Hello

Got this new computer thinkinng that it will improve graphics not that of an expert in playing around with the graphics.

Compaq Presario
Intel Pentium Duo 3.2 GHZ
Nvdia Geforce 7500LE 512 MB Latest driver
2 GB Ram
Win XP

Please advise the best possible settings.

The previous computer was:

Amd Athlon 3000 64
Ati Radeon 9550 256MB
1 GB Ram

At the begining of races other cars wheel were of odd shape had tried everything but could not get them right.

The view was from inside the car.

With the new computer they are still of odd shape but not as bad.

Will appreciate all the assistance.

Kind regards

That's dynamic LOD reduction. TBH your old system could have run LFS with maximum graphics anyway.

Under graphics, set Screen Width affects LOD to [no] and Track LOD reduction to [no].

Under misc, set Dynamic LOD reduction to 0.00. Note this might make your FPS drop a lot during a busy race start. High settings increase FPS at race start by drawing the cars with less detail (potentially even as blobs).

no offence, but wth is a "Nvdia Geforce 7500LE 512 MB Latest driver". They make a 7300LE, and a 5700LE (ooooooooold!), im geussing its the forumer

Is it a Core Duo or a Core 2 Duo?

Anyway, in a few secs ill attach my options display, which are the "max" options. To improve the gfx any more you need AA/AF and more textures, which ill dig into later...

EDIT - Also make sure that your display is set to 32 bit in LFS, it will give you "better" colours.

You say latest drivers, which i assume means the 95.91's (might not - hidden away on nVidia's site, or, more likely, the 92.91's), either way there are better drivers out there, i like the XTremeG drivers from tweaksrus.com, they seem to give me a higher FPS with no visual difference

EDIT - There was a thread on the ultimate settings here, my post is probably the best, but don't use the graphics settings i quoted as it WILL overload your system, try:

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Antialiasing settings: 2x
Anisotropic filtering: 4x

Lastly, for a little FPS boost disable the fps limiter in Options>Misc, as even if your no-where near the limit, turning it off still seems to give about a 5% FPS increase

Hope this helps, Jakg

Thanks Bob will try the settings. FSX i guess demanded a bit more of processing power thats why went for the new computer. Plus with the 2 gig ram and 512 MB graphics card wont have to upgrade for quite some while.

Jakg many thanks to you too of being of help.

The processor is:

PentiumD 940 (P) DC 3.2 GHz
800 MHz front side bus
Socket 775

Its not a Dula Core 2 i guess,

I meant the graphic card is Nvdia with the latest drivers i could on their website 91.47

GeForce 7500LE
256 MB DDR memory
I/O Ports: DVI, S-Video, VGA

Will apprecite if you can post the links for the latest drives from Nvdia.

Once again many thanks.

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Thanks Bob will try the settings. FSX i guess demanded a bit more of processing power thats why went for the new computer. Plus with the 2 gig ram and 512 MB graphics card wont have to upgrade for quite some while.

Jakg many thanks to you too of being of help.

The processor is:

PentiumD 940 (P) DC 3.2 GHz
800 MHz front side bus
Socket 775

Its not a Dula Core 2 i guess,

I meant the graphic card is Nvdia with the latest drivers i could on their website 91.47

GeForce 7500LE
256 MB DDR memory
I/O Ports: DVI, S-Video, VGA

Will apprecite if you can post the links for the latest drives from Nvdia.

Once again many thanks.

right, that CPU isn't amazing, never ever heard of that graphics card, but all the nVidia LE's aren't amazing either, but it should be a lot better than your old system (im geussing about... 2x the speed?)

The "tweaked" driver (give more FPS, although they dont have any of the "cheats" that give a card a higher Benchmark score) - http://www.tweaksrus.com/index ... mp;gid=756&Itemid=41/

EDIT - Here we are, googled your 7500LE, turns out they DO exist, silly Jakg! Right then, they are slightly quicker than a 7300LE (which in turn is slightly slower than a 6600GT), they are OEM only (in other words they aren't sold to the consumer, just the pc building companies), which explains why ive never seen one. It's 512 Mb through "TurboCache" which means it has a limited supply of RAM on board, then leeches the rest off your system ram (lucky you have a lot!)

Try 2x AA ad 4xAF with the tweaks i've already posted, you should keep above 60 fps, which is always nice!

(Im geussing it's an HP?)

Thanks again Jakg

followed your settings in the attched picture got 60-70 fps then played with the AA and AF the frame rates droped to 40 so have left it back at application controlled.

If it is 2x the speed than i guess i can be happy dissappointed with the graphics as it has to tahe of ram but i think they say its 256 DDR so it take halh of it from ram.

Next time i buy a computer will ask for advice.

I'll now try with the tweaksrus drivers and set the aa and af and see how the fps are. Will keep you informed.

You mentioned Nvdia has newer drivers than 91.47.

