oil. And they are fighting for you. I'm not surprised you are all confused about whats going on.
Turkey has already been caught transporting, re arming ISIS, Al Qaeda groups in the last couple of days. Israel has armed these groups as well as provided medical care.
Do grow up and learn who your allies are !
"Yes, you must hate Russia, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, because they are the enemy."
Enemy for what?
Enemy for what?
This whole war is just one big mess. There is no right thing to do, because no matter you try, there will always come some harm from it. Turkey, for example, is basically supporting ISIS which is some kind of problem because they are NATO-country.
This topic is unreadable, btw.
This topic is unreadable, btw.
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The shooting war starts - ISIS and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan
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