Quote from Blaeza :I'm probably one of the few people that both race AND drift (badly, but anyway). I agree with Becky in some respects, but the required skills in drifting make you a BETTER racer. Picture this, you are in first place in yer XRT on Blackwood. Your tyres are all but molten rubber. You approach the right-left sweeper a bit too fast and start skimming towards thr armco. Now, a drifter at this point would just oppisite lock, bit of power-oversteer and WAHEY, 1st place. Normal racer would probably brake hard and have to build up momentum and speed again. You see my point?

I totally disagree there..

First of all, when your a good racer your tires wont be molten rubber but they would be fine in temperature..

Secondly a good racer won't drift or whatsoever if he almost goes off.. TBH it would be the last thing that comes up to my mind
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#27 - Gunn
Quote from DjeMz :.. but i purchased lfs 50/50 race/drift.

Use your account on these forums and join the fun.
Quote from Thommm :I totally disagree there..

First of all, when your a good racer your tires wont be molten rubber but they would be fine in temperature..

Secondly a good racer won't drift or whatsoever if he almost goes off.. TBH it would be the last thing that comes up to my mind

Oh, I'm sorry. I was just assuming that people are NORMAL racers, not cybernetically advanced ones
well my guess is that normal racers also want to go as fast as they can?

IMO if my tires are overheated I try to drift as least as possible, and I think im not the only one who tries to do that..
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Dont rub it in u prick!

I must say every forum has a complete ****tard which is evident in the first day of joing a forum, but without sounding too homosexual, you guys seem to be inteligent and have alot of wit!
#32 - Goop
I think drifting in LFS is a bit silly because, imo, the physics just aren't quite there; it's simply too easy to catch and hold a slide
are you using a wheel?
Oh, another battle of the definitions, wonderful.
Instead of reading reply after reply untill my eyes start bleeding, I've decided to write a response, which is as neutral as possible, until the point where I start throwing in my own conclusions and assumptions.

What we can agree on:

Racing in cars is about getting to the finish line first, and requires control, speed, reactive skills and insight into many situations (perhaps this can best be described as experience, but whatever)

Drifting is (in most cases) about causing the car to oversteer, and controlling this oversteer throughout the corner to create a sort of showy display of skill and control, plus all of other other things I have written down under racing, except speed.

Now, let me elaborate on that last sentence. Many people will say that speed is also a part of drifting, and I won't disagree, but I would say that the slower the drift (or the less power of the car), the more skill is required to drift. In fact, even the drift king himself said on several occasions that it's not much of an art of drifting a high-powered RWD car, but that drifting a low-powered car is much more difficult and a much better display of control.

Now, I enjoy almost all forms of motorsport, but what I definitely do not enjoy is some guy in an 800bhp Supra, spinning his tires throughout a corner and generating more smoke than noise. What I do enjoy is a person in a relatively low-powered car, carefully controlling and manipulating the car in a 'clean' drift. That's what motorsport is about! Mastering a motorised vehicle and controlling it to the limits, but that in itself is not necessarily racing!

A fairly accurate definition of racing is: "The sport of engaging in contests of speed" with examples of such races as: "Auto racing, boat racing, horse racing, car racing". This all sounds fairly logical, but drift-racing is not in there.

I understand that drift competitions which involve overtaking can be seen as racing, but it's completely and fundamentally different from regular car racing. There's completely different basic rules for every aspect of the game, it's like apples and oranges.
If you compare any form of racing to each other, you'll always find the same basic rule: Whoever gets to the finish line first wins.
The basic rule may be supplemented by sub-rules which refer to the vehicles used, pitstops required, etiquette for certain events, whatever.

In drift-racing, part of the main rule is that you absolutely have to drift. Therefore it does not fit with the general definition of racing, as speed is not the main rule. After all, if speed was the objective of the competition, why would you cripple yourself by forcing a rule in which you have to go sideways? It's definitely not the same as the FIA deciding that there should be no V10's in Formula one, as the rule applies not to the vehicles used, but the style of controlling the vehicle.

So what I think is the matter here, is that certain aspects of drift can be seen as a race in that it is a competition in which speed plays some part. However the word 'drift-racing' feels a little off to me. It's like saying: "slamdunk-only-basketball" or "one-armed-waterpolo", like a forced handicap which deviates from the original sport.

I suppose that's my final conclusion, drifting is a branch of autosport, but I see no way that it could be seen as a pure form of racing, per definition of any good dictionary.

Flame on!
I think the source of all dispute is that drifters seek recognition as a motor sport, but often say racing.

It's like English people referring to Great Britain as England, which really narks off the Scottish and Welsh, and so it is the same with drifting and the motor sport, and motor racing issue.

