hi i'am kinda new here and i have a little question, iam not very good at this game i admit that but as i drive more and more i become a little bit better.
but the only car i can drive without spinning out of control is the first car of the demo version (gti?) but i would like to try the third car (turbo?)
now my question is is there a setup that lets the turbo handle like the gti? and reduces the spinning?

thanks for your time.

oh btw, i like making skins for cars but do costumized skins show up in the demo servers?

Skins don't show on demo servers and most sets can be found on team inferno's web site.
Welcome....

XRT Turbo is a more powerful car with RWD, you can't make it drive like a FWD car with less power... Just learn to drive, it shouldn't be too hard to drive with the default "Race_s" setup. Or try the so called "Easy Race" setups: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=279

And don't forget to take into account that they are to very different cars. One is a front wheel drive mini replica and the other is a RWD, front engined, turboed bugger to try and drive fast. You can't use the same techniques driving a FWD as you would use in a RWD car. Completly differenct dynamics involved. And that my friend is the the beauty of LFS.

But, a few pointers to get a RWD drive car to handle better. (I come from a mousing perspective so if you wheel then you could disregard some of them more technical aspects)

Firstly, handling. Slow in, fast out. You can't chuck a RWD car around like you can a FWD. The engine is in the front so all the wieght is at the front. The driven wheels need all the help they can get to keep traction so keep it steady. 'Feel' the car and the limit of traction you can't just put the pedal to the metal in a RWD. You need to ease the throttle and ease the car around the corners. You'll soon get it right and you'll appreaciate the driving experiance all the more for it. Prehaps if you mention whether you are a mouser or not I will help you get the best out of your driving if you use a mouse. Obvioulsy a pedal and wheel setup is less critical of throttle input.

Secondly, setup. (Obviously with a mouse you need to take other things into consideration. Again, let us now what control method you are using and we can get more in depth depending on what.) To give yourself a more stable setup is the aim here. As a beginner you want a forgiving, easy to drive set untill you get more confident and able to control RWD. As mentioned have a look at the Inferno sets (There are other's around too. I think Bob does some easy drive sets) but keep away fom the WR sets. They might seem appealing but trust me you will not be able to drive them. They have been tailor made by the WR holders and their styles and skill levels differ greatly from your own. Instead just keep it simple. I would really reccommend that you take some time to learn how to setup your own car. It may feel you don't have the time and that you'd rather be racing but setting up is as much a part of LFS as racing is. You will probable find that the better you get the more you will wan't to set up your own vehicles anyway. That way you can tailor your car to your driving. Also, by learning about how a car handles you can adjust to a RWD car easier because you understand why it handles the way it does. You should learn about wieght transfer, grip levels, dampening, ARB's and all that jazz. Because LFS really will reward you for finding out, LFS really is that good.

But you probable won't want to do that, you just want to be out there racing. So a quick fire checklist for you to look at in your setup. Actually scrap that, I need to know if you mouse or not.

Tell me that and I'll help some more.

As a first step you could try out the XR GT, to learn the difference in handling between FWD and RWD. The XRG has less power than the XRT, so you're less likely to spin.

Unfortunately, there is very little online racing to be had in the XRG. With few exceptions, demo servers either accept only the XFG, or accept all 3 cars (so you'll be blown away by XRTs).

as a reply to funnybear, i'am no wheel and no mouse driver.. i drive with a keyboard using WASD, i'am no race game fanatic so iam not purchasing a wheel for one game, but lfs is just soo different (in a really good way) i like the realism and the fact that its a challange just to PLAY the game, Why the setup then you ask? well.. all new players deserve an easy mode :-p..

Quote from Daveigus :

i drive with a keyboard using WASD

have you tried using the mouse? its soooo much easier and quicker (at least for me) once you get used to it

Quote from Daveigus :

as a reply to funnybear, i'am no wheel and no mouse driver.. i drive with a keyboard using WASD, i'am no race game fanatic so iam not purchasing a wheel for one game, but lfs is just soo different (in a really good way) i like the realism and the fact that its a challange just to PLAY the game, Why the setup then you ask? well.. all new players deserve an easy mode :-p..

As mentioned mate, the keyboard is not going to give best control inputs for you to handle a higher powered rear wheel drive car. Espeacially if you are considereing getting S2 and you move onto bigger and faster cars. (Which everyone will thouroughly recommend). If you have no intention of buying a wheel (Which is fair enough, there are some very fast mousers out there so a wheel is not the be all and end all) then you really should learn to use the mouse. My favoured setup was mouse buttons for acc. and decell. and the mouse for steer which left my left hand free for gear changes and any keyboard stuff that needed doing.

It will take a bit of getting used to but it really is worth the effort if you want to be able to compete with the fast guys. Let us know if you are going to make the change because there are a number of things you can do that will make mousing easier.

(If we don't get back to you if you reply and start using the mouse it's a good idea to reduce your windows mouse speed and take off any acc. in the settings. LFS takes it's mouse speed from windows, it will help no end by slowing everything down somewhat if you adjust in windows first then work things out in LFS.)

Another thing to try when getting used to the more powerful RWDs is on the Gear Ratio setup, lower the Power % (using Clutch Pack LSD). This'll mean less power going to your wheels so you won't accelerate so fast, but it might be enough to stop you burning out on the corners

I used to be a keyboard driver, and although my wheel is just a budget job, it's still way better. I won't be going back!

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Another thing to try when getting used to the more powerful RWDs is on the Gear Ratio setup, lower the Power % (using Clutch Pack LSD). This'll mean less power going to your wheels so you won't accelerate so fast, but it might be enough to stop you burning out on the corners

I used to be a keyboard driver, and although my wheel is just a budget job, it's still way better. I won't be going back!

Actually reducing the power locking on a clutch pack diff will allow the inside wheel to spin up in corners more. This has the effect of reducing the power going to the outside wheel as the power takes the path of least resistance. It doesn't reduce the power going to both wheels.

Because the outside wheel is giving you the most grip, this makes the car easier to handle and less likely to step out under power.