Quote from SparkyDave :

I am interested, what strenth FF were you using? and what lock setting?

Same question to all G25 users what FF strenth in profiler or windows setting and in game?

Dont get me started about DC motors I have built many including RC motors and they will happly run both ways, its only when running only 1 way for long periods of time that you get uneven cathode brush wear or comm stepping as mentioned by someone above


SD.

In profiler the forces are set at 98% and lock is set at 270degs
In LFS the forces varies between cars and sets between 15 and 25% with 270deg.

Quote from Shotglass :

directed at sam bob al or any other moderator
could you do me a favour and edit the vote so theres one more for yes ? i just got the replacement unit and its even louder than the old one

Did anyone do this yet? I'll assume not, if someone has then undo what I'm about to. I'm also assuming that you have noted no, that's why you now can't vote yote yes, so I also need to reduce the no votes by one?

Incidentally, that's just evened up the poll.

Quote from Bob Smith :

Did anyone do this yet? I'll assume not, if someone has then undo what I'm about to. I'm also assuming that you have noted no, that's why you now can't vote yote yes, so I also need to reduce the no votes by one?

nope i already voted yes
but now i have two g25s with that particular problem

Sorry to hear you guys are having such bad luck with your new l33t wheels.

The G25 appealed to me because in part people were saying how much quieter it is compared to the DFPpro, the DFPpro being quite noisy infact. I'm a real night person, gf always asleep in the next room, but I like to be on the computer at night- I thought maybe I could get in some racing at this time if the G25 was quiet enough to not disturb gf/neighbours...

Quote from Electrik Kar :

Sorry to hear you guys are having such bad luck with your new l33t wheels.

The G25 appealed to me because in part people were saying how much quieter it is compared to the DFPpro, the DFPpro being quite noisy infact. I'm a real night person, gf always asleep in the next room, but I like to be on the computer at night- I thought maybe I could get in some racing at this time if the G25 was quiet enough to not disturb gf/neighbours...

It's not really a problem though, because as minor as the 'grinding' feels, the wheel can still fully function as normal, and it works just fine. The grinding sound just gets to some people's heads I guess illepall. If you're using a high degree of rotation then for sure it would bug you, but the friction is so minimal (if any?) that it really isn't THAT big of a deal... except for a louder buzz sound when steering one way.

Quote from Tweaker :

that it really isn't THAT big of a deal... except for a louder buzz sound when steering one way.

thats quite an understatement
whey i got my first g25 my mom complained about the noise and she was 2 storeys below me at the time ... its audible in the entire house
the wheel is absolutely useless at night unless youre all alone

All I can say is, my G25 is a lot louder than the R440 I had before... But I can't say if it's the wheel itself or just the desk vibrating louder than before... But the clicks of the shifter probably ruins it for any use in the night, they are just agonizing loud...

if the shifts are the loudest noise yours produces youve got one off the good batch bb

Yeah, I know... Haven't had any problems so far... I was just stating that it's damn loud anyway, and that I can't even think of using it in the night if I don't want to get my head ripped off...

Quote from Shotglass :

thats quite an understatement
whey i got my first g25 my mom complained about the noise and she was 2 storeys below me at the time ... its audible in the entire house
the wheel is absolutely useless at night unless youre all alone

The noise really only applies to people that need to be quiet in the middle of the night. Some people here are making the G25 appear to be a terrible "mistake" from Logitech because it makes a loud noise and they do not want to wake their parents up illepall. Use a low degree of mode in the middle of the night if that is the case.

Someone being 2 stories below you and hearing the wheel spin is just mind boggliing to me. It isn't that loud. Or perhaps some people's buzz noise on their G25 are louder than others

Still, all I was saying in that post is that the buzz isn't really affecting performance of the wheel. The only real complaint here is the noise and the fact that you don't want to wake anyone up in the middle of the night. Not many people worry of such a problem, so that's not to say the G25 is their "flawed" wheel just because of your own preferences. Products don't fit everyone.

