i suggest you to read the whole thread from the start or if you did then read it again carefully!
theres some truth in what you just said but the most of it is just nonsense.
theres nothing to do with the name: live for speed. do you judge a person by the name? illepall or should i ask that speed equals racing in your mind? well drifting has speed :P

lfs is the most advanced simulation of real cars. therefore we use it for drifting also.
there are various other drift simulations (eg: nfs series drift mode, D1GP on ps2, racer's D1GP mod) but they are just arcade level and thats why lfs drifters dont like it. if that wasnt obvious for you.
and to inform you: there ARE people who bought lfs to use it for drifting. even my friend did that. and me too. i bought my s2 license because i was interested in the more powerful streetcars like fz50 to drift with them.

but anyway youre a racer and i see youre against drifters. it doesnt matter what you think about drifting because you obviously know nothing about it. in this case please just stay with the original topic. this is not a the thread where people can share their hate against drifters. this is about the max lock angle.

here is very fast drifter for you. enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzNSyQ5PIDw

But when you tried it, you hadn't heard it as a Drift Sim... (or you have a friend who said that...)

I do have to say: LFS drifters are WAAAAYY better than NFS drifters... (I heard you can't even countersteer there... 0.o)

Quote from BlakjeKaas :

(I heard you can't even countersteer there... 0.o)

i dont know i never tried it. just saw some lame guys _playing_ with it. clearly unrealistic.
and youre right. when i first tried lfs i didnt even heard of drifting (2002, 0.04N) i was a racer in the hungarian league for more than 2 yrs. while i started drifting in 2003 i got tired and bored of professional racing and i quit at the end of 2004 if i remember correctly.
i enjoy shorter average races though. but racing is not my life.

Still, it's a race sim.. with good physics to drift with (instead of arcade stuff).
But don't make it easier to drift with 45 degrees, that takes away a part of the difficult of drifting and (maybe) a bit of the racing...

Still, drifters here are WAAYY cooler.

this is just an observation on my part. its not meant as hate im just bringing something to your attention. more power to you that you can and do use LFS for drifting as it appears to me it wasnt even intended for this purpose in the first place.

LFS World seems to welcome drifters.

Haha! Pwned!



(not sure whether I should laugh or cry)

Quote from Gunn :

LFS World seems to welcome drifters.

omg! i completely forgot that option exist on lfsworld O_o

It does welcome drifters, but it's not made as a game to drift in...
I mean...
It's made as race sim where you can drift in...
But, it's not a race sim where you just ask for drifting-like suggestions which (maybe) affect racing...

Quote from BlakjeKaas :

It does welcome drifters, but it's not made as a game to drift in...
I mean...
It's made as race sim where you can drift in...
But, it's not a race sim where you just ask for drifting-like suggestions which (maybe) affect racing...

Well too bad for you. The devs accept drifters as a part of our community. This topic is about max drift lock not your own opinion on LFS drifting. And to nail the real topic down flat for everyone, most of the serious drifters in LFS would like more lock not to make cars easier to control, but to provide the means to maintain much more agressive angles and hold them for longer. These guys have no trouble going sideways, but more extreme angles used to be possible when the steering range was greater, and in real life drifting events it is not uncommon to see cars obtaining these types of angles. Some would say it is the most spectacular part of the genre.

So what is being requested here is not unrealistic nor unreasonable. It's quite easy to understand, I would have thought.

It is...
But I don't see a normal roadprepared car doing 45 degrees...
And there are other suggestions (let the cars have almost none adjustable parts) which is more realistic, but not implented (yet)

i dont remember seeing a road car with gears as customizable as the roadcars in lfs either.

Quote from Gabkicks :

i dont remember seeing a road car with gears as customizable as the roadcars in lfs either.

That's why I say, they could limit it...
so also no 45 degrees

hey! dont you see youre starting it over again? geez

btw i hate thoes suggestions about removing all the adjustablity of the road cars.
by doing that you would also remove all the :star: magic:star: of lfs.
i would definitely leave lfs if that would happen and i think many other racer/drifter too.