Once again many thanks.

they have some newer drivers, but they are wierd, they realeased the 92.91's (which is what we are both using), then they released the 95.something, but they said it was for the Quadro (which is their high-end video editing cards, not for gaming), nowhere on the site linked to it, yet the inf file (that checks your card and says "yeah, it'll work" or "no, this driver is for something different" says it supports the same cards as the 92.91's

There is now a 93.something out (once again, not linked to on nVidia's site! And yes, they just went back down again, no-one knows why!), and they just made a 96.something. These newer drivers have yet to be tweaked, and although they are slightly faster than the older drivers, the tweaked 92.91 is the fastest of the lot.


BTW - Application controlled is for if the App lets you pick the levels for yourself, however in LFS you cant, so it sets it to 0x

I just updated today with 91.47 and u using 92.91 and the latest one at tweaksrus is 96.89 it sure gets a bit confusing. Actually I have been in front of the PC all day trying to tweak this "new" machine.

Thanks ks again for the AA and AF to levekl it at 0x. There is so much to learn.



Once again much appreciated

remember the 96.89's on their site are jus the "stock" drivers - to make sure its a tweaked one its the XG or XTremeG in the name

Removed the previous version of drivers after great difficulty 83.93 using drive cleaner and installed 91.47. Ended the process of anti virus throughh tak manger and it went through.
After removing 91.47 to try the tweakrus drivers which never installed cannot remove the 83.93 as it keeps reverting to after restarts.
Jakg tried in safe mode too and it does not work.
I guess this is a tricky one.

bump up aniso to the max, won't drop performance significantly, not on a 7 series nvidia anyway...

Quote from george_tsiros :

bump up aniso to the max, won't drop performance significantly, not on a 7 series nvidia anyway...

it will, i have a 7950GT (thats between a 7900GT and a 7900GTX performance wise, although mines overclocked to (basically) 7900GTX speeds), and i can run max AA/AF without the FPS dropping under 50. A 7900GTX is quicker than than two SLI'd 7800GTX's, and a single 7800GTX is in turn the same speed as two SLI'd 6800 Ultra's. This in turn is the same speed as two SLI'd 6600GT's.

The 7500LE is the same speed as a 6600GT.

Ah, here we are, just looked up the 7500LE on an overclocking forum, and it seems like someone has the exact same PC as the OP

"Intel Pentium D 940 @ 3.2 Ghz
Asus GeForce 7500LE turbo cache 512Mb ( Core @ 550 Mhz, Mem @ 800 Mhz)
2049 Mb DDR2 PC2-4300 @ 266 Mhz

Super Pi Mod1.5 XS 1M Calculation = 44.266s
AquaMark3 = 30,988
3DMark03 = 2,841
3DMark05 = 1,479
3DMark06 = 607
PCMark2002 CPU = 6,783, Memory = 14,144, HDD = 1318
MetaBench = 3,251"

The thread is here, see if anyone posts anything that might help you, too!

He has overclocked his:
"By the way the stock speeds are 550MHz for the GPU and 800MHz for the memory but ive comfortably clocked them up 50MHz and 100Mhz respectively." However the tests were run at stock speeds

to get 50fps with AA/AF on a 7950 you must be running at res >1600x1200, am i correct?

i am not gettings significant drop in fps from 2x aniso to 8x aniso on my 5700LE! a 7 series should be able to run 8x fine. (in fact 2x aniso is faster than trilinear. or bilinear? dun remember :/ )

ok, with my setup of a 7950GT, AMD 4000 (Knocking on FX-57 speeds. Woo for overclocking!), and a 1280*1024 monitor, i get 100 fps running 4xAA, 16xAF, and about 60 when in a full gird.

And stop saying "a 7-series", the 7300LE, 7500LE and 7600LE's are all trading off people saying "7950GX2 is quick, this a 7-something, it MUST be good!". The 7500LE is about the same speed as a 6600GT, and uses "TurboCache" to nick system memory

i am only saying that his card shouldn't have an issue with 8x AF.

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And stop saying "a 7-series"

do you know i've been dealing with hardware since before you were born?

before you give advice, get advice.A 7 series card compared to a similar spec 6 series card is (generaly, but not always) faster. a low end 7 series is faster than a low end 6 series etc...

or do you disagree?

but, i've seen a Ti4600 give a 5700 a run for its money...

i dont care how long you have been working with hardware!

nVidia always make a slow-ish OEM card so the pc can say "Look! nVidia 7-series graphics!"

They did it with the 6-series by making the 6200, and they did it to the 7-series with the 7300LE, which IN PRACTICE clocks slightly slower than a 6600GT. He has a 7500LE, which although sounding quicker, is only marginally faster. As such it is the same speed as a 6600GT.

I posted benchies above:
3DMark06 = 607
Thats what the pc he has pulls, remember the 3DMark's tend to be mainly GFX card performance.

