I was in a similar, um, state the first time I got my brain pummelled by Fear Factory

Other good bands are

Amon Amarth
God Forbid
Greenday
Korpiklaani
Lordi
manowar
Iron Maiden
Slipknot
Megadeth
ACDC
Fields of the Nephilim
Lacuna Coil
Placebo
Murderdolls
Trivium
69 Eyes

Should be enought to keep you going!

Therapy? - Suicide Pact You First
Carcass - Heartwork
Tori Amos - From the Choirgirl Hotel

I also don't buy CDs anymore. However, I do subscribe to Napster, I can justify $10 per month for unlimited downloading. I don't like stealing/pirating/whatevering music, I just don't like going out to the store and buying CDs.

As for good music, I'm kinda stuck on Keane right now

Quote from duke_toaster :

Read the theft act

Pirate music is copyright infringement - but NOT theft under UK law. Also, in the UK, all pirate music cases are civil, not criminal.

disclaimer - I am not a lawyer, but this is to the best of my knowledge the case

So people who pirate games, use cracks on LFS etc etc aren't stealing then?.

It's ok to copyright infringe music, but people are bad if they copyright infringe LFS?

You can download music legally and free, look for example:
http://cmt.siba.fi/paaltio/
http://www.panuaaltio.com/
He makes music that I like very much.

We have then in here some pages where artists upload their own music, there is lot of different styles:
http://www.mikseri.net/
http://www.mesta.net/mestamp3/
http://fin.mp3lizard.com/

Great music is available, but of course if you have to have certain brand(band) etc. nonsense then those are worthless, but I don't see point spending money to fill greedy record company pockets so that they can put even worse drm crap to my own computer.

I have found out that many people are constantly listening music, I'm not one of those, I prefer absolutely silence, only sometimes music is nice, but in rare cases, so my opinions and views may not be similar to majority, but I don't care

@ Danowat & Hankstar- D'ya see them now! D'ya

Quote from danowat :

So people who pirate games, use cracks on LFS etc etc aren't stealing then?.

It's ok to copyright infringe music, but people are bad if they copyright infringe LFS?

I use limewire now and then as well, but I'm not stealing! Stealing is when you take something away, and I'm not taking anything away. Piracy is (for me) not a substitute for buying the real thing. If the opportunity is there, and it's free, why not try it? If it's good I'll buy it.

i use limaware,i download,listen then i delete them in 24 hours.its definitly not stealing.

Quote from TyresHot :

i use limaware,i download,listen then i delete them in 24 hours.its definitly not stealing.

This is like taking shirt from shop without paying, use it a day and then return to shop, imo.

Taking copyrighted material from p2p network is doing bad to p2p system and because of such activity some stupid politician may put all p2p softwares illegal.

But it is free world, everyone has chance to do what they like if they also take responsibility too and accept consequences.

Quote from JTbo :

This is like taking shirt from shop without paying, use it a day and then return to shop, imo.

Taking copyrighted material from p2p network is doing bad to p2p system and because of such activity some stupid politician may put all p2p softwares illegal.

But it is free world, everyone has chance to do what they like if they also take responsibility too and accept consequences.

dude,i dont think like you, i listen the song and if i like it i buy, if i dont i dont buy.this is allowed by law i think.

I think, you think wrong. DOnt know about laws in Djibouti though.

Quote from TyresHot :

dude,i dont think like you, i listen the song and if i like it i buy, if i dont i dont buy.this is allowed by law i think.

I'm sorry to hear that.

But that is just how our laws and rules are where I live, of course maybe where you live it is perfectly normal to take music from p2p and delete it withing 24 hours and then it is not even illegal, but really that is not how it is in here and not how music corporations see things and those are ones that pressure politicians to illegalize p2p too.

Anyway as I said, it is free world, I'm not judge or anything, just bringing up some other views to this, you can do what you like.

