Quote from spankmeyer :

Has anyone else noticed that it's drifters who make these kinds of threads in different forms (give me bodykits, give me 45 steering angle, give me rims, give me NOS, why you dislike drifters), and then they start throwing tantrums when they are not supported 100%. Rational reasoning is the first one thrown out of the window and flaming ensues until mods finally give the Seal of Approval.

EDIT: 'Drifters' as in 'desktop drifters & non-professional and illegal street drifters' and 'Seal of Approval' = thread locked.

Those silly and unrealistic movies like fast and furious are appealing to those 13yo and then they come 'drift' on grip server and start to complain then after wrecking. You really don't need much more to get negative towards drifters, I guess then those 'drifters' are creating such threads too.
And all this because ppl are like sheeps and go with what is currently cool, add impatiance and ignorance of others and we have a nice mess.

What distrubs me is that ppl don't allow others to have different interest, why it is hard to live and let live when there is no trouble caused to either party?

Quote from HittiS :

I can't talk for everybody, but I sleep as an adult more comfortable on my back instead of my side- which I was doing quite often when I was a kid!

i dont get it ... language barrier ?

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As I said before, I respect drifters and drifting (I also drift from time to time in LFS) .. but I'll also think that this "To Fast To Furious" and drifters behaviour (not all, everytime) is kinda childish and all this "look at me" has gone a little bit too far!

doesnt really happen with the drifters wo have been around long enough to become good at it

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And for those who thinks drifting is a faster way to get round a track, I'm up for a race against anybody. Fe Gold Reversed with XRT, one lap, two laps, three laps... I'm in, let's go! Bosse, xro, Losah, anybody .. wanna race?

another thing that doesnt really apply to the drift community ive expierenced so far
some drifters are very vocal about that there is no speed drifting and anything but show drifting is utterly pointless

Quote from george_tsiros :

i still think drifting is incomparable to racing. Drifting uses only a subset of the techniques needed to race.

works the other way round too

Quote from spankmeyer :

Has anyone else noticed that it's drifters who make these kinds of threads in different forms (give me bodykits, give me 45 steering angle, give me rims, give me NOS, why you dislike drifters), and then they start throwing tantrums when they are not supported 100%. Rational reasoning is the first one thrown out of the window and flaming ensues until mods finally give the Seal of Approval.

What a poor attempt to black paint all drifters. Many drifters, the serious ones at least, are also racers. The lame wannabe drifters you see being stupid here are the minority of the drifter community. The minority that has gotten "in" to drifting after watching some D1 competition or a F&F movie. I don't understand your argument about drifters being the ones always asking for those "rice improvements" either. Can you prove that the people who have asked for bodykits, "rims", NOS, neons etc, have all been serious drifters? 45 degree lock was nothing but pure facts. It exists in real life, therefore it should exist in LFS. Of course GRIPPERS (yes, I said that just to piss off a couple people) definately disagree because it wouldn't affect them, just help the drifters around. And of course THAT is the WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN!

Oh, and if you think drifters are all stupid and can't race, why did I beat you some while a go in a race hands down? Not to mention, I drift way more than I race. I consider myself more of a drifter than a racer. I've beaten many "forum-racers" I see here actually. Those are people who have written more crap posts to this forum than they have kilometers in their stats. The people who enjoy posting in LFSF more than driving in the sim itself.

I thought I gave this forum another chance and actually start hanging around here again, but reading this thread over pissed me off too much. The true ignorance of some people, the "hate the drifters, be cool" -trend, the arrogance.. it's unbelievable. Some people here actually see the both side of things and I truly respect them, but the majority just seem to be too ignorant and arrogant towards understanding on each others.

Therefore, I swear to god, this is the last post you will ever see from me in this forum again. I'm leaving and never coming back. You have my personal word on that.

And then there are the people who take words on the internet much too seriously

Quote from Matrixi :

What a poor attempt to black paint all drifters. Many drifters, the serious ones at least, are also racers. The lame wannabe drifters you see being stupid here are the minority of the drifter community. The minority that has gotten "in" to drifting after watching some D1 competition or a F&F movie. I don't understand your argument about drifters being the ones always asking for those "rice improvements" either. Can you prove that the people who have asked for bodykits, "rims", NOS, neons etc, have all been serious drifters? 45 degree lock was nothing but pure facts. It exists in real life, therefore it should exist in LFS. Of course GRIPPERS (yes, I said that just to piss off a couple people) definately disagree because it wouldn't affect them, just help the drifters around. And of course THAT is the WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN!

