Quote from Lajoosh_ :

well i have to admit that all of these talks were made me think again about it.
if racing means only thoes kind if motorsports where the only thing that conts is who reach the finishline first, then drift is not racing. ok
anyway here in hungary most ppl thinks and talks about drifting as a kind of racing sport including real life drifters. we even refer to our drift events as drift races in hungarian language. but every day theres a new thing to learn
maybe todays conclusion for me: the meaning of the word racing in english is not equal to what racing means in hungarian language :S

ok, now plz talk about the original topic from now!

I think you will probably find (for what ever reason) that it is the drift community in Hungary that calls it racing and it is not a language issue at all. I am willing to bet that any other sport in Hungary that is classed as racing will involve the winner being the first to cross the finish line and will not have a style component involved.

don know why people instantly called it race.


even on our poster. the green text on the middle says: drift race :S

Could this be solved with server option where admins can select if they want to use 36 or 45 degrees max. lock?
I didn't read whole thread because there was much offtopic talking, so i might not have noticed if this was already taken to a discussion.

Quote from Lajoosh_ :

to: BlakjeKaas
you repeat the same stupidity over and over again
i dont get how could you be in a community like this one and play lfs while youre this much wooden-headed / old fashioned.

My head isn't from wood

But, I know drifting is something REAL different from racing...
BUT if it (45 degrees) helps others in a race,
and I don't want to use it in a race, and I have the same problem then I can't 'recover'. so that would mean that unrealistic is helping less-good-drivers more...
and THAT is what I don't want.

Quote from BlakjeKaas :

BUT if it (45 degrees) helps others in a race,
and I don't want to use it in a race, and I have the same problem then I can't 'recover'. so that would mean that unrealistic is helping less-good-drivers more...

Well, I'm sure if it was trully advantageous to have such a steering system in a car you'd see it being used in real life racing too, no?

Quote from Shagguli :

Could this be solved with server option where admins can select if they want to use 36 or 45 degrees max. lock?
I didn't read whole thread because there was much offtopic talking, so i might not have noticed if this was already taken to a discussion.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=247633#post247633

I mentioned it but nobody seems to comment that idea.

Quote from xaotik :

Well, I'm sure if it was trully advantageous to have such a steering system in a car you'd see it being used in real life racing too, no?

IRL there's no place for not so good drivers

What I mean is: It's not an advantage for WR drivers,
but not so good drivers can have an advantage (if they have oversteer (not controllable at 36 degrees) and they have 45 degrees and they recover from it...

I don't like that...

Yo, BlakjeKaas, please go find another thread to troll in:

Quote from BlakjeKaas :

I know, I don't have to drive with 45 degrees, but if I have oversteer, and I don't catch it... then I'm pretty pissed I don't had 45 degrees...
Bt again... having 45 degrees isn't 'real'

-THE END-

Wait... You say 45 degrees isn't real (can be found in many IRL drift cars as mentioned earlier) and would ruin LFS. In another thread you support drift tires which are a completely fictious product. Make your mind up already, do you want LFS to be a sim or another NFSU? illepall

Quote from BlakjeKaas :

IRL there's no place for not so good drivers

What I mean is: It's not an advantage for WR drivers,
but not so good drivers can have an advantage (if they have oversteer (not controllable at 36 degrees) and they have 45 degrees and they recover from it...

I don't like that...

You forget that when they have their max lock set to 45 degrees, and they are not so good and need this to correct probable spins, then the amount of spins they get themselves into will increase as well. At 45 degrees the steering becomes much more sensitive to small inputs. So overcorrecting and stuff becomes a real problem. So, I think the 45 degree input would actually be no different to them, or even be a disadvantage to them.

Quote from BlakjeKaas :

What I mean is: It's not an advantage for WR drivers,
but not so good drivers can have an advantage (if they have oversteer (not controllable at 36 degrees) and they have 45 degrees and they recover from it...

I don't like that...

Yeah, I get what you're saying - but what I mean is that it won't make you faster, even if someone catches a crazy angled drift (by whatever means - either due to skill, ridiculously large max lock angle, a natural 20 on his Luck roll) by the time he's back to racing speed it'll be too late.

For someone to actually use 45 degrees max lock then it means that they'll be anticipating multiple huge drifts in their driving, which essentially means that in racing they won't be competitive. (or that they'll be doing parallel parking in very busy areas)

Also, IRL racing it's possible that such steering systems aren't used because they likely weigh more (?) and they don't provide any benefit but only for drivers that make mistakes continuously - and that is debatable too. Not to mention, as said above, it would be twitchy as hell.

Quote from xaotik :

Yeah, I get what you're saying - but what I mean is that it won't make you faster, even if someone catches a crazy angled drift (by whatever means - either due to skill, ridiculously large max lock angle, a natural 20 on his Luck roll) by the time he's back to racing speed it'll be too late.

