A dirt square sounds awesome to be honest.
A dirt square sounds awesome to be honest.
hate to say, but feels like some of the AS corners lost character, AS2 chicane, the right/left before the twisty section of long AS layouts...
obviously hard to say now without driving them
I think that is harsh, this definitely looks more like something that would exist in real life and I like that of a simulator. I didn't enjoy the original AS2 chicane so much anyway. The only change that I would need to be convinced of is the corner at the far end of the GP circuit, it doesn't look like it fits with the rest of the circuit. But as you said, it's hard to say without driving it.
And in future, there will be no straights longer than 400 meters.
I would tend to agree with both your points.
The current AS2 second chicane tempts you in two wide, only to throw you out onto the grass if you're still two wide at the apex, followed by the armco if you're driving AS2R and over a huge grassy jump after that. The alterations we see in the remodelled chicane should stop that happening so often. The first chicane has its problems too with people being far too brazen, so I like the look of these calming measures.
The far hairpin on the GP/GT/North circuit becoming two separate apexes needs a drive before we can determine whether the original flow of the circuit is changed to the point where it impacts the enjoyment of the lap. Either way, you're right, it doesn't appear to fit the rest of the track.
The different coloured tarmac is a nice touch, you can see other interesting changes to the corkscrew section and the GP/GT entry into the corkscrew section to slow cars down as well as the final sweeper which is tighter akin to the infield at Westhill. GP/GT T1 is also a huge change, to make it much more like the Monza parabolica except with less run-off before you meet a tyre wall after the apex. Looking forward to driving it.
They seem like actual corners that you could setup an overtake with rather than just full send through.
Yep, that is the goal with most of the corner revisions.
I understand it will be a slight change to the flow of a lap, but let's try them first and I'll see how much hate mail I get afterwards!
We can't try them yet!
You may also receive some repair bills from people crashing in the right hander after the bridge in KY3...
More seriously though, I'm looking forward to trying those changes, and wondering how things will turn out for Aston layouts coming from the Club or Grand Touring configurations and turning left back to the north (Cadet or North reversed configs, leading to the climbing chicane), since it's now a tighter left into a right and a very tight left.
I can see it already the left hander end of the oval section on KY3 will become the deadliest turn in LFS history
Is it actual character or is it just a nostalgic bias you're expressing? Better to first test rather than making assumptions without actually driving the revised versions beforehand.
I see what you're getting at, but it's the former.
When you drive the to-be double apex corner before the twisty section, you'll notice it's a bit awkward to hit right with its camber, radius and elevation change, the new version kinda looks a bit boring compared to that.
Similar with the AS2 chicane which especially in reverse direction is a corner that i feel is a nice challenge.
However i think the goal of eliminating 'close your eyes and pray' corners is a good one, however iconic the FE chicanes are i'm looking forward to them getting some of that treatment, hotlapping FE2 is truly a miserable experience.
Anyway, even if these particular changes might not be to my taste, i still look forward to driving these updated tracks and agree that any judgment is better saved until then
Download link ?
I will divebomb you there. <3
I think the new tracks look amazing. Great job from Eric.
Look really promising imho, can we expected more about object in the future?
We know new or possible new one with this picture, did some more are coming?
Thank for the hard work, we all love to see where the game goes
We know new or possible new one with this picture, did some more are coming?
Thank for the hard work, we all love to see where the game goes
This is really awesome, thanks for the update info.
My deep hope is that with improved environments you would make as many official configurations as possible. Official configurations (e.g so1-so25) are always better than open layout tracks.
And my last wish, please include Old Westhill as extra content, no matter how bad graphics it has compared to new ones. We all love it, and when it comes as extra content, it is always a bonus to every one in our community.
Please and thank you!
My deep hope is that with improved environments you would make as many official configurations as possible. Official configurations (e.g so1-so25) are always better than open layout tracks.
And my last wish, please include Old Westhill as extra content, no matter how bad graphics it has compared to new ones. We all love it, and when it comes as extra content, it is always a bonus to every one in our community.