Oh, and if you think drifters are all stupid and can't race, why did I beat you some while a go in a race hands down? Not to mention, I drift way more than I race. I consider myself more of a drifter than a racer. I've beaten many "forum-racers" I see here actually. Those are people who have written more crap posts to this forum than they have kilometers in their stats. The people who enjoy posting in LFSF more than driving in the sim itself.

I thought I gave this forum another chance and actually start hanging around here again, but reading this thread over pissed me off too much. The true ignorance of some people, the "hate the drifters, be cool" -trend, the arrogance.. it's unbelievable. Some people here actually see the both side of things and I truly respect them, but the majority just seem to be too ignorant and arrogant towards understanding on each others.

Therefore, I swear to god, this is the last post you will ever see from me in this forum again. I'm leaving and never coming back. You have my personal word on that.

Ah! mindset, matrixi drifting off into the sunset! - Drift away baby, drift away!

For me, there are two types of drifter.

There's the nice type - Matrixi is a good example - the sort that can race well, drift well, are nice to chat to, have their heads screwed on properly, and are thoroughly decent human beings with a huge driving talent.

Then there's the F&F type, and I think we all know what that means.

It's such a shame that the F&F type are the more common, and the least respected, and tend to tarnish the name of the good drifters. Whether or not some of these 'dorifto is teh leet' types are good at it doesn't really enter the equation, as their attitude sucks.

When people like Matrixi say they are leaving the forum then we should be sad. I know I am.

Come back Matrixi, I'll apologise!

Though your personal attacks on "who's better" were pretty nasty too and you toss a boatload of those at me for no real reason. I never said I was faster than you, but anywhoo...

Honestly I've always thought you as a nice and fast fella! Even if you defend your team to death by leaving the forum... well... I'll always remember you as a good fella. (don't know which smiley is appropriate, sad or smile, sorry...)

Quote from Slidaaaa :

Scrw you people

dont like like Drift? Then Dont do it, go away, this thread wont lead to anywhere...

and i dont give a damm, i wont stop racing and drifting,just because sides dont like each other, like if i was gona loose the fun both offers just because most of 'pure racers' dont give a sht to Drift and dont respect it, its also fun,i also enjoy, i will also do it,if even Senna enjoyed sometimes, so i will... (cue sound of toys being thrown from pram)

Well, if you're going to ignore (or flat-out not fail to comprehend) the points that myself and others have been trying to make and forget about actually having a discussion, good riddance. This thread will be better off without you. It's shit like that that pisses people off about drifters. It's not the sport I don't like, it's the childish attitudes that sometimes come with it

Look, i dont dislike drifting in LFS - it's fun, makes much better screenies, and it isn't that hard to do some basic (yet quite impressive looking) things, but the fact that the noobish members of the drifting community seem to be much more vocal and militant than the racing community seems to cause these arguments.

Quote from Jakg :

but the fact that the noobish members of the drifting community seem to be much more vocal and militant than the racing community seems to cause these arguments.

not bragging but thats what i and others have been saying all along

Quote from tristancliffe :

When people like Matrixi say they are leaving the forum then we should be sad. I know I am.

no reason to be sad since i know i can buttsecks him as much as i like on irc (god i should spend less time talking to ven its starting to get to me)

I drift the occasional drift in LFS. I suck at it like no-other, but I don't really mind as long as I'm having fun.

There are two types of mindset, in my opinion. On one side there are nice ppl who not only know how to drift but don't look down on others who either can't drift or choose not to drift, these people I like. On the other, there are people who go "you don't drift because you suck and you know it" etc., these people I don't like.

So "Why people dont like drifting in LFS ??" I dunno, personally it's because of the attitude of most drifters I have come across when hosting my own layouts.

Quote from Slidaaaa :

ALL YOUR POSTS

Amost everyone here will agree that a good drift done well is something to watch. The General Lee clip posted earlier shows stunning control of the car. That is not the issue here though....