I think drifting should be declared as English, and we should all be revolting Scotts. The drifters can then build a wall to keep us out, but only make it 2ft high.
Quote from Gunn :And it is these sterotypes which fuel the harmful jibes and hatred from some members, unfortunately. That and the fact that some people wouldn't know what drifting was even if it walked up to them and bit them on the face, so there is always going to be a group who doesn't understand what others like and dislike

well ive been a more or less active member of the drift community for a while now and i have to say android has a point
its mainly your typical demo drifter (the type of which showed up in this thread btw) that gives drifting a bad name and their attitude is as far off as possible from the one well known "respected" drifters have

its no different from racing ... muppets will be looked down upon
the problem with drifting is that since its turned into a type of extreme/pop-culture sport (think x-games) it attracts kids and muppets
and as always those are the most vocal ones and as such the ones that come to mind instantly when you think of drifting


edit:
to put this all in perspective whats the first thing that springs to mind when you think cs ?
(now if its cybersex give yourself a good whack in the kisser and think again)
its probably a bunch of kids bragging about how they pwned each other ... and im not going to disagree with you on that cause its one of the reasons why i quit cs a few year back
but you always have to keep in mind that while theyre the infamous ones the vocal ones the ones that paint the public picture theyre _not_ the core community and theyre _not_ the ones that did play the game years back and will play the game for years to come
usually they will either change their attitude or leave ... and unless we get to the point cs got to where s2 servers turn into demo turf on which lack of common sense is accepted because nobody gives a damn this wont change
#37 - aoun
Whatever ya are.. circuit racer, drifter, drager.. your welcome here.. people have a negative oppinion about them. Im a circuit racer, but TECHNIQUALLY (i know spelling), drifting is the fastest way around a circuit IF done CORRECTLY.

.. anyways..
Please... not... arrrrrghhhhhh :doh:
Quote from aoun :drifting is the fastest way around a circuit IF done CORRECTLY.

illepall

Then my view on drifting differs a lot froum yours
Quote from aoun :TECHNIQUALLY (i know spelling), drifting is the fastest way around a circuit IF done CORRECTLY.

.. anyways..

If that were true I'm sure we wouldn't have any of the racing classes as they are now.
For me it's just boooring...to watch
Quote from aoun :Whatever ya are.. circuit racer, drifter, drager.. your welcome here.. people have a negative oppinion about them. Im a circuit racer, but TECHNIQUALLY (i know spelling), drifting is the fastest way around a circuit IF done CORRECTLY.

.. anyways..

amm, not really
Quote from aoun :Whatever ya are.. circuit racer, drifter, drager.. your welcome here.. people have a negative oppinion about them. Im a circuit racer, but TECHNIQUALLY (i know spelling), drifting is the fastest way around a circuit IF done CORRECTLY.

.. anyways..

And drifters wonder why they are considered the laughing stock...
I can see how drifting can be quite fun, but to me there is something so visceral, so pure about racing, you are trying to get around a circuit in the fastest time possible, faster than everyone else, there is nothing to do with style, drift angles blah blah, nothing open for interpritation, in racing you are either fast or (like me) not.

Racing is as pure a motorsport comes, adding artistic representation just dilutes the purity of racing.

edit: anyone who says drifting is the fastest way round a circuit is talking complete and utter balls

Dan,
#45 - col
'Drift racing' makes me think of race walking where 'athletes' (who are not good enough to compete in a running race) do a 'race' that has extra restrictions imposed upon it that depend on close monitoring of every competitor.... (and they wiggle their asses). Has anyone here seen race walking without thinking 'why?'

Drifting as a spectacle of skill and artistry, I can understand, a bit like rythmic gymnastics or synchronised swimming. Just don't pretend that it's racing.

Hey, I just broke the 60m world record for hopping backwards with one eye closed while shouting 'spank me sideways I'm a drifter' at an angle of at least 45º - I pwned you all.
Sorry col, but my record stands because when I did that I said it in leet speak.
Quote from aoun :drifting is the fastest way around a circuit IF done CORRECTLY.

My gosh, those mushrooms I rubbed on my gums earlier are kicking in. I could have sworn someone said that drifting was faster. Which I suppose explains why Alonso doesn't drive at less than 45 degrees yaw.

Tee Hee.
OK col, so you've taken it to the ridiculous extreme to make a point, but by the same argument, how would rally cross or dirt track racing compare with street or circuit racing on tarmac?
Who is to say which of the contests is more valid?
TRhis depends entirely on your own personal tastes, and as we know, taastes defy logic.
The professionals who train for months for speed walking contests would be appalled by your ignorance.
I walk to the coffee machine every day as part of my training Al. Once I get my coffee I nip outside for a quick smoke and then my training is complete .

Hehe, no seriously, rallyX is still racing - rally isn't, but the exercise is still about speed.

On a loose surface it's often quicker to let the back step out - although 'drifting' is not exclusively used in rallying. It's down to the surface.

Drifting, if my understanding is correct, takes place on tarmac.

I dont get the argument that drifting is faster. It isn't. It shaves off speed and wrecks your tyres.

I also resent the assumption by some drifters that they have better car control and can recover a dangerous situation when racers can't. If something is a part of racing, then good racers are good at it.

Collecting a car that's a bit out of shape is a part of racing, and good racers are good at it. And yes, sometimes they will step the back out, but this is accident recovery, not part of the quest for speed.
Quote from danowat :anyone who says drifting is the fastest way round a circuit is talking complete and utter balls

depends on how you define a drift ... if having the front wheels straight while going round a corner at the absolute limit (usually referd to as a 4 wheel drift) then yes drifting is the fastest way around a track
actually if you define drifting as "car points more towards the center of the corner than its momentum does" than drifting becomes the only way around a track

and to once and for all end this stupid racers cant drift myth (just like white men cant jump eh ?)
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Why people dont like drifting in LFS ??
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