OK, we've established drifitng is sport, but not racing so I won't go there But..

Since drift events these days are almost exclusively run on sections of existing tracks, asking for "drift tracks" is ridiculous because "drift tracks" don't exist. With all the tracks and configs available I think it's a bit OTT to ask for something that's so specific to such a minority sport. RL drifters have to make do with the tracks that are there. LFS has plenty of tracks and you can run them all in reverse. I don't really see the problem

Asking for a mountain run or two is also unreasonable because LFS can't do point-to-point runs at this stage in its development. Therefore, rally stages (and hillclimbs and touge) will have to come later, if at all. I suspect Eric & Co. would much rather dedicate their time to making great race tracks for everyone and not cater for any special interest groups.

i mentioned before that drift tracks do exist. there are tracks made specificly for drifting but they arent needed in lfs. we have tracks already with nice corners and we have the ability to put down cones and barriers and layouts and such... i already said this a few posts above

grip racing?
as opposed to... drift racing?

Am i the only one who feels somewhat insulted by the term "grip racing" ?

Whats to be unsulted by? normal racing requires grip? i have played games where you pick your style of racing, drift or grip. whats the problem?

You guys are so narrowminded. Things have to be your way or not at all. This reminds me why I stopped visiting the forums in the first place. There is no room for compromise or reasonable accomodations.

I will just assume end this conversation and be on my way.

turn your car more sideways to drift... -nuff said :P

lol i think grip or drift racing came from ridge racer.

a great game but its pretty much the exact opposite of LFS.

Quote from Hankstar :

OK, we've established drifitng is sport, but not racing so I won't go there But..

Since drift events these days are almost exclusively run on sections of existing tracks, asking for "drift tracks" is ridiculous because "drift tracks" don't exist. With all the tracks and configs available I think it's a bit OTT to ask for something that's so specific to such a minority sport. RL drifters have to make do with the tracks that are there. LFS has plenty of tracks and you can run them all in reverse. I don't really see the problem

Asking for a mountain run or two is also unreasonable because LFS can't do point-to-point runs at this stage in its development. Therefore, rally stages (and hillclimbs and touge) will have to come later, if at all. I suspect Eric & Co. would much rather dedicate their time to making great race tracks for everyone and not cater for any special interest groups.

Sekia Hills and Ebisu Circuit are both made for Drift racing

Oh, and, we're not technically pushing Eric to make mountain runs, we're just suggesting it.

Exactly. Its not like I want "dryft tyres!!11 and nawss!!!" Just a mountian run. How long would it possably take to map a course like that? Not long. I have made many maps for many other games, and its not a huge project that takes months and months.

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Whats to be unsulted by? normal racing requires grip? i have played games where you pick your style of racing, drift or grip. whats the problem?

You guys are so narrowminded. Things have to be your way or not at all. This reminds me why I stopped visiting the forums in the first place. There is no room for compromise or reasonable accomodations.

I will just assume end this conversation and be on my way.

Drifting is not racing. You can say it is a sport, but it is not racing. So it is meaningless to say "drift racing" and "grip racing". It is "drifting" and "racing". "Racing" is "you start here. these are the restrictions. get there. whoever gets there in the least time, is declared winner."

Don't be so open minded, man, your brains might fall out.

there is room for reasonable accomodations. for the love of all that is cruncy, we have city streets, dragstrips, club circuits... minis caterhams coupes hatchback prototypes openwheelers F1... A simulator so elaborate that takes into consideration the temperature of the tyre in 5 different positions and the phase of the moon.

... and you use this for drifting ?

Why use LFS if you want drifting? isn't NFS good enough for this?

i really wish the admins or the devs would lock these topics as soon as they came up. Every week there is a new discussion(well, high school type argument is more like it) about drifting. It's starting to get old. The same thing, over and over again. Some people demanding that LFS needs to cater to drifters and others flaming them for it. Then everyone thinks that they know everything there is to know about drifting and wants to tell the entire world. If you want to drift, that's fine...if you don't want to drift...that's fine. I really don't see the problem here.

Now, notice that i've kept this post nice and clean. I didn't insult anyone or anything. But i can almost guarantee you that i will get all kinds of people trying to flame me. Because that is what happens in these types of topics.

Quote from george_tsiros :

Why use LFS if you want drifting? isn't NFS good enough for this?

NFS does racing too, why bother with LFS?

I started drifting. But, I figured something out. If I can slide my car at a greater angle sideways on purpose while drifting and recover, then when I am racing I can recover from accidental oversteer easier.

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NFS does racing too, why bother with LFS?

Quote from Blowtus :

NFS does racing too, why bother with LFS?

Quote from Skyline_Drifter_ :

Sekia Hills and Ebisu Circuit are both made for Drift racing

Oh, and, we're not technically pushing Eric to make mountain runs, we're just suggesting it.

Well, how about that. And they say the web isn't educational But "drift racing" doesn't exist .. it's an oxymoron

Just FYI, making mountain runs would require a substantial re-write of LFS code in order to allow point-to-point (as opposed to circuit) stages, so I wouldn't get my hopes up I'd like to see rally stages one day though, so I suppose we want similar things there..

There's actually a simple way to make everyone happy. Just a a Monte Carlo WRC stage style circuit and problem solved for all people.

BTW, I refuse to vote because the choices aren't exactly neutral to all parties.

It doesnt have to be point to point. Make it a circut around the mountian up and down, doesnt have to be mt.everest. One side up one side down.

Then you'd just have a whole new circuit, which would be fine with me :up:

Quote from Blowtus :

NFS does racing too, why bother with LFS?

NFS doesn't do "racing". Read my post again. driving dangerously in traffic and/or backroads is not called "racing". It is called "driving dangerously in traffic and/or backroads"

m3t4l1ca, gabbicks, so quick to give thumbs up, don't you have homework to do?

As explained by m374llic4, a Monte Carlo styled tight and twisty track is exactly what will satisfied both serious rally racers and drifters. As m374llic4 explianed, just make it a round the mountain track so that we still end up at the same point as ths start. Then we won't need this thread and everyone would be happy.

Quote from george_tsiros :

NFS doesn't do "racing". Read my post again. driving dangerously in traffic and/or backroads is not called "racing". It is called "driving dangerously in traffic and/or backroads"

So if it did 'racing' that would be all we'd need? The realistic physics of LFS wouldn't matter?
I think drifting is rather wankerish myself, but it's pretty easy to see that if you enjoy drifting it'd be more fun to do it realistically.

To be perfectly honest with you, touge is what I am more after, not D1 point style drifting. and yes, touge is racing. D1 style drifting is not. There is a winner in touge based on speed, but drifting is applied to help around the turns in order to keep speed up.

as for george_tsiros trying to be funny and all. I am 20, have a son and have a full time job. Good try being a dick. but no, it did not work. You just sound as stupid as everyone else who blames ideas they think are dumb on "12-y-o" noobs.

why isnt there a no f***ing way choice in the poll?

maybe you should have to do homework. or should have had. or something.

"dick" ?

thank you.

Drifting as seen in those drift 'races' are just artificially induced excess yaw motion. However driting is applied for serious racing, AKA to go FAST.

Driting is a necessity to go fast on slippery surfaces such as geavel and especially snow. Now THAT'S REAL DRIFTING. Not wasting precious rubber and other resources to be burnt off on tarmac and destroying our environment for noting.

Once LFS applies true gravel and snow, no one could complain of lack of REAL drifting. To sway around like an out of control moose is just silly. But to exit corners with perfectly executed 4-wheel-drifts to maximize exit speed and use of tire grip... Now that's drifting in my book.