Where are the rules? I've never seen any posted up.

Stuff like the one-move rule from the FIA Sporting Regulations:

More than one change of direction on a straight is called weaving and is NOT permitted. This rule is stated under sporting regulation 20.3.

"20.3 More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted."

When one driver is completely ahead of another on a straight, they are permitted to make a move in one direction. This move can be of any size, within the track limits, and the move can be made as slowly or as quickly as the driver likes — they can jink suddenly to one side or they can spend an entire straight gradually shifting across the track. This rule is stated under sporting regulation 20.4

"20.4 More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. If a driver has moved off the racing line while defending their position, they may move back but must ensure there is at least one car’s width between their own car and the edge of the track."

and who owns the apex?:

It is generally accepted that the attacker must be at least halfway alongside the defender when they reach the apex to have a reasonable claim to this piece of track. Moreover, the attacker should not have achieved this position by carrying too much speed to make the corner — this method is called dive-bombing.

Taken from: https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/

In my experience, it seems there are quite a lot of players who don't know how to race properly. If they did, they would enjoy it more.

I think in LFS these rules are somewhat widely accepted: https://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Rules_of_Clean_Racing

For me it's simple in lfs i wave trying them not to catch my draft. But when they catch my draft i try to take inside next corner giving them as hard time as possible But i often suck at it to or the faster guys just to fast

But I also do that as clean as possible. What

Quote from RC-Maus :

For me it's simple in lfs i wave trying them not to catch my draft.

Imo its still defending and should be prohibited on racing servers.

Quote from RC-Maus :

For me it's simple in lfs i wave trying them not to catch my draft.

You're tracking a longer line and you're putting cornering friction on your tyres which both rob you of speed, making it easier for the following car to catch and pass you.

While it may not be as apparent in GTi cars, it's easy to see when racing FBMs.

On our team server we use both what is stated in the lfs manual aswell as what what isstated in the first post. These may tend to differ for the different car classes/tracks.
A select few will moan but after over 113668 laps i have seen many races ruined when not adhered to

Most servers will have the option of typing !rules to check and remember different servers may have different rules set

Quote from Gutholz :

I think in LFS these rules are somewhat widely accepted: https://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Rules_of_Clean_Racing

Thx, I knew there would be some somewhere.

Quote from Shirtkicker :

You're tracking a longer line and you're putting cornering friction on your tyres which both rob you of speed, making it easier for the following car to catch and pass you.

While it may not be as apparent in GTi cars, it's easy to see when racing FBMs.

That's true, but in FBMs and single seaters in general the draft effect is quite strong, so you lose less time to your opponent by doing that than by going straight and letting him draft.

Very important to do it cleanly though and i think you should definitely stop weaving and pick your line when the opponent gets close

Answering the question : The LFS Wiki of Clean driving is more than sufficient. Just that not many bother to read it at all.

On weaving though, I'll have to agree with Shirtkicker. Excessive weaving slows you down to an extent, be it marginal or a lot. I'd rather keep straight and defend into the corner rather than look like an arse breaking the draft.
For me, if I *were* to be aggressive, I wouldn't go for weaving. I'll normally see the car pulling alongside me. If he's on the inside line for the corner, I squeeze him right to the edge of the inside of the track, and at the last possible moment jink to the racing line and brake. This is evident on the long back straight in Blackwood, put the squeeze as you approach the end of the straight, and jink to the left to take the corner. This forces the opponent to either brake late, lockup and run straight on, or, forces him to back out early.

Although it's kinda dirty to others.. legal.. but very aggressive. Only recommended if you're fighting hard for a championship/burrito/a internship - you get the point.

But yup, in short - LFS wiki for rules, and nono for weaving on straights. That's my take, tulla

Quote from Shirtkicker :

You're tracking a longer line and you're putting cornering friction on your tyres which both rob you of speed, making it easier for the following car to catch and pass you.

While it may not be as apparent in GTi cars, it's easy to see when racing FBMs.

I know mate i don't wave much just try them not catch my draft

But when i make mistake i go out the way no thinking on blocking them maybe go out race

Quote from MicroSpecV :

Answering the question : The LFS Wiki of Clean driving is more than sufficient. Just that not many bother to read it at all.

On weaving though, I'll have to agree with Shirtkicker. Excessive weaving slows you down to an extent, be it marginal or a lot. I'd rather keep straight and defend into the corner rather than look like an arse breaking the draft.
For me, if I *were* to be aggressive, I wouldn't go for weaving. I'll normally see the car pulling alongside me. If he's on the inside line for the corner, I squeeze him right to the edge of the inside of the track, and at the last possible moment jink to the racing line and brake. This is evident on the long back straight in Blackwood, put the squeeze as you approach the end of the straight, and jink to the left to take the corner. This forces the opponent to either brake late, lockup and run straight on, or, forces him to back out early.

Although it's kinda dirty to others.. legal.. but very aggressive. Only recommended if you're fighting hard for a championship/burrito/a internship - you get the point.