For someone to actually use 45 degrees max lock then it means that they'll be anticipating multiple huge drifts in their driving, which essentially means that in racing they won't be competitive. (or that they'll be doing parallel parking in very busy areas)

Also, IRL racing it's possible that such steering systems aren't used because they likely weigh more (?) and they don't provide any benefit but only for drivers that make mistakes continuously - and that is debatable too. Not to mention, as said above, it would be twitchy as hell.

Practically, the real reasons are as simple as lack of fender/wheel well space.

Try getting those 280mm wide slicks to turn 45 degrees without any rub.

All this applies to close wheeled cars, of course.

Quote from Jamexing :

Practically, the real reasons are as simple as lack of fender/wheel well space.
Try getting those 280mm wide slicks to turn 45 degrees without any rub.

Well, I would assume that making a change to such a steering angle would also imply all the changes they'd have to do to accommodate - unless racecar designers and mechanics are total idiots.

As we saw , it wasent patched in U26

Quote from xaotik :

Well, I would assume that making a change to such a steering angle would also imply all the changes they'd have to do to accommodate - unless racecar designers and mechanics are total idiots.

No, they are definitely not.

Quote from TagForce :

You forget that when they have their max lock set to 45 degrees, and they are not so good and need this to correct probable spins, then the amount of spins they get themselves into will increase as well. At 45 degrees the steering becomes much more sensitive to small inputs. So overcorrecting and stuff becomes a real problem. So, I think the 45 degree input would actually be no different to them, or even be a disadvantage to them.

You have things like wheels...
It only would be a matter of time before you know what you 'input' with your wheel

Quote from xaotik :

Yeah, I get what you're saying - but what I mean is that it won't make you faster, even if someone catches a crazy angled drift (by whatever means - either due to skill, ridiculously large max lock angle, a natural 20 on his Luck roll) by the time he's back to racing speed it'll be too late.

But then he's still on track, and not on the grass...

Quote from xaotik :

For someone to actually use 45 degrees max lock then it means that they'll be anticipating multiple huge drifts in their driving, which essentially means that in racing they won't be competitive. (or that they'll be doing parallel parking in very busy areas)

Well, you'd only use it if you want to correct yourself.

Quote from xaotik :

Also, IRL racing it's possible that such steering systems aren't used because they likely weigh more (?) and they don't provide any benefit but only for drivers that make mistakes continuously - and that is debatable too. Not to mention, as said above, it would be twitchy as hell.

And because IRL racing they aren't used, it's a -1 for me for 45 degrees max steering lock.

It's a +1 from me because it's quite possible to achieve this in real life, it doesn't disadvantage anyone and there is no apparent potential for it to be exploited in LFS. It doesn't detract from the realism at all. The drifters can enjoy the sim more and the racers wouldn't enjoy it any less.

+1 aswell , would love to see this game have more things for drifters

Depends on which cars get 45 degrees too actually...

Don't you really get it? Everyone has got your point already, no need to keep repeating yourself. As I and some other people already posted, IF you need that 45 deg when racing (Even at beginner level servers) you've already fuxxored up bad. Even if it would be a tight corner you'd lose so much distance, it'd be difficult to catch a driver as good as yourself.. (Presuming he won't make a mistake)

I'm starting to believe you're just a troll, but really do hope that you'll understand eventually. And read the posts! I didn't read anyone asking it for the race cars..

U27 update , we still dont see it there..

Quote from Shotglass :

if you want to go full 90 play netkar

Oh you mean that sim with autorecover when angle >= 90 degrees?

Sorry for OT.

From what i heard so far, I really dont think it would effect the racing guys, like myself. Im kinda going say +1, but only if, its a simple task, because I really wouldnt like to delay Scawen plans, with something that will only affect a minority of people (although i bet there are quite a big amount of drifters on LFS), since its quite obvious that most people race on LFS.

hey BlakjeKaas! what you said is sounds to me like the only way for you to win is to wait for others to spin out. i felt from the start that youre malicious, but now its clear for everyone.

oh and lfs is also used for drifting and not olny just for racing. got it?

+1

Quote from Lajoosh_ :

hey BlakjeKaas! what you said is sounds to me like the only way for you to win is to wait for others to spin out. i felt from the start that youre malicious, but now its clear for everyone.

oh and lfs is also used for drifting and not olny just for racing. got it?

I don't win, you silly!
45 does seem like a bit much to me...
But if everyone else thinks it's ok, I don't think it would be a world disaster...
I only say it may take something away from the game experience...(especially for drifters) But since I'm no drifter it's ok, I guess...
(unless we get hardcore servers which tells you how and what or else you get kicked/banned)


btw: I didn't read the whole topic... (just the first couple of pages)
6 pages is too much for something I dislike...

So only for the drifting ppl (which are a lot) we get 45 degrees which can help other ppl for recovery from oversteer...
It's ok... but it does take away racing and drifting experience...