Please and thank you!
After looking those pictures... My comment: amazing.
I'm wondering if the future new version - coming with those big track updates - will feature the lessons being updated?
I'm wondering if the future new version - coming with those big track updates - will feature the lessons being updated?
Hope with the New graphic Update it wont affect for Low end PC users, Like making lfs running slower
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LFS has always been pretty well optimized. If you can't run LFS then quite frankly it's the users fault, not the devs.
Let's hope it will affect them, time to have LFS competing again modern titles with crazy budgets on graphics ! Optimization is indeed a key LFS is holding, but it is not going to work if the target spec is "run full 4K 90Hz with a Celeron Coppermine without even needing a graphic board".
there's a difference between having a game run and hoping extreme results from a trash pc.
as for performance, shouldn't impact too much. I've read somewhere that LFS was converted to DX11 around 2020 for graphics update. The difference between DX9 and 11 performance wise isn't really anything critical. (unless you're running a 2010 pentium on integrated graphics, at this point, even a gt710 or gt1030 would help benefit with performance, yes, even on a pentium or celeron)
as for performance, shouldn't impact too much. I've read somewhere that LFS was converted to DX11 around 2020 for graphics update. The difference between DX9 and 11 performance wise isn't really anything critical. (unless you're running a 2010 pentium on integrated graphics, at this point, even a gt710 or gt1030 would help benefit with performance, yes, even on a pentium or celeron)
The bar of whats being called a trash computer will be different at the time of release. Half the gaming world freaked out about the system requirements of Far Cry 2 in 2008. You can now play it on mobile phone. I recommend to focus on real problems not artificial ones.
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stop, we low end pc users also need to enjoy lfs, the only reason we enjoy lfs because of the splendid optimisations, otherwise we cant play any other simulator, stop being selfish
At a certain point, your "low end PC" becomes "obsolete PC". It's impossible to want LFS (or any sim) to progress and improve without eventually saying goodbye to certain PCs.
Like if your PC's GPU doesn't support DX11, that PC is obsolete. DX11 was released nearly 15 years ago for Microsoft Vista. We've gone through 2 good and 2 bad Microsoft OS releases since then! My 10 year old CPU (which I've upgraded twice since then) has DX12 support in the integrated GPU. I haven't tested, but I probably can run LFS on the integrated GPU at a reasonable frame rate.
I have a very old spare PC (built in 2010, i5 2500k, Nvidia GTX560Ti, 8GB RAM), the thing is so old the GPU does not support Vulkan (but does support DX11), it struggles with basic multitasking and eats through its RAM, even on Linux. Well guess what, LFS runs fine even on that hardware (at least in single player with 20 AI, I never tried multiplayer on that PC). Even a 500€ laptop you can buy today would run better, we can't cling to obsolete hardware and expect software to not take advantage of more recent technology.
If your PC is old but supports DX11, I would even expect performance to be better on the new LFS graphics, or at least very similar, as multi-threading means the CPU should use more cores and not be limited by single-core speed; yes the GPU will be working more, but DX11 optimisations over DX9 should help, so unless you're already GPU-bound, you shouldn't see a significant drop in FPS.
And to add to gu3st's point: I built my current PC in January 2023, it is pretty beefy, and yes, LFS runs better on the CPU's integrated GPU than it does on my very old PC.
If your PC is old but supports DX11, I would even expect performance to be better on the new LFS graphics, or at least very similar, as multi-threading means the CPU should use more cores and not be limited by single-core speed; yes the GPU will be working more, but DX11 optimisations over DX9 should help, so unless you're already GPU-bound, you shouldn't see a significant drop in FPS.
And to add to gu3st's point: I built my current PC in January 2023, it is pretty beefy, and yes, LFS runs better on the CPU's integrated GPU than it does on my very old PC.
No need to buy a laptop if you don't need a PC everywhere you go, a 300€ desktop will have better performance than a 500€ laptop. And if you're in a cheap market country, 500€ gets you a 4060, 16gb ram, ryzen 5 5500 or similar.
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