!!First of all, I would be happy if the players who would make racist statements or joke about such an issue would approach this issue with respect.!!

Hello everyone,

I want to draw attention to the struggles many young gamers in Turkey face when trying to purchase Live for Speed. Currently, the game is priced at 18 pounds(edit), which, when converted to Turkish lira, exceeds the daily minimum wage. This makes it difficult for many potential players to afford the game.

From my observations, a lot of players are resorting to renting game accounts and grinding for in-game currency to convert it into real money, all in an effort to buy the game. This situation not only wastes time but also leads to unfair profit opportunities for some users. It’s quite frustrating.

I believe that if the developers could consider offering discounts or special pricing for gamers in Turkey periodically, it would greatly help players with their budgets and allow the game to reach a wider audience. Many players could then access the game without having to save excessively.

I hope this request is taken into consideration, and that Live for Speed can become more accessible in Turkey. I appreciate your support!

Thank you!

uf1

Quote from uf1 :

Currently, the game is priced at 21 pounds

Actually it's 18 pounds:



Before you compare with turkish wages,remember that LFS is being created by devs living in UK,where 18 pounds,which divided in 2 (assumed income is now divided between the 2 active devs) is below minimum hourly wage (11.44 pounds per hour) in the specific country.

I'm writing this just to point out that it will be never "fair" to compare prices and wages between different countries as the standards and costs very are different.

Quote from uf1 :

which, when converted to Turkish lira, exceeds the daily minimum wage. This makes it difficult for many potential players to afford the game.

"the daily minimum wage"... how do u want to be taken serious with this ?
many people in rich countries wont be able to afford lfs in a day, check around you. They will just try to save bit by bit to buy things.

Discrimination by money is how all capitalistic economy work.
"No money, no honey."
Get your facts updated.

Quote from turbofan :

"the daily minimum wage"... how do u want to be taken serious with this ...

My main goal is to reflect a special discount rate on the game price for at least one day or special days. Mr. Scawen has already said in an article (I say this based on my personal opinion) that he does not follow a business management style that focuses on marginal monetary benefit. In fact, the purpose of this statement is not to blame or suspect anyone. I thought a certain discount rate would be good for users who cannot save.
--> (I also infer from your statement that you don't care about people living a difficult life, you only care about your own selfish life.
Moreover, my opinion will not change. ) )

Quote from Eclipsed :

Actually it's 18 pounds...

I understood you very well, sorry for my spelling mistakes. I thought at least a small discount rate would be to our advantage.

Quote from uf1 :

--> (I also infer from your statement that you don't care about people living a difficult life, you only care about your own selfish life.

That is were ur reasoning fails.
What if I had spent most of my life below poverty level ?

Your post sounds like turkish people are the only one.
There are many, many people who live a difficult life, not only in Turkey.
And you write about sellfish perspective...

Maybe your intent is fair, but your wording is not.

Quote from turbofan :

That is were ur reasoning fails...

I apologize for the rudeness of my expressions, but there is something you do not understand. In Turkey, at least 10% discount comes to 82.33 TL. There are people who make a living with this money, I want you to at least understand that.
Even though I am aware that what I want to do is fair, as you said, I do not aim for a discount rate only for Turkey. I target all people who cannot save their money.
I apologize for the harsh language I used, that was not my intention.

Quote from uf1 :

I apologize for the rudeness of my expressions, but there is something you do not understand. In Turkey, at least 10% discount comes to 82.33 TL. There are people who make a living with this money, I want you to at least understand that.
Even though I am aware that what I want to do is fair, as you said, I do not aim for a discount rate only for Turkey. I target all people who cannot save their money.
I apologize for the harsh language I used, that was not my intention.

I emphatise with your situation, but unfortunately you or the people of Turkey aren't the only ones suffering from poverty or poor national income. I've seen LFS S1 to S3 players (who had to work for their game) from tons of underdeveloped countries such as India, Bangladesh, Iraq, Iran, Africa, Lebanon and so forth, some of which with even worse minimum wage than your country. Even Afghanistan, where a steady wage is impossible.