I am sorry to say but your attitude is the reason WHY drifters are not liked in LFS and it appears to be a common attitude within the drift community.

NOTE: This is not to say all drifters are like this but the majority are. TBH, I have see the same thing happen again and again IRL.

I started to snowboard very early on when many resorts still banned snowboarders and there were big snowboard/skier fights. This took years to resolve and now the two side get on and there is a cross over between the two in people and technology.

Looking back it was ALL caused by many of the early snowboards acting like arses that believed they were right and everyone else was wrong. They assumed they had the right to do anything they liked, when they liked. They also assumed everyone owed them respect and didn't realise people treat you how you treat them.

The current state of the drift community is the same as those early snowboard days and the fights will stop as drift becomes more mainstream and popular as this will pull a bigger mix into the community.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say but I know it will go over your head in the same way it went over the heads of meany early snowboarders.

But then hindsight is 20-20 vision

Thoughts on 4-wheel drift... Warning, Initial D references ahead.

IMHO, the perfect control through a corner in a RWD car is one where you do not steer at all. You brake, turn slightly to initiate rotation, and then throughout the turn your steering wheel is held dead straight ahead--slip angles, inertia, and throttle control do everything for you. I'm not a good racer--I've only managed this feat exactly once, and it was pure luck, but it was an amazing feeling and I remember it distinctly. (it was the second curve of the esses on BL, and I was driving the XRT)

For fans of Initial D, think of the character "God-Hand" from the last season. Though Initial D gets a lot of details about racing wrong (I can't overemphasize this, Initial D is not always accurate), this was one case where they were on to something. A comment was made about his driving technique being "between drifting and gripping"--he's not gripping, because he doesn't steer into the turn, but he's not drifting because he's not countersteering either. Frankly, the name "God-Hand" is misleading--he's not skilled because of how he works the steering wheel, but because of all the things he does to make it so he doesn't work the steering wheel.

I was quite suprised there wasn't a reference to the "gumtape deathmatch" story from early in the show. The lessons involved are the same--Takumi noticed that he actually drove faster when he used less countersteer. He should have noticed that he drove fastest when he didn't steer at all.

Right, now somebody tell me how far my foot is down my throat.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Your analogy doesn't really work outside of Canada.

LOL

Hockey rulez!!111

Why don't you like hockey you arrogant meanhead?

(yes, sarcasm)

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Genuine question: Does this ridiculous term "gripping" actually come from a ****ing cartoon?

I think it has been around before, but not sure

Don't let cartoon fool, it is more realistic than any F&F, of course not very realistic, but perhaps better in that aspect that many may think of.

I did that once or twice back in 0.3 with the XRG. Isn't that called critical slip angles or something? Is good fun though, need an extremely finely balanced setup, just the smallest touch of understeer.

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Takumi noticed that he actually drove faster when he used less countersteer

Lol, that should be blindingly obvious really.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Genuine question: Does this ridiculous term "gripping" actually come from a ****ing cartoon?

I REALLY hate the term gripping. Since when did racing become something else once drifting came along? I don't get where it came from either, if anything it's been proven that tyres actually have (slightly) more grip at very large slip angles, just all the forces are in the wrong direction and the massive resistance from the tyres ultimately slows you down. So really drifting is gripping, if you interperet the "term" properly.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Because it makes your eyes go scary.

I was living in NJ when the devils won the Stanley Cup, so I saw a lot of hockey one year, and I just... didn't get it. It seemed to me the whole point of the game was to get one of the other team's players sent off for a while so your team would have a chance of scoring. When the teams were even, nobody ever scored.

Beware, hockey is a sacred thing for Canadians and now you're mocking it.

Quote from deggis :

Beware, hockey is a sacred thing for Canadians and now you're mocking it.

This was hockey?

Quote from Slidaaaa :

Then.. and so does racing..boooring, loong, too much under control , OLD, anybody can race, just a few can drift...people dont like it because its not for everybody,and they just cant compreend it.

