Yo, I found out that almost 50% of the ppl I meet here say "life for speed" .. bleh

Dunno why

i guess no native english speaker can see the point of this thread
me neither

anyway, like OPK said, many people say "life for speed", even in advertisings:
http://static.4players.de/lfs- ... les/lfs_at_expert_979.jpg

I actually pronounced LFS as [lie-v] at first, but then I realised it should be "Alive for Speed" to make sense. So I figured it must be pronounced [lee-v]. But really, the resemblance of the name to NFS is unfortunate from marketing point of view.

Quote from afastest :

I don't agree on that. Not even close to Russian and Chinese in terms of difficulty. I also think that German and Italian are more diffucult with all those articles and genders.

Well, must comment on this, as I happen to know all three languages. Chinese is actually quite simple in terms of grammar, the writing system is trickier but just needs a good memory capacity to learn. I think pronunciation is the only difficult part, but a perfect pronunciation is not needed for getting oneself understood in China.
Russian has some hard grammatical things and some complicated stylistical restrictions, but all in all, not that impossible to learn.
Of course I haven't had the experience of learning my native Finnish as a foreign language, but foreigners usually are sent to mental institutions after one month of verbal root mutations, 15 nominal cases and big gap between written and spoken languages.

Ok, let's all try learn some Basque!

Good post Migmar.
And one thing about differences, you can allways spot non-native finnish speaker, their pronouncition isnt even near perfect, never, and the way they speak is different. For example there is a German teacher in our school and his been living here in Finland about 20 years but you can still hear that he isnt locals. But to compare there are Finns that have studied lots of English and you (or I dont) cant tell the difference between them and native english speaker. Like correspondances which have lived abroad, or English teachers.

This thread is getting to a weird discussion to prove that Finnish is hard language... Well it is, go drive Live for Speed!

Quote from (SaM) :

Offtopic: Err, isnt there a Scandinavean language that has verbs like this?
I is
You is
He is
We is
You is
They is

That'd be Danish

ONTOPIC:
Whenever I relate to the name of the game, is just say LFS.
If I was to say the full name though Live like "living" would be the only way to go

Quote from JamesF1 :

Live for Speed is because its about Living for Speed Getting a thrill out of going fast, etc.

My favourite car is the XFR. I don't like the F1-clones in this game. So that doesn't make sense for me!

Quote from (SaM) :

Yea there are people that have no idea how to pronounce 'live' for speed, only those say live as in realtime.

Offtopic: Err, isnt there a Scandinavean language that has verbs like this?
I is
You is
He is
We is
You is
They is
I would've loved to have learnt that language back at college instead of German..

Yes, that's danish ;-)

Why does Phonetics start with a "PH"??!!??

Quote :

Not even close to Russian

Funny... Russians pride themselves in having the easiest language for foreigners to learn.

Quote from ColeusRattus :

And to the pronouncing issue: I find it kind of a waste that in austria (and obviously in germany too) the english lessons (and any other language for that matter) do focus more on written than on spoken language. This leads to some quite horrendous prounounciation problems, as noone seems to care if the words are pronounced correctly.
It nearly gives me physical ache when I hear in TS2 "Let's go to sholomance!" instead of "Let's go to sCholomance!" as I assume most WoW players did (or do) go to sChool, and not to shool after all...

And I pronounce Live for Speed just like "living".

You know that has nothing to do with not learning that much pronunciation in school? In Holland we don't get that much pronunciation... Just the basics really... Everything else is grammar (because that's the most difficult part of english for us). However... In Holland, movies and TV shows are subtitled, rather than dubbed. So everytime we watch the latest blockbuster from Hollywood we hear the correct pronunciation. Dutch also have an american accent, with some english sounds thrown in for good measure.

And just to put some of the blame on you native english speakers...
Just LOOK at what you make us try to pronounce correctly:
http://www.worsleyschool.net/socialarts/strange/strange.html

Oh, and for what it's worth: I pronounce Linux as Lee-nux, and Live For Speed as Elleffes.

I also know some Germans who say "life" and they do so because they know the word "live" from TV, and they care about neither pronouciation nor sense of the name.

rofl i wonder who put in live as in alive.. already up to 9 now

but after incognito showed that link.. i can see why
quite honestly, when i purchased S1 i thought it was live as on tv, when i put in my password and whatnot but i figured that couldnt be right cause it sounds so.. unusual

but after what incognito posted.. i wonder if some people say live as in tv because of language translations/barriers .. which seems kinda reasonable

Quote from TagForce :

Funny... Russians pride themselves in having the easiest language for foreigners to learn.

Those who do this, have never seen a foreigner to learn Russian, I'd say. Very difficult because of rich grammar. It's much easier for us to learn European languages (probably except Finnish and Hungarian), because they are quite simple. For instance, Italian for me is a piece of cake.

Quote from Migmar :

I Well, must comment on this, as I happen to know all three languages. Chinese is actually quite simple in terms of grammar, the writing system is trickier but just needs a good memory capacity to learn.

And that is what makes it difficult. Saying that this or that just requires good memory simply means: it is difficult.