And I don't see them complaining about the price of a game. It's all about perspective, intent, incentive and purpose. If you live a life where everything was attainable with minimal effort, then nothing would be worthwhile, and you'll never really feel accomplishment or treasure what you have. This is nothing about profit or business model, but personal beliefs.

18 pounds for S3 license unlocks virtually 65% of the game's content. 18 pounds in most underdeveloped countries is probably a month or two of dedicated saving and hard work. If you can spend money on a PC that can run the latest FPS games, on a car, on even pet food for two cats - you probably have it in you to ration and save up over maybe a couple more months to get LFS S1 or S2. No one has just gotten a paid game without working for it thru salary at some point.

And yes, Scawen and team could run a discount or sale on the game, but at what cost? This is not an arcade or online pick-up game, if the sale price gets too low you get all kinds of user base into it (as pricing should be fair to all, hence, discount to all). I wouldn't personally want to see privilaged 9 year old kids annoying the hell out of a hard working adult gentleman from a 3rd world country, and then forcing him to give up the game - and the previous 18 pounds he spent. And hence.... theres the perspective you need to see the real, bigger picture.

I hope I've explained it enough that Scawen doesn't have to add another 1000 words below this reply
And sidenote to those saving up for S1-S3: You can and will get LFS license. And it'll feel all so rewarding, once that moment comes.

Quote from MicroSpecV :

I emphatise with your situation, but unfortunately you or the people of Turkey...

I understand what you’re trying to convey very well. However, I perceive your effort to keep the game price nominal to prevent certain groups from joining as a selfish attitude. You enjoy playing your game, connecting with others, and finding a piece of yourself in it, which I can understand. But the undeniable truth is that because of this embracing behavior, people from other third-world countries cannot share the same joy as you do.

If you don’t want others to disturb you, you can play single-player; this complaint isn’t a valid reason. You also mention that people in countries like Bangladesh and Iran are in the same situation, and I agree with you—this issue applies not only to Turkish citizens but also to players from other countries. Moreover, even a 10% or 20% discount can represent a significant amount when viewed in terms of currency exchange. Look at the locations of the current players online in LFS, and you’ll understand what I mean. We are one of the nations that play Live For Speed the most, and we want to be recognized.
and just look this map and say something https://www.lfsworld.net/worldmap/

I mean, you already have a 50% discount due to regional pricing as is, that wasn't always a thing either (2016-17 if memory serves me right)

Isn't LFS already sold at a discount in Turkey? When I first started playing the game, Pete told me that the game was sold at a discount in Turkey.

In my Discord server, players from some different countries were surprised when they heard the price in Turkey. We even received some offers and reported it.

It is natural for a person who is new to the game to find this price really strange. It's not a price that appeals to everyone. That's what developers are aiming for anyway. Because the conditions require it. Nobody wants this project to end one day.

Maybe we're being too hard on the developers, but we're really curious. Please give some information about the new studies. We look forward to new reports.

Quote from RealistAdam :

Isn't LFS already sold at a discount in Turkey? When I first started playing the game, Pete told me that the game was sold at a discount in Turkey.

In my Discord server, players from some different countries were surprised when they heard the price in Turkey. We even received some offers and reported it.

It is natural for a person who is new to the game to find this price really strange. It's not a price that appeals to everyone. That's what developers are aiming for anyway. Because the conditions require it. Nobody wants this project to end one day.

Maybe we're being too hard on the developers, but we're really curious. Please give some information about the new studies. We look forward to new reports.

Yeah this... in 2016 it was no where near 18 pounds for S3. I believe the 2017 price adjustment was also for the same reason OP stated. Plus... Scawen didn't adjust those 18 pounds for inflation from 2017 to 2014, which means the 18 pounds now would be more like 14 pounds in 2017.

So... if theres another discount it'll not be by much I'm guessing.