Good Drifters can race just as fast as most, good Racers cant drift anything at most.
Fact, period,goodbye. :cool:

Tazio Nuvalari
Gilles Villenueve
Ayrton Senna
Good 'Ol Nige
Jean Alesi
Mario Andretti
Jackie Stuart
Juan Manuel Fangio
Derek Bell/Warwick
Michael Schumacher
(Certainly) Ralf Schumacher
Mark Donahue
Dan Gurney
Paul Newman
Didier Peroni
Reny Arnoux
Alain Prost
Nelson Piquet
Giancarlo Fisicella
Alesandro Nannini...

OK, If I had the time to do a search for race drivers on the internet I could fill up ten pages like this.

Yer nuts.

Don't base all your opinions on the like of Andrea DeCesaris

Quote from Slidaaaa :

Good Drifters can race just as fast as most, good Racers cant drift anything at most.
Fact, period,goodbye.

your not trolling...

I've shown i can drift, but i find racing much harder and more rewarding, so your statement is false

Quote from Woz :

I started to snowboard very early on when many resorts still banned snowboarders and there were big snowboard/skier fights. This took years to resolve and now the two side get on and there is a cross over between the two in people and technology.

Looking back it was ALL caused by many of the early snowboards acting like arses that believed they were right and everyone else was wrong. They assumed they had the right to do anything they liked, when they liked. They also assumed everyone owed them respect and didn't realise people treat you how you treat them.

The current state of the drift community is the same as those early snowboard days and the fights will stop as drift becomes more mainstream and popular as this will pull a bigger mix into the community.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say but I know it will go over your head in the same way it went over the heads of meany early snowboarders.

But then hindsight is 20-20 vision

Not the same. If the comparison were between cars and motorcycles it would apply. Skis and Snowboards are identical in construction and performance on the snow. Snowoarding gives you more control over the ski. Skiing give you more control over your inate bipedal balance instincts. Both require huge skillsets to master. Drifting would be like making only skidded turns on your skiis or snowboards and then calling that a sport.

Who would do that?

(Oh yeah... 95% of the people on the mountain. Hacks...)

Slarti, I don't think the point of Woz's comparison is about the actual equipment or techniques involved but about the rivalry of a new group of players vs the established group. The core of his post seems to be about a bunch of people entering an established area of competition with a new angle, acting like their way was the only way to do things and annoying everyone else. I think it's a good analogy and could be drawn from a lot of sporting rivalries, e.g. surfing/body-boarding, kung fu/Jeet Kune Do, BMX/mountainbiking (I see more mountain/downhill bikes at my local dirt jumps than BMXs these days - I see plenty at skateparks too). Mostly it's not the technique or method involved that causes the friction, but the attitudes from both sides of the fence.

Correct me if I'm wrong there Woz :up:

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I was living in NJ when the devils won the Stanley Cup, so I saw a lot of hockey one year, and I just... didn't get it. It seemed to me the whole point of the game was to get one of the other team's players sent off for a while so your team would have a chance of scoring. When the teams were even, nobody ever scored.

What year was that? 95? Things have changed a bit, especially two years ago... Much faster game now. But I see your point

Quote from thisnameistaken :

If I turn up dead, covered in cheese and gravy, you'll know who it was! :detective

Ergh, don't associate all of Canada with Quebec... That's just mean! People always notice flaws first don't they.

Technically it's supposed to be curds, not cheese per se. :hide:

Quote from Slartibartfast :

Alesandro Nannini

isnt that a female singer ?

Quote from Hankstar :

Mostly it's not the technique or method involved that causes the friction, but the attitudes from both sides of the fence.

yeah ... sailers are a bunch of tossers ^^

Matrixi / Toni,

Don't get upset of all these ignorant discussions, you're far better than that, it is people like you that makes this community a better place (well it is.. sometimes), I wouldn't want you to leave anyways, hehe. (well its actually ain't that bad nowadays, RSC was far worst back then :S )

I love the LFS the way I like it, I play it the way I want to, and of course, I hang out with the people and friends that I choose, instead of trying to squeeze in with the rest (while I still respect them), or to prove something. This has kept me out of trouble for almost 3 years, and I had the a lot of sweet memories and great moments in LFS with lots of friends along the way. Simply awesome.

We'll keep our drifting to our drift servers (and all the drift related talks at some other forum), and the racers to their race servers, it's all good.

plus, if you leave, we'll lose another great person/driver here to show to the rest of the LFS community what's real drifting is supposed to be.

so, stay.