:banghead: :tired:
Victor should really hack together a thread-ignore feature, or a way to prevent a thread from popping up under "New posts".

It's more realistic though...
Or we could have it set by the host... (but that's called hardcore settings or something?)

EDIT: sig is meant funny k?

+1 (for the 45 lock)
I dont see how this could affect the simulation when we can adjust 0.001 on drive train etc..
Then when Devs have finished more important aspects of the simulation, a dedicated car for drifters and no setup change for "road" cars would be nice.

LFS world also lists the type of racer as Drag. Does it means LFS should have all the additions that available to drag on all the cars? no people drag race the Racing vehicles. Because this is a racing simulator. Not a drag simulator. Nor a Drift simulator. Its not advertised as this. However the option is there on LFS world because people do use it for that purpose. It welcomes drifters sure. The game wasnt made for drifters.

now you need a new avatar.

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LFS world also lists the type of racer as Drag. Does it means LFS should have all the additions that available to drag on all the cars? no people drag race the Racing vehicles. Because this is a racing simulator. Not a drag simulator. Nor a Drift simulator. Its not advertised as this. However the option is there on LFS world because people do use it for that purpose. It welcomes drifters sure. The game wasnt made for drifters.

well i guess dragrace fans would be happy by it. but it seems there isnt too much extreme draggers here so they dont ask things.

listen man youre really posting without enough knowledge.

driftcars are basicly modified street cars as well as most of the drag cars too. except thoes professional dragsters that are built completely to dragraces.
these streetcars in lfs can be modified to get the best acceleration results out of their engines since the gears and final ratio is highly adjustable. an average streetdrag car has even less mods.
thoes racers who like drags could only ask for a real dragster imho.
drifters are fine with these streetcars in lfs. almost all of the modifiablity is available already.

think again.

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drifters are fine with these streetcars in lfs. almost all of the modifiablity is available already.

So... Why ask more?

Quote from Lajoosh_ :

think again.

Already did.

If Scawen limited the other setup options to realistic values (i.e. non-infinite gear ratio adjustment and the like), would that be enough. Then the 'racers can change too much' argument doesn't apply, and thus cannot be used to defend the 'drifters don't get enough change' argument.

Or perhaps I'll just go crosseyed for a bit instead.

I would like to have hardcore stuff...
But it isn't there yet...
And that's why I think 45 degrees shouldn't be in LFS (yet).

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great idea lets just ignore a large portion of the customer base and watch sales decrease

Quote from tristancliffe :

If Scawen limited the other setup options to realistic values (i.e. non-infinite gear ratio adjustment and the like), would that be enough. Then the 'racers can change too much' argument doesn't apply, and thus cannot be used to defend the 'drifters don't get enough change' argument.

that way scawen would make one of his mods very unhappy and possibly suicidal

Quote from BlakjeKaas :

So... Why ask more?

That's your question about more degrees.. It has been answered MANY times before. And also on last page(This quote is actually a reply to your post! Did you even bother to read it? ):

Quote from Gunn :

Well too bad for you. The devs accept drifters as a part of our community. This topic is about max drift lock not your own opinion on LFS drifting. And to nail the real topic down flat for everyone, most of the serious drifters in LFS would like more lock not to make cars easier to control, but to provide the means to maintain much more agressive angles and hold them for longer. These guys have no trouble going sideways, but more extreme angles used to be possible when the steering range was greater, and in real life drifting events it is not uncommon to see cars obtaining these types of angles. Some would say it is the most spectacular part of the genre.

So what is being requested here is not unrealistic nor unreasonable. It's quite easy to understand, I would have thought.

Tristan, it would be even better if everyone had to also use manual clutch. Go hardcore. Talking of manual.. I hope Scawen will make a realistic clutch soon. It's quite crappy at the moment, but better that than nothing I guess.