Quote from Jakg :

i remember the last time someone complained about mousers being faster than wheelers they never replied...

They aren't, btw, at least if you think that with no ffb, and such a different style of input, AND with digital throttle and brake that they can be faster, then you are mad

For a long time, I was faster with mouse than I was with my wheel. If I remember correctly my FXO record was set by a mouse and I'm yet to break it with a wheel.

i think front wheel drives are better with the mouse

The whole discussion is, in my view pointless, as the devs have decided what features they are putting in the next patch.

And what about people who are physically unable to use wheels/pedals? Would you want to be in that position?

DK

Next thing we know we'll have G25 only servers all over the place. As if the current LFS community isn't already small enough.

exactally its ludicris (wrong spellin prolly)

btw, making it wheel only wont stop mousers, its not exactly hard to set your mouse up under the wheel tab.

Quote from Speed Soro :

About the second question, why there are so much WRs using mouse/kb:

there just arent

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1 - Mouse waste less energy from the player body to same number of laps he does. That is because it is lighter, and has no force feedback. Less energy waste, less tiredness, more eficience, more hours of training.

may i suggest you go jogging and work out a little more ? if your wheel tires you youre probably completely out of shape

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2 - Mouse, using just one hand and few fingers, being more next to the brain than the feet, is faster in its reactions. And using just hand and fingers, not arms, and feet. And its travell is short, minimun right/left movement...

the delay for you feet to react is what ? a few ms ... sounds to me like youre really struggling to make your point
besides youll be slower without pedals since you cant modulate your brakes and throttle with buttons half as well as you can with your feet

minimum left/right movement ? i think we should force others to use 720° too ... goodbye all momo users

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3 - Mouse/kb allows you to assume any position in your chair. Wheel/pedals obligates to maintain a right position, without variation. It is too a way to stress your body less with mouse than with wheel.

how about you buy yourself a comfortable chair ?

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4- Being lighter and faster, with no ffb and less waste, you just need to get use with it.

its still almost impossible to modulate the pedal inputs with a mouse
none of the faster cars have mouse/kb wrs ... matter of fact most dont even have a single mouser anywhere near the top 10


and besides if your running a league and cant be bothered to look at the connection list to make sure everybody is using a wheel whats the point of putting all the effort into running one in the first place ?

For those that do not understand go to RSC in the LFS section and look up keyboard related threads. A few years back you will find the fights that had a huge impact on the community over the old KB control system.

BTW, anyone that feels mouse/kb has the advantage why dont you pack up your wheel and play LFS with mouse or kb for a month and then come back and start up this thread. Adding this option now that mouse/kb are not at an advantage is not the way to go.

I am against this. I just don't see any benefit from not letting mouse/kb players play with wheel users.

Quote from geeman1 :

I just don't see any benefit from not letting mouse/kb players play with wheel users.

I see one point. Control of acceleration/brakes. It´s impossible to lift a little bit with mouse/keyb. Full throttle or no throttle, full breaks or no breaks. Also - in close racing situations - it´s not that easy to switch your line very fast with m/k. But I know some very good mouse drivers and one very good keyboard driver (barney). Another problem is that "W" also means Joystick. And that is imho even more difficult as mouse driving.

-1 for restrictions (because of my loved chase view)

Quote from Speed Soro :

.....that is a desire mine and from others.

Okay, could everyone besides Speed Soro who really wants this feature please speak up?

.....by now I just saw two posts of two people who said that they don't see this as 'a terrible idea' or that they 'would not complain', but Speed Soro seems to be backed up by a large amount of drivers.....now where are they?

CU, Sebastian

PS: I am all for options, and if a 'AllowedController' Server-Option was added sometimes in the future I would not complain too.....but there are many options that I personally consider to be more important.....

Quote from [RCG]Boosted :

what?!
thats nonsense.
...
(or better with mouse than with wheel therefore he uses a mouse).

Yes, I myself am much faster with a mouse then a wheel. Infact I'm a second away from the World Record on some tracks. Also at the LOTA tune up race, with a mouse I won that event (No TC at all even with a mouse.) So come on now. Mouse drives CAN be as fast, if not faster then wheel drives. Case in point :




Guess what I was using?

You people have to understand that this suggestion is for league races NOT regular pick up and play servers. I fully support this for this reason as it would be made optional for the server host to choose. If you want to host a race with only wheels and keep this "variable" constant, by all means I think the server owner should have this option for league races.

Quote from Woz :

BTW, anyone that feels mouse/kb has the advantage why dont you pack up your wheel and play LFS with mouse or kb for a month and then come back and start up this thread. Adding this option now that mouse/kb are not at an advantage is not the way to go.

Everyone who says kb/mouse are easier just got ripped in half!! :P I dont care if Wheels are easier or even harder, if i had a wheel i would use it. But, i got what ive got.

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Im thinking about it now, a JS would be twice as hard as the mouse IMO. Joystick good for flying games .

Quote from aoun :

Im thinking about it now, a JS would be twice as hard as the mouse IMO. Joystick good for flying games .