My 7950GT, 1 Gb of Generic DDR400 ram, 4000 San Diego (running at 2809 Mhz during the benchies, although not stable for it to stay like that normally) pulls in 5,000. The quickest pc's on the market with SLi (only with 7900GTX's!), and Core 2 Duo's are just cracking 10,000. 607, you have to admit, is low

Yes, a low-end 7-series WILL be faster than a low-end 6-series, and im saying that the 7500LE is the same speed as the 6600GT is NOT a low-end card, however it is starting to become dated.

If it were a 7600GT, or a 7800, 7900, 7950 etc, then i would say that it shouldn't have a problem (my only problem is my obsession with keeping FPS over 60 in full grids), but it's not one of those, it's the real budget card (would provide a price if it weren't OEM only.

Graphics cards (well nVidia ones at least, the 6xxx and 7xxx series) are something i've been reading alot about since i got into overclocking, as i had 2x 6600GT's that just would not work in SLi, yet had before, reformats helped, but the problem magically re-appeared again, and i went on the hunt for a new graphics card. In the end i got a Gainward "Golden Sample" 7950GT, which is factory overclocked, and overclocks a hell of a lot more still using the stock cooler.

Talking about AA and AF and I am quite new to all the technical stuff been playing with the drivers and settings.

Played around with the AA and AF and I can say at even at low AA and AF 2x the FPS went down from 60-70 to 40-50.

This is card as Jakg says is OEM and I am quite dissappointed buying this PC.

Learning through mistakes.

Quote from sshhaabb :

Talking about AA and AF and I am quite new to all the technical stuff been playing with the drivers and settings.

Played around with the AA and AF and I can say at even at low AA and AF 2x the FPS went down from 60-70 to 40-50.

This is card as Jakg says is OEM and I am quite dissappointed buying this PC.

Learning through mistakes.

luckily, you can drop a new graphics card in, then it will fly... a 6600GT, 6800GT, 7600GT or 7800GT would all be good buys, i've put them in order of price, mind! You should be able to get a 6600GT of eBay for a £50, although what you already have is the same speed.

A 6800GT or Ultra is probably your best bet, just make sure it's PCI-Express

Quote from sshhaabb :

Played around with the AA and AF and I can say at even at low AA and AF 2x the FPS went down from 60-70 to 40-50.

Which is what i've been saying: this card won't do much difference if you have low or high AF.

Quote from george_tsiros :

Which is what i've been saying: this card won't do much difference if you have low or high AF.

i don't understand - do you mean it has so much power it won't matter? if thats a yes, then were gonna have an argument

dude... i dunno... arguing with someone half my age and a third of my experience is not good for me.

7 series cards don't matter much whether you keep AF high or low. a 7300 will stay slow and a 7900 will stay fast.

older series, like the 5 series, don't like high AF much. 6 series, are less affected by high AF. 7 series don't care how much AF you use (not as much as older series), except if you use 32x.

Quote from Jakg :

In the end i got a Gainward "Golden Sample" 7950GT, which is factory overclocked, and overclocks a hell of a lot more still using the stock cooler.

Get out the cooler and lap it (quick search http://www.ovelha.org/pasteler0/2006/07/08/lapping-tutorial/ ) , make it like a mirror. i've created my own weird "thermal paste" out of lead dust. wouldn't suggest that, though go if you feel adventurous.

otherwise, go for wc/phase change. check asetek.

Quote from george_tsiros :

dude... i dunno... arguing with someone half my age and a third of my experience is not good for me.

- i may have a third of your experience, but i posted proof

Quote from george_tsiros :

7 series cards don't matter much whether you keep AF high or low. a 7300 will stay slow and a 7900 will stay fast.

yup, agree with you there

Quote from george_tsiros :

series, less. 7 series don't care how much AF you use (not as much as older series), except if you use 32x.

now we disagree, adding more AA/AF (AF to a lesser extent) WILL lower the frame rate. If it's a newer card, then it will lower it less, but it will still lower it less, and as he said, adding some AA and AF dropped his min and max FPS' by 10 fps. If your saying it doesnt matter what you set it to, then surely he can set it to 16x? oh no wait, that will lower it down into the single figures!

I may have less experience than you, but what your saying (or at least how im interpreting it) makes no sense. You seem to be saying that as it's a 7-series, it must be all powerful. This particular model isn't though! The architecture may mean that adding more AA/AF gives less performance hit, but it still needs some raw power to take the hit with. This seems to be the same as a 6600GT from what i've read, although the 3DMark06 score suggests its slower.

EDIT - I will lap it (and perhaps my CPU) when i can find my tube of AS5, i've lost it. For cooling water is too much, i'll probably just plump for a Zalman VF-900 and vMod it, that way i can easily smash the speed of a stock 7900GTX

EDIT 2x - Just re-read your quote - your right! AF really doesn't seem to hit performance much (ie mine is set to 16x), but the AA does. D'oh!

i am not a native english speaker and sometimes i can not explain myself very well.

AA will kill most cards' performance.

in any case, the LE our friend has is more than enough for LFS.