Quote from Tweaker :

Some people here are making the G25 appear to be a terrible "mistake" from Logitech because it makes a loud noise

iirc the g25 was marketed as being a lot quieter than the dfp

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Someone being 2 stories below you and hearing the wheel spin is just mind boggliing to me. It isn't that loud.

believe me it is that loud

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Still, all I was saying in that post is that the buzz isn't really affecting performance of the wheel.

matrixi told me his one has developed additional resistance to turning going with the noise
if youve ever heard the noise yourself youd know that there is something seriously wron with the gearing on some wheels and its certainly something that will affect performance in the long run

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The only real complaint here is the noise and the fact that you don't want to wake anyone up in the middle of the night.

or get into serious trouble with your landlord for doing so

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Not many people worry of such a problem, so that's not to say the G25 is their "flawed" wheel just because of your own preferences. Products don't fit everyone.

not many ? oh right just everybody who doesnt have a whole house to himself

Note that the surface you mount the wheel on can also play a role in the amount of noise produced. Quite often a desk will work as a sort of soundboard that amplifies the sounds of things laying on / attached to it.

Besides, if you think the G25 is noisy, try a DFP...

Haven't you guys seen the 2nd video Matrixi/Toni posted? that just doesn't sound right to me :S

Quote from SatCP :

Note that the surface you mount the wheel on can also play a role in the amount of noise produced. Quite often a desk will work as a sort of soundboard that amplifies the sounds of things laying on / attached to it.

Besides, if you think the G25 is noisy, try a DFP...

my dfp on a desk is less noisy than a (broken) g25 sitting on a sofa or some other soft surface

That definitely doesn't sound right. My G25 is a lot less noisy than my DFP, but still I agree that it's too noisy to play at night when there's someone sleeping in a near room. However, when I take it off the desk it's actually relatively silent (but so was the DFP apart from whining sound).

Apart from when I took the wheel apart for my mod, I have been using the wheel quite intensive. I do notice it's more noisy to the left than to the right, but there's no difference in force or resistance in either direction. The noise didn't increase over time either.

I have the wheel at 720° at the moment with 100% force in both LFS and Logitech software. I have been show drifting for the past week (I know, I know, but I can't play online at the moment and I was bored as hell) meaning a lot of rapid lock-to-lock movements with the wheel, probably stressing it quite a bit. But so far it behaved perfectly.

Considering the fact that half the wheels don't make more noise in one direction, it may be bad construction quality by Logitech. I don't mean badly manufactured parts, but badly put together. User "sidi" took apart the gearbox inside the wheel and tightened all screws and apparantly that fixed the problem for him.

It's of course far from normal that one does have to fix something he bought before it works as advertised, but since you can open and disassembly the wheel without much effort and without visible traces (unless you have two left hands and no right tools) you may want to try to tighten the screws by yourselves.

Quote from sidi :

Like i said elsewhere mine was making a slightly louder noise turning to the right but last night it got the same treatment as the shifter and pedals and i ripped it apart,i gave the screws that hold the motors on an extra tweak and also the 6-8 (my memory is shit) screws on the plate the motors bolt to,i then noticed the motors had some kind of cover over them like a heatsink and the righthand side one was abit loose so i took that off and compressed it abit and popped it back on,as of today no more dif in noise levels turning left or right maybe it's all a coincidence but like i say noise seems to have gone for now.

Hi, I also have some noise problems with my g25 (and I just received it...), so i tried to dismantle it but didnt really succeed.
I took out all the screws on the bottom and now the top cover is loose, but the steering axe is prohibiting me now. So i thought lets remove the steering wheel, removed the screws took a look inside there and i see the wires for the wheel buttons (and it does look a little bit scary to disassemble the stuff there).
What do I do now? Do I really have to disconnect everything there, or is there an easier way?

I think i'm quiet lucky, my G25 is much quieter than my mates who got his monday

Quote from mikey_G :

What do I do now? Do I really have to disconnect everything there, or is there an easier way?

Unlike with the DFP, you have to take off the G25's wheel and paddles to open the case.

- Remove the hex screws from the plastic Logitech logo. The wheel should now come off. Pay attention though, there are some small wires still connected.
- Inside the axle you see a small PCB that's fixed with just one screw. Take the screw out and you can remove the PCB. On the backside of the PCB you'll find a cable connected coming out of the axle. Disconnect it from the PCB. You can't plug it in the wrong direction, so no need to take notes. Now you can lay the wheel and PCB aside.
- Inside the axle you'll notice 3 screws. Remove them (long screws, so it may take a while). Once that's done, you can take off the paddles.
- You already took out the screws at the bottom, so you should now be able to take the case off.