IMHO downloading, say a single or album, to see if its any good is a good thing. You think, you download it, its shit, you delete it. No money wasted, no time wasted by going to the shops and getting it, then returning it because you dont like it. But if you like it, you delete it (or keep it on your HDD) then go buy the CD. Then you use the MP3 copy on your HDD as your legal copy (under law you can have 1 legal backup copy, but im not sure about MP3's)

Actually, if you want to be right. Lending CD's is a crime. So if you ever lent a CD to a mate for the night, you've broken the law. Plus, putting music from a CD onto an iPod or other portable media player is also ILLEGAL under current law. So they moan about p2p but not iPods.

Quote from RoCkBiGdAvE :

IMHO downloading, say a single or album, to see if its any good is a good thing. You think, you download it, its shit, you delete it. No money wasted, no time wasted by going to the shops and getting it, then returning it because you dont like it. But if you like it, you delete it (or keep it on your HDD) then go buy the CD. Then you use the MP3 copy on your HDD as your legal copy (under law you can have 1 legal backup copy, but im not sure about MP3's)

Actually, if you want to be right. Lending CD's is a crime. So if you ever lent a CD to a mate for the night, you've broken the law. Plus, putting music from a CD onto an iPod or other portable media player is also ILLEGAL under current law. So they moan about p2p but not iPods.

Ah so you got those stupid laws too. Here many artists were against those copyright laws but politicians ignored them.

Quote from RoCkBiGdAvE :

IMHO downloading, say a single or album, to see if its any good is a good thing. You think, you download it, its shit, you delete it. No money wasted, no time wasted by going to the shops and getting it, then returning it because you dont like it. But if you like it, you delete it (or keep it on your HDD) then go buy the CD. Then you use the MP3 copy on your HDD as your legal copy (under law you can have 1 legal backup copy, but im not sure about MP3's)

Actually, you can't return opened cds to stores, they won't accept them. (And can't, by law.)

Quote :

Actually, if you want to be right. Lending CD's is a crime. So if you ever lent a CD to a mate for the night, you've broken the law. Plus, putting music from a CD onto an iPod or other portable media player is also ILLEGAL under current law. So they moan about p2p but not iPods.

That's what the record companies want you to think. In actuality, you are perfectly within the law to rip your own music, burn your own cds, and put your own music onto your ipod as long as you don't distribute or sell it. The record companies file lawsuits with civilians and the civilians, not knowing the laws, give in and pay the record companies these insane amounts of money when they have done nothing wrong. Anyone who has stood up to a record company in court, and not done anything wrong, has won their case. Huge scam, really. I'm thankful the RIAA has no power outside of the U.S. It's just scare tactics.

Also, if anyone actually has downloaded music, and even freely distributed, can get off from the charges because of a catch; the record companies can only gather this information in an illegal way, and so if you fight it in court you can (and probably will) win your case.

The whole thing is about getting more money, any way possible. It will (and has started to) backfire on the record companies though. Hopefully in the near future they'll all shutup about it. I've spend much much more money on music since I started downloading. I had every Children Of Bodom and In Flames cd downloaded before I bought one of their cds, but now I own all of their North American cds, except the debut albums. I've seen In Flames in concert once, and Bodom three times. This has also exposed me to many other bands, which I have either seen live or bought a cd from. Doesn't make it legal, but my point is that it's been a good thing. Without P2P, I never would have discovered these bands and they never would have recieved my money.

I don't care if it is illegal, though. Quite frankly the whole disput is a stupid one, imho.

Quote from danowat :

So people who pirate games, use cracks on LFS etc etc aren't stealing then?.

It's ok to copyright infringe music, but people are bad if they copyright infringe LFS?

I never condoned it.

I forgot to post this in my earlier post but a few months back, on BBC News 24 at like 4am they had a section on technology and they were on about Torrents and how easy it is to illegaly obtain music and films etc via them but cant do much about it. But, they reported on a scheme that -might- be implimented were-by we pay nothing, are legaly allowed to download content and the owner/artist gets paid. Something about using adds on a site like the google ads, so they get payed by ad revenue then you download their torrent. I think it was Universal Pictures, but it's being looked into for music and games etc. I cant remeber the specifics but thats the basics.