I was faster with joystick than with wheel I'm only just getting back to the pace I used to get with joystick after several months with a wheel.
You have very fast reactions with a joystick, only downside is hands cramp up after hours of racing

I raced alot more with a joystick though cause it was no hassle to set up for a quick race - with a wheel I cant be assed most of the time and instead if I've got an hour to spare will brouse the forum instead of going online for a quick race

Thats funny cause I was thinking about that exact thing and was going to post it, then of course through searching found this Anyways it's not that I have a thing against people using keyboard, mouse or game pad, but when I'm braking my balls having to turn this bee-atch for 20 minutes...i would just like to think maybe everyone is too People can play how they want, I just agree, because I would love to have a server, not all servers, but just like he said one that everyone is using a wheel Don't hate mouse/keyboard/game pad players

Quote from Speed Soro :

Please SCAWEN, it must be very simple to implement: a command to change the permission to the controllers type.

I mean, I'd like to type a command, something like \controllers=w, and just WHEELs be permited in the server.

It will very usefull for leagues races. There is no sense in competitors using mouse and keyboard against others using wheels.

Is that possible to implement? Is this a new or an old suggestion?

OMG fool idea.. illepall

Not so foolish to me...Something like this has to be implemented in some way and at some point, definitely. It's just a bit complicated, isn't it!

Damn, I wish I had something to suggest but I don't. Consider this a "+1" then.

Well, you can:
1. Add a rule - ONLY WHEEL DRIVERDS ALLOWED - to your league
2. Ban everybody not using wheel in from the league race (I bet that there are not many drivers using MS/KB if the rules don't allow it)

Screw all driving Aids, Keyboard, Mouse or Joystick controls. A Steering Wheel should be the only thing able to control a car in a real driving Simulation. Maybe we will reach that point in Simulations in 2007 with iRacing. Until than Arcade Racers will remain in Simulations.

my second post here.
lol

just for notice this option will never be part of lfs.
how i am so sure? easy, as i already said this will split the community pretty much into rich / poor (alot ppl like me already happy that they could affort the license) and destroy the game (fun) for sure.
even for league it doesnt make any sense!
the best would be scawen does remove the M | W | KB from the connection list, so u would never know what device any1 is using and so u cant complain about it!
this request is just as stupid as u would say ppl with less than 50 FPS arent allowed to driver on a certain server, as it is mainly a question of money how good ur pc is.
well...ive good enough of this now, maybe u understand now.

Quote from [RCG]Boosted :

the best would be scawen does remove the M | W | KB from the connection list, so u would never know what device any1 is using and so u cant

+1.

Also, it should become impossible to tell if someone is using blip/cut/autoclutch but - as a compromise - remove automatic totally.

Quote from [RCG]Boosted :

my second post here.
lol

just for notice this option will never be part of lfs.
how i am so sure? easy, as i already said this will split the community pretty much into rich / poor (alot ppl like me already happy that they could affort the license) and destroy the game (fun) for sure.
even for league it doesnt make any sense!
the best would be scawen does remove the M | W | KB from the connection list, so u would never know what device any1 is using and so u cant complain about it!
this request is just as stupid as u would say ppl with less than 50 FPS arent allowed to driver on a certain server, as it is mainly a question of money how good ur pc is.
well...ive good enough of this now, maybe u understand now.

Well Sim Racing costs money. There are Sims who have a maximum rate for Pings to have to be able to join a Server, you need a fast connection for a smooth Multiplayer experience, there are Sims where you can only join the Server if you use cockpit view only. So how can you be so sure this will never become an Option in LFS? If LFS want to grow above the Arcade Racing this feature is needed. If you play any other Sim than LFS you would now this is very much an Option that you can have in other Sims so why not LFS?

Because apparently LFS is not a Simulation to some people but just another Racing Game, thats what holds up the process of Simulations as a whole and developers will need to keep implementing driving Aids and Arcade View Options for the cant-drive-crowd.

Quote from George Kuyumji :

Screw all driving Aids, Keyboard, Mouse or Joystick controls. A Steering Wheel should be the only thing able to control a car in a real driving Simulation. Maybe we will reach that point in Simulations in 2007 with iRacing. Until than Arcade Racers will remain in Simulations.

I'm with you my steering wheel brother....anyone that enjoys this game should get one as soon as they can, or risk being labeled, well I will not say the word but come on this game deserves it more then any other, without one whats the point? I mean don't you have to feel the feedback in a track, or actually turn something, rather then just blablabla mousy mouse, or keying Mr keyboard. I can understand if you are a demo racer, but if you are going to spend money on S2 you might as well spend a little bit more, maybe twice as much for a wheel, like the one I have, which I hear isn't the greatest but man let me tell you after 15 hours straight on this game with the black momo man it makes me hurt, maybe cause i set the settings too high perhaps. It also builds muscle, so you don't have to go to the gym.......hmmmm okay it's just good period, I'm going too long here...

http://www.thetechlounge.com/articles.php?id=197

http://www.everythingusb.com/h ... x/Logitech_MOMO_Force.htm

it seems like some ppl dont understand english eh?
tell me, what is the difference if u drive an EX. 1:30.50 with a wheel or with mouse? what is the difference????????????
only because the one uses a wheel makes it a better lap? LMAO illepall
i enjoy this game alot with mouse and when im able to affort a wheel ill get one, but atm i cant so whats the point? not everyone can buy everything what he wants.
actually that is already some kind of racism. ur different , ur not allowed to join illepall
let every1 play however he want, and u all will enjoy the game the most.
im not going to post anymore in this topic cuz that really makes me upset.