I turned my FFB up to 200, and the wheel wobbles violently about 5 degrees left and right.
I was casually* driving around fern bad gold reverse the otherday to burn off some stress...and i say smoke puffs in my rear view mirrordriving at 40 mph in a straight line 
.I've never seen this up untill the new patch(or is it my crappy pc?
*casually - "throwing the car violently around the corner FOR FUN
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.I've never seen this up untill the new patch(or is it my crappy pc? *casually - "throwing the car violently around the corner FOR FUN
"No, this is in LFS since we have overheating tyres. The cause for this is that you probably locked your brakes sometime beforehand, and then everytime one of the overheated tyre section touches the road, a little smoke puff emerges. 
set ff_steps to 256 hotspot a tyre and then lock that tyre under load and you will feel the flatspot
btw isnt a flatspot basically the same as a bump in the road so angular forces on the wheel from the fs would be though bumpsteer which you try to eliminate when designing a suspension ?
you mean challenging
and a beemer doesnt give you any indication as to when it will fail ... with an italian car you can always tell what condition its in ... in nothing rattles or squeeks or generally does a noise it shouldnt do your fiats dead
btw isnt a flatspot basically the same as a bump in the road so angular forces on the wheel from the fs would be though bumpsteer which you try to eliminate when designing a suspension ?
you mean challenging
and a beemer doesnt give you any indication as to when it will fail ... with an italian car you can always tell what condition its in ... in nothing rattles or squeeks or generally does a noise it shouldnt do your fiats dead
Anyone got a solution for my problem?
Yes - turn down your FFB settings to a sensible level 
wait until ffb wheels are as fast as the inputs they get from lfs
no seriously there is none its a problem with ffb technology not with lfs
i do not "intentionally flatspot the crap out of my tires". I deliberately locked the 4+ year old tires i had on my car at that time in order to see how the car will behave. You present it as if it is a habit of mine, to create flatspots on the tires. It is not so. Furthermore, i did not "make an insanely poor clutchless shift". While the effect was such, the intention was not that. I just forced the 3rd gear in.
You say that you won't let me wash your car? Where did you see me ask to wash your car? What other completely irrelevant actions are you going to classify into those that you will, or not, allow me to do, without me ever asking to do?
i was offended, especialy by the "no offense" comment. If you say things that are wrong and/or unasked for, there is nothing that the "no offense" comment can do.
- no offense, but you suck... O_O
- ???
well... beemers do have this SERVICE! light on the dash... which is always on
fiat panda. bought 1987? 85? still lives. Won't die. If you are a competent driver, it is a magnificent car.
magnificent ? i wouldnt go _that_ far but fiats are better than their reputation
absolutely NOT! i agree that old panda was low maintenance, long duration car [blasfemy start]like the good old 500[blasphemy off] but that was for its extreme simplicity (engineringly speaking, it was ridiculous by technical point of view), said that, all car after panda are: (1) instrument of death, (2) extremely high maintenance, (3) extremely uncomfortable, (4) ridiculous performance, and many other bad things...
i am italian, i am proud to be italian and i love my country for many reasons, but fiat is one thing that as an italian i am ashamed of...
i drove some fiat and i know by my friends' experience, i know quite well fiat and i will never buy one.
i hate fiat...and basically for one reason: they are instrument of death and should be banned from streets, fiat are the most dangerous cars and besides from any other flaw, this is one i cannot accept!
so what exactly makes them all that dangerous ? crash test ratings ?
poor grip. it gives you false sense of grip then you loose all of sudden, when is wet they are too dangerous, aquaplaning start at 50kmh.
above 70kmh on any not perfecly plain tarmac (in other words everywhere...), suspensions get into resonance making you roll left/right. below 50kmh steer is too light and as speed increase it becomes too strong all of sudden. 1st, 3rd and 5th gears are always out of synch, it's not rare that you cannot put the 1st to start and you have to start in 2nd (it happened me once in a uphill...