Quote :

I think pronunciation is the only difficult part, but a perfect pronunciation is not needed for getting oneself understood in China.

Well, pronunciation is a part of the language, but I agree that it is not the most essential.

Quote :

Russian has some hard grammatical things and some complicated stylistical restrictions, but all in all, not that impossible to learn.

As a matter of fact there is no language which is impossible to learn.
OK, I'll tell why Russian is much more complicated than Finnish.
First, you need to learn the letters, pronuncionation could be difficult for some people, Finns for example. Reading is also a bit tricky as you don't read the way it written. Of course that doesn't mean they won't understand you. In Finnish it is so easy, you just pronounce what you read, the pressure is always on the first syllable.

Other than that, there are lots of suffixes, prefixes, soft sign, hard sign, dictionary words which you can't know how to write by simply hearing it, conjugation of words to get the endings right and plenty more . Such thing as gender doesn't even exist in Finnish.

Quote :

Of course I haven't had the experience of learning my native Finnish as a foreign language, but foreigners usually are sent to mental institutions after one month of verbal root mutations, 15 nominal cases and big gap between written and spoken languages.

In my experience foreigners in Finland manage to learn Finnish quite well. After few years they understand most of spoken language, can read, can communicate on the basic level. Foreigners coming to Russia are usually much more terrible after few years.

Finnish, while having 15 nominal cases is very logical language. Many things make sense if you think a little bit. Reading is quite easy and straightforward. No genders, not even future time, few types of words, conjugation again is quite logical.

I've read many times people say something like this on the Internet. Read this.

And those statesments about mental institutions are extremly exaggerated.

In my opinion there are a few languages harder than Finnish. Finnish would come after: Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Korean, Arabic, Hungarian which has 35 cases (forms of a nouns accoring to whether it is subject, object, genetive, etc. Found this on google), possibly German and French, and many other minor languages.

This went so off topic

I've been watching this thread for quite some time now, so I just had to say something.. :P

first, on the topic: I also pronounce Live for Speed as in living, although, since I'm feeling that my English pronouncation is not the best at the moment, I mainly just say LFS, just to avoid confusion

now, off the topic, I just want to ask all you Finns, why the heck do you compare your language with Hungarian, which is only remotely related to your language, at the same time forgetting your neighbours in South, who can understand most of your language without even learning it I mean Estonians but anyway, I mostly think that Finnish and Estonian both are a much more difficult language to learn, than other European languages or Russian for that matter.. I've studied at a school, where we had many teachers from Germany, about only half of them tried to learn Estonian, none of them really got it right ever

oh, and on the topic of Germans saying Live as Life, maybe it has something to do with the fact, that "v" in German is pronounced similar to "f" in other languages?

and something funny for you to read about Estonian being difficult, applies more or less to Finnish also I guess link

Hehe. pretty good text there.

About the changing of nouns and adjectives. It's called declination, and Polish has that too (actually lots of languages I think).

And as for the difficulties with learning a language, and "they go off and laugh uncontrollably and give high-fives to other Estonians" I feel pretty much the same way about Danish people. No offence, but they aren't really helpful Plus it's a pretty hard language to learn (there's practically no grammar, but the pronounciation makes up for that. it's CRAAZY..which makes it fun though).

Sorry for going completely offtopic

Yes...Estonian belongs to same Finno-Ugrian language family with Finnish and Hungarian, sorry for forgetting you our southern neighbors

Quote from detail :

Those who do this, have never seen a foreigner to learn Russian, I'd say. Very difficult because of rich grammar. It's much easier for us to learn European languages (probably except Finnish and Hungarian), because they are quite simple. For instance, Italian for me is a piece of cake.

Oh yeah, I tried to learn Russian a while ago to understand the songs of Taty... I can 'read' Russian now, and understand some of it. When it's spoken though, I'm completely lost. As for speaking it myself, I can say 'hi' and 'c ya later', and that's about it.

As for the rich grammar in Russian... True, but the grammar isn't really difficult. There's just a lot of it.
Even though I can't speak it, I still want to learn it eventually because I really like the sound of it. But it really is a language that you can't learn on your own. You need a native speaker to help you with it, and speak it with you.

The MOST difficult language for foreigners to learn though is dutch. I don't know why, but nobody except germans will be able to pronounce it flawlessly ever.

TagForce: by the way, the spoken language is difficult to understand partially because of our neglect to sounds - reducing unstressed vowels, and consonants that are not supported by vowels. Between us we pronounce Live for Speed as "Leef far speet".

I dunno, but I ''ve always thought it would have to be written like LIFE to be pronounced as life as well :s

Same thing with save and safe.

Quote from TagForce :

The MOST difficult language for foreigners to learn though is dutch. I don't know why, but nobody except germans will be able to pronounce it flawlessly ever.

The pronouncing is hard for foreigners, but the grammar isn't.

Dutch is a lot like German, but the pronounciation is a bit like if you'r ill or drunk... LOL
Actually you can often understand a bit of dutch language, because some words are very similar to the german ones.

@Rudi: OMG shame on you :P

The person who created this thread should hit themselves on the forhead really really hard.

I for one, think this is a good thread. Got an interesting discussion about the different languages going