Thanks SatCP. btw, I love the g25 stuff your doing in the GoT forum

Thanks for those pictures sidi, Removing the steering wheel is a pretty scary thing to do, especially when it's brandnew

I just finished disassembling the steeringwheel, but everything is solid in there. I think the noise is coming from where the engines get their input (according to my mac translator; the cog wheel), but I can't really get there (I also dont want to).

I guess i just have to use less wheel turn and something to damp out the vibrations my wheel is giving to my wooden desk. So if someone has some advise about which material to use, please do tell

and thanks SatCP and sidi for helping out a nervous n00b

Quote from mikey_G :

I just finished disassembling the steeringwheel, but everything is solid in there. I think the noise is coming from where the engines get their input (according to my mac translator; the cog wheel), but I can't really get there (I also dont want to).

i figured if you dont get to the cogwheel you cant tighten the screws on the motors either ?
anyway if you dare to open the gears plase dont forget to take pictures of it i would be interested in seeing what exactly is wrong with those noisy wheels

ive got a suspicion it the anti backlash thats causing it; maybe too much preload on the cogs springs

Quote from Shotglass :

i figured if you dont get to the cogwheel you cant tighten the screws on the motors either ?
anyway if you dare to open the gears plase dont forget to take pictures of it i would be interested in seeing what exactly is wrong with those noisy wheels

ive got a suspicion it the anti backlash thats causing it; maybe too much preload on the cogs springs

Well, I'm not gonna open that area because it would require that I have to unscrew everything in the steering wheel. Another reason is that I've had this wheel for only 24 hours and it's the first wheel I've ever opened

Maybe SatCP knows the answer, he probably opened every part in the wheel (well, that's the feeling I get if I see his photographs ).

Quote from SatCP :

Unlike with the DFP, you have to take off the G25's wheel and paddles to open the case.

- Remove the hex screws from the plastic Logitech logo. The wheel should now come off. Pay attention though, there are some small wires still connected.
- Inside the axle you see a small PCB that's fixed with just one screw. Take the screw out and you can remove the PCB. On the backside of the PCB you'll find a cable connected coming out of the axle. Disconnect it from the PCB. You can't plug it in the wrong direction, so no need to take notes. Now you can lay the wheel and PCB aside.
- Inside the axle you'll notice 3 screws. Remove them (long screws, so it may take a while). Once that's done, you can take off the paddles.
- You already took out the screws at the bottom, so you should now be able to take the case off.

SatCP, would you mind posting some pictures for these steps? I think it would be of great help to many of us (or those that still thinking whether or not to get the G25) if the cogwheel grinding noise problem arises...

Quote from mikey_G :

Well, I'm not gonna open that area because it would require that I have to unscrew everything in the steering wheel. Another reason is that I've had this wheel for only 24 hours and it's the first wheel I've ever opened
Maybe SatCP knows the answer, he probably opened every part in the wheel (well, that's the feeling I get if I see his photographs ).

I took the gearbox apart - just out of interest - while working on my mod. I didn't look into the noise issue at that time since it didn't bother me. Mine is slightly noisier to the left, but not to an extent that it's annoying.

With so many wheels having this issue, I opened the wheel again last night (if "sidi" doesn't post pictures, I will although mine are from AFTER my mod so some things may not match your wheel's internals). I checked the screws that mount the motors to the metal plate, but they are lock tight. I don't think this has anything to do with the issue. When the metal plate with both motors on is taken off the plastic gearbox, I cannot reproduce the noise - or any difference in turning left or right. Not in the steering axle, not in both motors. So it's probably a combination of both parts that's causing the noise.

Maybe it's the double cogwheel as was mentioned elsewhere on this forum, but I tried changing the preload on it and that didn't affect the issue at all.

So at the moment I'm not sure at all what can be done to fix the noise issue. My wheel doesn't make an excessive amount of noise so it's hard to locate the problem or determine slight improvements.

I'm so glad I waited before buying a G25. Don't think I'll bother now.