But yup, in short - LFS wiki for rules, and nono for weaving on straights. That's my take, tulla

O-2: The car on the outside has the right to outside room all the way through the corner – right up to the exit point. That car should not be squeezed against the outside towards the exit point.
O-3: The car on the inside has the right to inside room all the way through the corner - right up to the exit point. That car should not be squeezed against the inside towards the apex area.

Quote from bishtop :

O-2: The car on the outside has the right to outside room all the way through the corner – right up to the exit point. That car should not be squeezed against the outside towards the exit point.
O-3: The car on the inside has the right to inside room all the way through the corner - right up to the exit point. That car should not be squeezed against the inside towards the apex area.

Yes but this regulation dictates when going through the corner, not the straight/corner before it.
In short it means if the car is beside you as you both go through the corner you must give him enough room to maintain side by side and exit the corner safely - i.e no shoving wide like Magnussen on Hulkenberg at Hungary.
What I'm speaking of is happening before the corner starts bish

I squeeze him right to the edge of the inside of the track, and at the last possible moment jink to the racing line and brake. This is evident on the long back straight in Blackwood, put the squeeze as you approach the end of the straight, and jink to the left to take the corner. This forces the opponent to either brake late, lockup and run straight on, or, forces him to back out early.

I was on about this bit which is on at least is part entry of the corner

Quote from bishtop :

O-2: The car on the outside has the right to outside room all the way through the corner – right up to the exit point. That car should not be squeezed against the outside towards the exit point.
O-3: The car on the inside has the right to inside room all the way through the corner - right up to the exit point. That car should not be squeezed against the inside towards the apex area.

0-2 is just nonsense. Where did you find that?

Edit: unless O is for oval racing

No, O for Overtaking - from the LFS Clean Racing manual

It runs counter to a lot of IRL rules, but my guess is it's there to both encourage sportsmanlike race tactics and also to prevent potential problems with lag contact.

If it's a race and not a demonstration event, and both drivers want to win, then encouraging side by side racing all the way to corner exit, in any given corner, is not going to reduce contact.

I find that bizarre to be honest. If I don't squeeze the car inside at the apex the whole width is mine? Even if the car inside has a 90% overlap? I'll take the outside line every time!

I think maybe they've written "squeezed against the outside/inside" where they should've written "squeezed off the road/into a barrier". Squeezing, to me, means leaving only one car width for the car you're squeezing:-
forcing them to a particular part of the track as bishtop describes above.

Squeezing's perfectly legit, whereas those rules seem to me to be trying to describe forcing people off the road, which is not.

It's not forcing anyone off the road.

"Crowding" towards the edge of the track on a straight, or deviation from a normal line to force someone off in a corner is totally wrong.

In normal practice, in a corner things are a little different and a car on the inside and level can attack the corner exit as he wishes. He/she can follow the racing line and if that line leads their car to the very edge of the track, it is the car on the outside's responsibility to not be there, or to be there at their own risk.

No, that's just silly. If you're level - inside, outside or down the straight - you have to share the track.

Getting level is only the first half of a pass. If you want all the track, you need to complete the second half too and get clear.

No.
And people not understanding that sometimes you have to concede the corner is a big cause of conflicts.

"You have to leave room"
"No, you needed to make room"
"I was alongside"
"I was ahead and inside, you hit my rear quarter at the exit"
"You pushed me onto the grass"
"No, you shouldn't have put yourself in that position"
etc etc etc

This quaint notion of side by side holding hands is just silly. People don't defend and then complain about a legitimate controlled overtake on the inside because they think they can just drive around the outside all the time without a care in the world.

Participate in, or at least watch, some actual motor racing.

I've seen plenty of side-by-side-for-multiple-corners in actual racing, and plenty of overtaking around the outside of a corner... those cars were obviously not following your rules.

@bish
O-2: The car on the outside has the right to outside room all the way through the corner – right up to the exit point. That car should not be squeezed against the outside towards the exit point.
O-3: The car on the inside has the right to inside room all the way through the corner - right up to the exit point. That car should not be squeezed against the inside towards the apex area.
No where does it state that the car cannot be squeezed on the entry point. Only on corner, and exit of the corner..?

And no no, I was referring to something like below :



Where you hold the overtaking driver as far inside as you can until the very last moment, then jink back to the racing line - the overtaking driver will either lock up and overshoot, or brake early and back out.
I'm talking about whether this is allowed in racing, not when both cars are already in the corner; that's a different story and yes you cannot squeeze a car out mid-corner, obviously.

And to everyone, here's a 101 on clean defending :

Quote from Racon :

I've seen plenty of side-by-side-for-multiple-corners in actual racing, and plenty of overtaking around the outside of a corner... those cars were obviously not following your rules.

Not my rules. And they are actually safer than your interpretation of them, but that's by the by.

If you actually read what I wrote, you'll notice it does not preclude the things you mention.