). at the minimum crash they bend innerwise too much and too easily putting always life at serious risk...brakes are too crisp as clutch is (the later is not dangerous, but it's ridiculous).
on high end models, abs will fail when you will need it the most...
they have blind spots where you need the most, you join a road from a ramp always blindly, as when getting into a cross, parking is much harder too...
basically the worst thing is how they loose grip, you cannot feel or predict where the limit is and the limit is very low and after you loose it, hardly you will control the car, on wet everything is at n-th power
i cant really confirm most of this ... ive been driving a 1st gen punto most of the time since i got my drivers license and its never done anything i hadnt fully expected it to do neither at the limit nor below
and talking about blind spots ... ever driven a z3 ? every right hand corner i went round all i could see was the rear view mirror ... now THAT is a severe blind spot
and all bmws ive driven so far have that gigantic rvm exactly where it shouldnt be
certainly cars like the 3 series we had or the 190e of a friend handle a lot better than a little hatchback but that goes for all hatchbacks
and with both these cars for either the cost or the stress involved in owning them (the 190e is on its second engine already and he still owes me money for it) as a car to live with every day id rather take the punto as long as i can avoid the autobahn
and talking about blind spots ... ever driven a z3 ? every right hand corner i went round all i could see was the rear view mirror ... now THAT is a severe blind spot
and all bmws ive driven so far have that gigantic rvm exactly where it shouldnt be
certainly cars like the 3 series we had or the 190e of a friend handle a lot better than a little hatchback but that goes for all hatchbacks
and with both these cars for either the cost or the stress involved in owning them (the 190e is on its second engine already and he still owes me money for it) as a car to live with every day id rather take the punto as long as i can avoid the autobahn
Most dangerous car I've ever driven is the Jeep Wrangler. But not for you - for the rest of the cars, you could simply run over them if you wanted
Flipping over isn't a problem either - it has a built in rollcage.
But on the more serious side: I can't tell much about FIATs, because the only one I've driven is he Panda, and this one is pretty indestructible. And quite safe as you can't get fast enough that anything happens. On the other side, the worst car I've ever driven is the Renault Kangoo of my mother. Well, its good point is, it has some storage space. But that's it. You get no feedback at all from anything. The brakes are basically a switch. You don't feel anything from the clutch. The throttle responds ~1sec too late (pushing the pedal and lifting off). Well, I didn't hear about the ABS failing, but that'll come too...
Flipping over isn't a problem either - it has a built in rollcage.
But on the more serious side: I can't tell much about FIATs, because the only one I've driven is he Panda, and this one is pretty indestructible. And quite safe as you can't get fast enough that anything happens. On the other side, the worst car I've ever driven is the Renault Kangoo of my mother. Well, its good point is, it has some storage space. But that's it. You get no feedback at all from anything. The brakes are basically a switch. You don't feel anything from the clutch. The throttle responds ~1sec too late (pushing the pedal and lifting off). Well, I didn't hear about the ABS failing, but that'll come too...
@shotglass
at the end of september i will have a Z4 for a couple of days, but i'm sure blind spots will not be a problem...with roof open!!!
jokes aside, don't take bmw for comparison it wouldn't be fair, but take a simple volkswagen, even a polo and compare it to a punto or a stilo, those car are supposed to be of the same class and price (polo is much cheaper than stilo and new punto btw...), the point is polo is cheaper and far of another galaxy! just personal experience with polo with intense heavy rain aquaplaning start at 140kmh, with punto at 50kmh even with low rain, on dry conditions either, punto just goes straight on corners, while polo have precise and safe handling at any speed and any kind of corner i could a lot of personal stories about that...and i'm only talking about serious danger, let's not mention all the other things...
@herki
dont' forget the old toyota samurai...i'd call it a "war machine"!
about abs i have two experience from my friends and having abs preventing you from braking isn't a good thing...one of the two guys destroyed the nose of his almost brand new fiat coupé... do you wanna know the worst thing about that? ...i was the passenger! 
the two of you should know how are italian car spots: they don't talk about advantages or tech features (hard to find)...there was a spot that judged our italians guilty of gifting money to gernam car manufactures, the spot said almost the following:"don't be stupid to give money to those germans, you are the sole responsible for our italian economy to go down and you force us to fire many fathers with many child to maintain, moreover german cars are crap, buy our beautiful fiat!!!" those things make me feel ashamed...a car manufacturer that base his marketing on that amon all other things have clearly no argument in favour of his cars...
at the end of september i will have a Z4 for a couple of days, but i'm sure blind spots will not be a problem...with roof open!!!
jokes aside, don't take bmw for comparison it wouldn't be fair, but take a simple volkswagen, even a polo and compare it to a punto or a stilo, those car are supposed to be of the same class and price (polo is much cheaper than stilo and new punto btw...), the point is polo is cheaper and far of another galaxy! just personal experience with polo with intense heavy rain aquaplaning start at 140kmh, with punto at 50kmh even with low rain, on dry conditions either, punto just goes straight on corners, while polo have precise and safe handling at any speed and any kind of corner i could a lot of personal stories about that...and i'm only talking about serious danger, let's not mention all the other things...
@herki
dont' forget the old toyota samurai...i'd call it a "war machine"!
about abs i have two experience from my friends and having abs preventing you from braking isn't a good thing...one of the two guys destroyed the nose of his almost brand new fiat coupé...
do you wanna know the worst thing about that? ...i was the passenger! the two of you should know how are italian car spots: they don't talk about advantages or tech features (hard to find)...there was a spot that judged our italians guilty of gifting money to gernam car manufactures, the spot said almost the following:"don't be stupid to give money to those germans, you are the sole responsible for our italian economy to go down and you force us to fire many fathers with many child to maintain, moreover german cars are crap, buy our beautiful fiat!!!"
those things make me feel ashamed...a car manufacturer that base his marketing on that amon all other things have clearly no argument in favour of his cars...if youre short as italians are you can easily peer at the road underneath the mirror ^^
after all bmws are built for the short legged people at the skirts of the alps (bad translation for kurzgwadeltes volk am rande der alpen)
i havent ever driven a polo but just today i had some of the worst rain ive seen yet and ive always felt fully in control of the punto no aquaplaning whatsoever
i wouldnt by one of these anyway ... ive watched a mechanic dismount the entire engine just to tighten the fan belt on a coupe
almost every accident i was in, i was the passenger, just saying at the last possible moment "what are you doing ?!". I had just one by myself, but that was due to the really bad adjusted headlight of the Opel/Vauxhaul SUV in front of me, which blinded me, so that I didn't see that the car in front of me stopped
(~20km/h)um... the thread has gone haywire, but since i am the thread starter and i do not mind changing the subject, i might as well continue. It is inevitable that a discussion will go off tangent at some point.
the fiat panda, because of its simplicity is a very very reliable car and in the cases where it will need service it is so simple that it is cheap and simple.
you do not buy this car to go fast or feel the road. you buy this car because it is undying. Something like old ladas (which were fiat copies or something).
aquaplanning at 50kph is because of the tyre and nothing else.
pandas own. they just won't go fast, but that is not their purpose. (i wonder... if someone started tweaking it... with better suspension and chassis reinforcements...?)
to the guy who insists that fiats are death machines... dude... no...
the fiat panda, because of its simplicity is a very very reliable car and in the cases where it will need service it is so simple that it is cheap and simple.
you do not buy this car to go fast or feel the road. you buy this car because it is undying. Something like old ladas (which were fiat copies or something).
aquaplanning at 50kph is because of the tyre and nothing else.
pandas own. they just won't go fast, but that is not their purpose. (i wonder... if someone started tweaking it... with better suspension and chassis reinforcements...?)
to the guy who insists that fiats are death machines... dude... no...
Fiats ARE death machines in Italy. Have you seen the way people drive? It's not the cars fault, its the fault of the fact that about 25 people in Italy know how to drive, the rest just pretend. And go as fast as possible EVERYWHERE.
FIATs are driven so fast, because most of the people who own one, think becuase fiat owns ferrari, fiat have to be ferraris too. and they have to be driven like a ferrari 
i already said that the old panda has its reason to exist and is low maintenance (a very bad project for "fiat company", you know car companies live with maintenance parts...).
acquaplaning at 50kmh with new tyres for fiat punto is because of crappy suspensions just as on not plain asphalt on new punto, suspensions get in resonance rolling left and right...this is a new "feature"...old punto didnt have it...
fiat cant go any fast...you acn barely touch 120kmh and at that speed everything seem to fall in pieces...i had to drive a new punto last month and it was SCARY!
i wish you were right about italians, unfortunately the 99% is an idiot who stop at green light and he put himself at the exact middle of the cross when is red, the same idiots who go 30kmh at the passing lane at exact synch with people on regular lane, making traffic 10 times worse...
like i said, fiat cannot go any fast...
well look at that ... trist loves stereotypes as much as i do
aquaplaning is a tyre issue suspensions have got almost nothing to do with it
im starting to wonder if youre actually talking about aquaplaning or bad wet grip
its been a while since ive been to itally but the last time ive been there the roads werent anything as bad as you make them sound ... at least on german roads a punto feels nicely controllable up to about 140 ... anything faster than that and you can feel the springs building up to their resonance and how underdamped it really is
severe flatspots
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